Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

the last good Ohio state QB? They’ve basically become the new USC at QB. Surrounded by premier talent in college and then when they get to the NFL they tend to do nothing

So that is supposed to prove Fields is Haskins, k cool. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

If Howie and Doug come back I make take a year off of watching football. I mean it doesn't take a genius to look at Doug and realize he's lost. And Howie hasn't done a very good job at all of bringing in young or any talent lately.

If Howie and Doug come back and Wentz goes to another team, I may follow Wentz. I am so tired of this team being on the QB Carousel 

Wentz should, and probably will, wait this out.  Why give up money?  He has all the leverage and the reality is that the Eagles are more invested in him than all of the coaches combined

It remains to be seen if Lurie is more invested in Carson than Howie, but they probably are at this point.

Money talks.  And there is much more evidence that our coaching and GM sucks than there is that says Carson sucks.

Only a moron would get rid of Wentz and retain these coaches and GM.   Lurie is not a moron, but many fans are

1 minute ago, toughfighter83 said:

Your score is: 49133 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 6: Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 2 Pick 6: Asante Samuel, CB, Florida State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 23 (TENN): Caden Sterns, FS/SS, Texas (A+)
Round 4 Pick 9 (HOU): Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19 (NYG): Damone Clark, ILB/OLB, LSU (A+)
Round 4 Pick 24 (TENN): DaShaun White, ILB/OLB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 5: Caleb Kelly, ILB/OLB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 6: Charleston Rambo, WR, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13 (CHI): Ben Brown, OG, Mississippi (A+)
Round 5 Pick 24 (TENN): Adrian Ealy, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13 (CHI): Brenton Cox, DE/OLB, Florida (A+)
Round 6 Pick 29 (G.B.): Janarius Robinson, DE/OLB, Florida State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 31 (N.O.): TaQuon Graham, DT, Texas (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Stone Forsythe, OT, Florida (A+)

Seems realistic with 35 draft picks. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Prove to me he wont, I'll wait and trust history

Exactly 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

To get the F outta here. I would too honestly.

yup

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ahhhh the famous last words of the infamous RTK. Somewhere he’s smiling with this post lol. 

Well that doesn't put me in good co. LOL

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Some Eagle fans, the Philly Sports media and possibly the Eagles organization,  dont deserve to ever have a Franchise QB. 

but... that hurts the rest of us.   

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

So that is supposed to prove Fields is Haskins, k cool. 
 

 

No wasn’t to prove anything.  It was asking you a question because you seem to be all knowledgeable. So I’m asking you what was the last Ohio State quarterback who made the transition to the pros after playing with Premier talent around him and coming into the NFL being being the same player he was in college. OK cool you can’t do it thanks

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

If Howie and Doug come back and Wentz goes to another team, I may follow Wentz. I am so tired of this team being on the QB Carousel 

Stop it. You’ll just be pissed (just like me).

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1000% !

They committed to Wentz in 2016 when the traded the farm to select him.
They doubled down on that commitment after the 2018 season when they chose to stick with him over Foles.  (Please, let's not get into that debate, its water under the bridge.) 
They then tripled that commitment when they signed him to a mega-QB contract just before the 2019 season.

And he carries them to the playoffs with a 4k yard passing performance with Deontay Burnett, Greg Ward, Robert Davis and Josh Perkins!   He did it without any WR gaining 500 yards.  

So, the team 'rewards' him by drafting a QB in Round 2, rather than putting weapons around him.  I know some are against a RB in Round 2, but how good would it be to have JK Dobbins to lean on with Miles Sanders splitting carries.  Or maybe get an OL in Round 2 that can step in for the aging Jason Peters when you KNOW that he can't finish a season under normal circumstances.  Ezra Cleveland or Damien Lewis would have been a nice selection.  Or maybe a LB that can actually get on the field in Wilson or Gay.  Or a Safety that can help generate turnovers in Chinn.   But, no.  They decided to draft a project QB to be the backup.   And they want to pin the issues on Wentz.... while he suffers behind a makeshift OL, with WRs that are new to the NFL and seem to not care very much, with a coach that refuses to commit to the running game, even though it was the running game that really helped to carry the 2017 team along and made the passing game easier. 

