16 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

2nd round pick, $18.75 million per year over 5 years, no trade clause, huge dead money hit if cut before he's into his 30s. If something happens in Arizona and the situation is untenable, he's got them by the balls. Yeah, if he suffered a soft tissue injury here, you'd be coming for heads.

🙄 Was referencing the Slay, Lane/Brooks extensions, Malik Jackson, other older 28+ year old players they've signed/extended recently. But sure...you're right about everything except when you're not and then you just move the goalposts.

The problem with Malik was his contract because he was coming off a bad year. He was not good in 2018. The contract they gave him in the way that it is structured was ridiculous for a guy who was coming off a bad year.  And he got benched for a bunch of JAGS (ha). Look at that contract he should have never received a contract like that. If some other dumb team was gonna give them a contract with how was structured then good for him.

lane and Brooks were fine. I can’t be upset at that. Lane was in his prime and playing at a high level and ditto for Brooks. Probably thought Brooks had 3 good years left and lane 3-4 if not more. Just so Happens Lane Johnson hit 29 years old and can’t stay healthy anymore. I don’t know who could’ve projected that. And ditto for Brooks tearing his Achilles in a work out

granted I didn’t think the Eagles were a true contender. So i was less for making a splash deal unless it really boosted you one way or the other. but if you were of the belief the Eagles were a true contender and that’s what they wanted to sell you on then I’m making a move for DeAndre Hopkins. He is a top three player at his position. Those guys do not become available very often. So if you sold yourself that you’re a contender then you should make that move

14 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

2nd round pick, $18.75 million per year over 5 years, no trade clause, huge dead money hit if cut before he's into his 30s. If something happens in Arizona and the situation is untenable, he's got them by the balls. Yeah, if he suffered a soft tissue injury here, you'd be coming for heads.

🙄 Was referencing the Slay, Lane/Brooks extensions, Malik Jackson, other older 28+ year old players they've signed/extended recently. But sure...you're right about everything except when you're not and then you just move the goalposts.

And again, people complain about contracts when the player isn’t living up to them. People are complaining about Lane/Brooks because they are often injured. People were complaining about Jackson when he was injured but when he came back this year and played well, those complaints tapered off. People complain when the contracts don’t work out, they don’t complain just because it’s a guy whose 28. If Hopkins comes here and plays Hopkins, no ones complaining. I don’t know what point you are trying to make. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really hope it's not that last part, but I'm sure it is.

First of all, Murray and Jackson are vastly, vastly superior runners to Hurts.  They can flat out fly with the best of WRs.  Hurts is merely a mobile QB who ran for a ton of yards in college.  

Second, none of that matters anyway.  It's a gimmick that fails every time.  

you can win games in the regular season playing that style. You probably can win a lot of games in the regular season playing that style. But when you get to the playoffs you are going to run into a team that has Patrick Mahomes and as soon as they start throwing the ball and put it up points you gonna have to score a point for point. Unless their defense tails off you’re gonna have trouble doing that with quarterbacks that can’t throw the ball good enough and forces you to throw. 

nothing against Jalen hurts but I’m guessing that’s what the Saints game plans gonna be this weekend. If I’m the saints I gear up knowing he’s going to take off and knowing they’re probably gonna try to run the ball Miles Sanders as he’s a rookie quarterback making his first ever start. If I’m the Saints I say if hurts can beat us in our man-to-man coverage  then I tip my cap to him. But I’m betting at this stage of his career he’s not good enough

Apparently we opened our sister company, the TE Factory

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Apparently we opened our sister company, the TE Factory

Lmao. 

you know what this directly stems from? watching the Washington football team have Logan Thomas out there against the Steelers. This happened literally after Logan Thomas played great against the Steelers. I would bet a ton of money that’s why they brought him in for a workout. 

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Apparently we opened our sister company, the TE Factory

The Factory is expanding its product line. Former QBs will be converted to other positions.  We will soon sign a former QB to replace Jake Elliott.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And again, people complain about contracts when the player isn’t living up to them. People are complaining about Lane/Brooks because they are often injured. People were complaining about Jackson when he was injured but when he came back this year and played well, those complaints tapered off. People complain when the contracts don’t work out, they don’t complain just because it’s a guy whose 28. I don’t know what point you are trying to make. 