 

Sorry... does not compute.  Maybe Wentz is broken irreparably, but these bozos don't get to make that call and destroy the franchise any further than their current hubris already has. 

The no 500 yard receiver is and always was meaningless, Wentz had Ertz at 900 yards, Goedert at 600 yards and Sanders at 510, Jeffery gained 490 off 10 games.  San Fran reached a Superbowl with Kittle at 1000yds, Deebo Samuel at 800 and Emmanuel Sanders at 500yards, nobody claims that makes Garoppolo a special QB.

By the way Deontay Burnett, Josh Perkins and Davis combined had 12 touches on the season, the notion they were the receiving corps for even a significant portion of a couple of games is nonsense, never mind the season.

Your Jason Peters point is asinine, they spent a first rounder on Dillard to replace Peters in '19 and he got injured, that isn't sabotage of Wentz.

Wentz is having the worst slump of any QB in the Superbowl era, it is historic, it's not realistic to claim that no star QB ever had to tough it out behind a shonky line or had to work with receivers that weren't pro bowlers, and we're supposed to believe this is all because the Eagles took a back up QB in round 2?

At this point it would be so much more worth just to let Wentz continue to Wentz. I guess it’s going to take the remainder of the season for some to notice zero improvement at anything QB related week to week.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

If Howie and Doug come back I make take a year off of watching football. I mean it doesn't take a genius to look at Doug and realize he's lost. And Howie hasn't done a very good job at all of bringing in young or any talent lately.

I'm on record here saying that same thing if Howie returns.   I may stay away until he's back, because I get very little joy watching now.   I might just watch games whenever I need a hit... but likely will watch other teams to not have the pain of watching this disaster every week.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Rivers Hall of Fame Wentz a bust my guy.

Dude sucks was benched the entire football universe agrees with the move at this point.

Rivers shouldn’t be a HOF’er, but probably will just from accumulating stats. Teams have never been good or has he been considered a Top 5 QB ever.

57 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No confusion at all

If Carson Wentz is traded next year, the Eagles have a dead cap hit of 33.8 million, and save 850k against the cap.

Only if you trade him within the first three days of the new league year 

35 minutes ago, RLC said:

Counter-point. Howie is the person most invested in Wentz. Howie has articulated he's too loyal. If even Howie thinks he's done, that should be a signal that a trade should happen.

Howie's only hope is that he can sell that this one event, the apparent total and complete collapse of Wentz, where he somehow completely forgot how to play QB and destroyed the season by himself, was a) totally unforeseeable and b) the primary reason for the collapse of the team.  Furthermore, these other draft picks, draft and FA decisions and veteran contracts are actually all the right decisions, and everything went bad due to injuries and the mysterious, unforeseeable complete and total collapse of Wentz (along with maybe bad coaching thrown in).  If I were the owner I would look at this as someone trying to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge, but Lurie's mind seems to be at least partially warped by his wormtongue assistant.

I don't think the team resurgence will happen with Hurts, because I don't believe in Hurts at all as a starting NFL QB, nor do I believe that the problems are all Wentz.  He was a significant part of the problem, but not the whole story.  He will run around a lot and the team will do better and score more, no doubt, but it's not going to be some miraculous improvement.  I do worry we are now at risk of winning that Cowboy game, which would be harmful and unnecessary.

If Howie told you any player was good, shouldn't you be more likely to question it??  Certainly not agree with it.  If he wants to trade a player, shouldn't we immediately be concerned that this is the wrong move?  Why would we listen to this guy?  The only thing he has proven is he is more wrong than right by a wide margin.  If he tells you the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, you have cause for concern that some kind of cosmic event has occurred.  Set you clock and check on the sunrise.

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1000% !

They committed to Wentz in 2016 when the traded the farm to select him.
They doubled down on that commitment after the 2018 season when they chose to stick with him over Foles.  (Please, let's not get into that debate, its water under the bridge.) 
They then tripled that commitment when they signed him to a mega-QB contract just before the 2019 season.

And he carries them to the playoffs with a 4k yard passing performance with Deontay Burnett, Greg Ward, Robert Davis and Josh Perkins!   He did it without any WR gaining 500 yards.  

So, the team 'rewards' him by drafting a QB in Round 2, rather than putting weapons around him.  I know some are against a RB in Round 2, but how good would it be to have JK Dobbins to lean on with Miles Sanders splitting carries.  Or maybe get an OL in Round 2 that can step in for the aging Jason Peters when you KNOW that he can't finish a season under normal circumstances.  Ezra Cleveland or Damien Lewis would have been a nice selection.  Or maybe a LB that can actually get on the field in Wilson or Gay.  Or a Safety that can help generate turnovers in Chinn.   But, no.  They decided to draft a project QB to be the backup.   And they want to pin the issues on Wentz.... while he suffers behind a makeshift OL, with WRs that are new to the NFL and seem to not care very much, with a coach that refuses to commit to the running game, even though it was the running game that really helped to carry the 2017 team along and made the passing game easier. 

 

Sorry... does not compute.  Maybe Wentz is broken irreparably, but these bozos don't get to make that call and destroy the franchise any further than their current hubris already has. 

As usual.... dead spot on!!!

I'll never forget that pick this year as long as I live.  I remember sitting there thinking it was Chinn, which would have been great, but then thinking maybe Dobbins is just too good to pass up.  Imagine him and sanders with our o-line healthy.  How much easier is our pass game when they have to contend with a run threat like that.  All of those possibilities were there.  

4 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

At this point it would be so much more worth just to let Wentz continue to Wentz. I guess it’s going to take the remainder of the season for some to notice zero improvement at anything QB related week to week.

Wentz after the game: "We lost as a team "

Hurts after the game: "I didn't do enough because we lost."

Those press conferences combined with what we've seen on the field this season, Wentz shouldn't play at all the rest of the season even if Hurts gets injured or plays terribly.

In 2021, ifWentz still continues to be the entitled, arrogant, buck-passing QB he's been for longer than many local folks would like to admit, take the Fing cap hit and dump this goof.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Wentz should, and probably will, wait this out.  Why give up money?  He has all the leverage and the reality is that the Eagles are more invested in him than all of the coaches combined

It remains to be seen if Lurie is more invested in Carson than Howie, but they probably are at this point.

Money talks.  And there is much more evidence that our coaching and GM sucks than there is that says Carson sucks.

Only a moron would get rid of Wentz and retain these coaches and GM.   Lurie is not a moron, but many fans are

If Lurie talks to Wentz and tells him something like :"hey I'm sorry we have failed you, we still believe 100% in you and I will do everything in my power to support you, by, getting a good GM, and Coaching staff, who will do a much better job at giving you better pieces to give you the best opportunity to succeed, we really want you here"

 

Then yeah, he will have every motivation to stay.

 

If that doesn't happen, he is thinking, "why am I wasting my prime years in this horrible organization?, I can go somewhere else where THEY BLIEVE IN ME and WILL SUPPORT ME"

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You're an idiot. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 17 times shame on DawkinsOwnage

Why are you made at me for Wentz sucking for 12 weeks? He did it not me. I didn’t bench him he benched himself.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No wasn’t to prove anything.  It was asking you a question because you seem to be all knowledgeable. So I’m asking you what was the last Ohio State quarterback who made the transition to the pros after playing with Premier talent around him and coming into the NFL being being the same player he was in college. OK cool you can’t do it thanks

I don’t see anything in Justin Fields to make me think he’s even as good as Dwayne Haskins.  He runs a bit better, but not well enough for that to be his calling card in the NFL.  Haskins has a stronger arm, more zip on his throws, and more accurate.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Smart move would of been to fire Doug when he dropped a QB back 50 times in 4 weeks which included...

Hurricane Winds

The best passing defense

The worst rushing defense. 

 

Let’s come out and chuck it all over the field with our tremendous wideouts, the’ll never expect it.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm on record here saying that same thing if Howie returns.   I may stay away until he's back, because I get very little joy watching now.   I might just watch games whenever I need a hit... but likely will watch other teams to not have the pain of watching this disaster every week.