So you think Hopkins' production in Arizona would have just copied and pasted to Philly, right? Are you going to follow up with this post come December 2022 when the team is still trapped in that contract and Hopkins happens to be struggling? Of course not, you'll pretend you knew it all along or play dumb like you're doing now.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Would you rather have Hopkins and everything that comes with him or Hurts? 

Neither were good options given the full context of each move. I wanted Kristian Fulton there.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

So you think Hopkins' production in Arizona would have just copied and pasted to Philly, right? Are you going to follow up with this post come December 2022 when the team is still trapped in that contract and Hopkins happens to be struggling? Of course not, you'll pretend you knew it all along or play dumb like you're doing now.

Neither were good options given the full context of each move. I wanted Kristian Fulton there.

If he plays good no one complains. If he plays bad or is always injured, people complain. Again I have no idea what your point actually is. 
 

If the cost was comparable to what Arizona gave up I would have took the risk. And it would have been a better use of assets than Hurts even if the risk factor is tenfold.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he plays good no one complains. If he plays bad or is always injured, people complain. Again I have no idea what your point actually is. 
 

If the cost was comparable to what Arizona gave up I would have took the risk. And it would have been a better use of assets than Hurts even if the risk factor is tenfold.

How i feel about it all 

There are several parallel timelines for various key aspects of the franchise that have gone bad over the last 4 years.  I want to do a root cause analysis of each.  The first...Carson Wentz' mechanics.

2016: Wentz had a solid, standard rookie year for a franchise level draft pick.  He flashed big talent, a big arm, and the right stuff between the ears.  His biggest flaw would definitely be his mechanics.  He had a long, loopy delivery...like a pitcher or outfielder.  QBs need to be more like a catcher with a rapid hand raise and release.

2017 offseason:  2017: Carson Wentz went to a QB guru and the Eagles supposedly aren't thrilled  Well, now that's interesting in hindsight.

2017: The dip is gone, footwork is better, his season is exceptional.

2018:  Good year, not MVP quality.  The looping delivery has returned.  Did Wentz exclusively spend his 2018 offseason rehabbing his knee?  He was healthy enough to throw passes early in the offseason.  Why was no one monitoring this?

2019: Inconsistent year, inconsistent mechanics with the dip.

2020: Mechanics and footwork fall apart.

Who really worked with Wentz in 2017 to clean up his mechanics?  Did he ever work with that person again?  Some people cannot fix mechanical flaws, even world class athletes....but Wentz DID clean this up once.  Why was this allowed to lapse back into his rookie form after 2017?

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

While I disagree with his opinion, you can not say an opinion is wrong.

Wrong

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he plays good no one complains. If he plays bad or is always injured, people complain. Again I have no idea what your point actually is. 
 

If the cost was comparable to what Arizona gave up I would have took the risk. And it would have been a better use of assets than Hurts even if the risk factor is tenfold.

Your entire argument boils down to hindsight bias. Got it.

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Your entire argument boils down to hindsight bias. Got it.

What the f else do you think "I would have rather traded for Hopkins than use the second round pick on Hurts" could possibly be? 
 

The whole conversation you jumped into was based on hindsight and that the second round pick couldn’t have been used to help the offense based on players taken after Hurts.

4 hours ago, Br3 said:

It’s bs because you guys say it is? 

 

2 hours ago, Br3 said:

I remember saying imo, it may have been my post after that. Either way who cares? If you didn’t know it was my opinion in that post then you know now because I’ve made it clear several times since then. I’m not sure why you felt the need to go back 20 pages to find my post and play EMB lawyer but good on you brother. 

Doesn't seem like you are saying it's your opinion here. Plus if you want i can dig up the one where you claimed to read about it.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What the f else do you think "I would have rather traded for Hopkins than use the second round pick on Hurts" could possibly be? 
 

The whole conversation you jumped into was based on hindsight and that the second round pick couldn’t have been used to help the offense based on players taken after Hurts.

Your straw man abilities are on a different level. Respect.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Your straw man abilities are on a different level.

And your reading comprehension is in the basement. I’m also pretty sure you have no idea what a straw man is. 