I personally like watching other teams around the league. Gives you perspective on where the eagles are and have been going the last couple years. Watching all 22s from other teams is informative.

I can tell you right now when you watch the Colts there were two games this year they should’ve won if Philip Rivers was vintage Philip Rivers. Jags and browns games. So instead of being the seven seed right now they would be all the way up at the three with a chance to get home-field advantage throughout the playoffs. They need a better QB to get where they want. Where they’re going to be picking they would have to give up major draft capital to get one of the top four quarterbacks in this draft or look elsewhere to trade for a quarterback

54 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not against Hightower as a slot guy either if they evaluate him at that. In the Seahawks game they actually had him in the slot multiple times. They actually had a play later in the 4th quarter where he runs a go route from the slot. Would’ve been a wide open touchdown if not for Matt pryor completely getting abused from the snap.

Not sure i believe Watkins will ever have enough bulk or be able to consistently get off jams on the outside enough to win. I’m willing to try it. Especially once we are mathematically eliminated. At that point just see what he can give you heading into next year. 

Hightower is 6’ 2” and 190.  Watkins is 6’ and 193.   Watkins is plenty big for a Z.  Quez is straight line fast but with a 7.28 three cone and a 4.36 shuttle he doesn’t quite have the quickness I would like to see for the slot.  Hightower is a tad slower straight line but has a faster 7.07 three cone and a 4.21 shuttle. JJAW had a 7.23 three cone and a 4.41 shuttle at his pro day.  Fulgham in contrast had a 6.84 three cone and a 4.22 shuttle. Suggests he and Hightower cut faster than JJAW and Watkins. That is more needed in the slot than outside, IMHO. Reagor, BTW ran a 7.31 three cone and a 4.46 shuttle.   Now that is gym short Olympics but if you run the tape, you see it a bit in their games.  Best ball for Hightower is a leading ball on a slant. Fulgham also excels at cuts.  Feints and burst were Reagor’s forte for separation. Quez relied on his speed.  He may be the least polished of the Eagles WRs.  JJAW on his size. (You see some size in Fulgham’s game at OD but he was raw.)

Problem is that the Press Taylor/current Doug passing attack doesn’t focus on what the WR has a knack for.  They almost expect them to be interchangeable and we saw that with JJAW’s training last year where he was getting all three positions routes.  In contrast, 2017 Doug used Jeffery as an X and some slot.  Agholor played almost exclusively slot and Smith was solely a Y.  I think the injuries in 2018 and 2019 changed that philosophy and has bled into this year.  Doesn’t help that smaller Greg Ward seems to be able to be a bit of a jackknife, although a bit two slow for some of the uses they try for him (encourages them too much without seeming to notice the failures on the sweeps, for example.)  I wonder if too many cooks in the kitchen is hurting them.

I think Press Taylor is a fail.  Scangarello isn’t excelling at red zone.  Not sure what Breiner brings. And MM is a horrible influence.  Lurie pressed Doug on the passing offense with the Groh and Walch moves and the results are an epic failure.   Not sure Doug gets the chance to fix it with a real OC.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t see anything in Justin Fields to make me think he’s even as good as Dwayne Haskins.  He runs a bit better, but not well enough for that to be his calling card in the NFL.  Haskins has a stronger arm, more zip on his throws, and more accurate.

I wasn’t really high on Dwayne Haskins when he came out. I just didn’t see it as much as others. Maybe he goes to another team and they figure it out. I thought he was a better version of cardale jones. But when I watch Ohio State I think it’s very deceiving how great their quarterbacks are. They have great talent around them and it makes it much easier for them to look great.

what I call that is the Matt leinart experience.

Even if Hurts plays every snap during these last 4 games, one of three things will happen:

1). He looks just like Wentz has for the whole season but escapes faster and people will say "Man, this offense sucks”

2) He looks even worse than Wentz and people will say "Man, this offense sucks and Hurts really sucks and great job Howie”

3) Hurts plays a lot better than Wentz, wins some games down the stretch and people will say "Man, Wentz is cooked; just start Hurts in 2021”

I don’t see any scenario that says the Eagles will go ahead and draft a QB