Mine wasn’t hindsight i said when Hopkins got traded and there was a rumor we talked to texans i would’ve traded for Hopkins over slay. So that’s not hindsight.

I also for the record every day or just about said sign Robby Anderson. 

32 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

The Factory is expanding its product line. Former QBs will be converted to other positions.  We will soon sign a former QB to replace Jake Elliott.

I hear Carson Wentz isn’t busy on Sunday...

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And your reading comprehension is in the basement. I’m also pretty sure you have no idea what a straw man is. 

Lol you're always right. Have a nice day.

The explanation for Hurts is simple, you need two QBs in today's NFL, just look at the NFC East this season.

And it's not as simple as just picking up a veteran, look at Foles' struggles since he left, QBR 35.5, 43.9.

Look at Taysom Hill (who didn't even play until he was 28!), two good games against the Falcons, laid an egg against Denver. Who knows what we'll see this Sunday.

And you never know with QBs, look at Tannehill, QBR 46.3, 49.4, injured, 31.0, then to Tenn, 67.2, 76.9.

I don't think they saw Hurts as the next Jackson or Murray, rather, they saw a kid who handled pressure and tough situations (getting benched at Alabama) well, who wouldn't be intimidated if he had to come off the bench and start (played ultimate pressure games in college), and had the athleticism (doesn't have their speed but elusive with a lot more power as a runner) to be effective if you could coach him up. At #59, that's an attractive package v your usual NFL retread QB as a backup.

There are few players at #59 who are going to make or break a franchise as a rookie, most improvements in teams come from 2nd and 3rd year players stepping up or SFAs who come out of nowhere and surprise. So the idea that picking someone else than Hurts would have had a big impact on this season is pretty much fantastical thinking.

As Joe Gibbs once said, "the most important player on your team is the quarterback, the second most important player is the backup quarterback."

The Athletic’s Zach Berman said that the Eagles’ rationale in drafting Hurts was that Wentz could get hurt, and they’d have a solid backup, or that he’d play well and they’d never call on Hurts. They never, Berman said, considered "Door no. 3”—Wentz is benched for performance issues.

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/12/9/22164730/carson-wentz-jalen-hurts-doug-pederson-quarterback-problem

Hurts is going to play poorly because the team is bad. His next two opponents are above-average pass defenses. He gets to face the Saints (top 3 defense) and the Cardinals (13th in DVOA). Ertz is not 100%. The OL has Kelce with one arm (look at his lack of power) and 2 bad options on the right-side. We're playing Alshon Jeffrey! Oh, and Doug is calling weird plays.

If Hurts looks AVERAGE, as a rookie, then we may legitimately have a starter given the circumstances. 

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lmao. 

you know what this directly stems from? watching the Washington football team have Logan Thomas out there against the Steelers. This happened literally after Logan Thomas played great against the Steelers. I would bet a ton of money that’s why they brought him in for a workout. 

 

 

What this stems from is QBs are often among the best athletes on their college teams, especially if they're running an option or spread offense where they run a lot - see Ward.

So a lot are converted to different positions b/c they lack the arm strength and/or vision to play pro QB.

Bill Bradley became an allpro safety, Hines Ward a HOF WR.

You try a QB at TE if he's 6'5 240 and runs 4.7, at WR if he's 6'1 200 and runs 4.5

It's not rocket science.

 

from the article. Frightening and made me laugh

The Eagles were facing a roster reckoning even if Wentz and the offense had functioned at a high level this season, and even if the salary cap were expected to expand instead of contract. A cap manager from another team struggled to find enough players to release for Philly to comply with the projected $175 million cap for next season.

"Holy crap,” the cap manager said at one point.

"They are screwed in general,” he said a few moments later.

If the salary cap contracts due to COVID, look for the league to provide a one year "amnesty," allowing teams to dump bad contracts up to a certain point.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What this stems from is QBs are often among the best athletes on their college teams, especially if they're running an option or spread offense where they run a lot - see Ward.

So a lot are converted to different positions b/c they lack the arm strength and/or vision to play pro QB.

Bill Bradley became an allpro safety, Hines Ward a HOF WR.

You try a QB at TE if he's 6'5 240 and runs 4.7, at WR if he's 6'1 200 and runs 4.5

It's not rocket science.

Wentz to TE it is👍