3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What this stems from is QBs are often among the best athletes on their college teams, especially if they're running an option or spread offense where they run a lot - see Ward.

So a lot are converted to different positions b/c they lack the arm strength and/or vision to play pro QB.

Bill Bradley became an allpro safety, Hines Ward a HOF WR.

You try a QB at TE if he's 6'5 240 and runs 4.7, at WR if he's 6'1 200 and runs 4.5

It's not rocket science.

I get that and agree with that. no crap. But the eagles were not clearly doing this prior to that game. I don’t think randomly they were like hey let’s work this QB and convert him to tight end. They could’ve done this all year and didn’t until today. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get that and agree with that. no crap. But the eagles were not clearly doing this prior to that game. I don’t think randomly they were like hey let’s work this QB and convert him to tight end. They could’ve done this all year and didn’t until today. 

They bring in players each week to work out, as well as scouting other team's PS.

Butler was drafted in the 4th rd as a WR, Eagles are playing him at TE on the practice squad.

I think you're reading too much into this, rather, they know Ertz is headed out of town and are looking for H-back candidates that might replace him.

Just now, austinfan said:

They bring in players each week to work out, as well as scouting other team's PS.

Butler was drafted in the 4th rd as a WR, Eagles are playing him at TE on the practice squad.

I think you're reading too much into this, rather, they know Ertz is headed out of town and are looking for H-back candidates that might replace him.

I get that. And if they were really ultra concerned with ertz was leaving they wouldn’t have kept jeffery on Pup to keep the kid who’s currently on the roster in Indy (Noah togai). Who’s better than both of these guys imo. 

additionally doesn’t take away from the fact Logan Thomas went off and is a former QB. and then they decided to bring this kid in for a workout when he was available all year. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. 

Drafting Hurts was a massive mistake. It's all or nothing at the QB position. You were all in with Wentz. If you wanted to maximize your opportunity to win a Super Bowl, it's to maximize the talent around your starting QB

Let's say you trade Wentz, and Hurts is an average starter, which in all likelihood is the probability of what a 2nd round QB ends up becoming. Guess where you're at? You're in no man's land again, with no chance to really compete for a Super Bowl 

 

Howie has been absolute trash. Doug has been trash. Almost every player has been trash. I'm ready for all of them to go

By the way, those who think Murray and Jackson are a quantum jump above Hurts:

 

 

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Drafting Hurts was a massive mistake. It's all or nothing at the QB position. You were all in with Wentz. If you wanted to maximize your opportunity to win a Super Bowl, it's to maximize the talent around your starting QB

Let's say you trade Wentz, and Hurts is an average starter, which in all likelihood is the probability of what a 2nd round QB ends up becoming. Guess where you're at? You're in no man's land again, with no chance to really compete for a Super Bowl 

 

Howie has been absolute trash. Doug has been trash. Almost every player has been trash. I'm ready for all of them to go

It's all or nothing if you have a HOF QB, because you're depending on them to carry the team and if they go down, season over. Peyton Manning, Brady in his prime, Rodgers.

However, the gap between a top starter and a top backup isn't as big, whereas the gap between a top starter and a mediocre backup is huge, when you look at someone like Sudfeld, if you have to play him, season over. You can see this in Brees to Hill, or even Wentz to Foles (in Philly, the only place he's been successful).

Nor has anyone shown how the rookie they would have taken instead of Hurtz would have made a rat's ass difference this season. Rookies in general are overrated by fans, outside the top twenty, maybe one in twenty draft picks have any sort of impact as rookies (no, the #4 WR or #3 RB or 5th LB do not have a significant impact).

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's all or nothing if you have a HOF QB, because you're depending on them to carry the team and if they go down, season over. Peyton Manning, Brady in his prime, Rodgers.

However, the gap between a top starter and a top backup isn't as big, whereas the gap between a top starter and a mediocre backup is huge, when you look at someone like Sudfeld, if you have to play him, season over. You can see this in Brees to Hill, or even Wentz to Foles (in Philly, the only place he's been successful).

Nor has anyone shown how the rookie they would have taken instead of Hurtz would have made a rat's ass difference this season. Rookies in general are overrated by fans, outside the top twenty, maybe one in twenty draft picks have any sort of impact as rookies (no, the #4 WR or #3 RB or 5th LB do not have a significant impact).

You’re defending this pick as if it were your idea to take a meh QB prospect in round 2.

If this is you, Howie, please resign. 

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I'm curious if the geniuses in the FO who wanted Hurts are trying to mold the offense in the image of AZ/Baltimore with Murray/Jackson or if they think he can be Russell Wilson.  It's an enormously important distinction.

I suspect that these arseclowns thought Jackson/Murray was the new wave.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If Lurie entrusts the rebuild to Howie, I'm curious to see how much of the fan ire kicks up from Howie and settles on Lurie, much as the Klentak situation has done to Middleton.  

My ire goes straight to Lurie if Howie is back, because only Lurie has the power to fire him.  And if he doesn't get fired, I know who to blame.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re defending this pick as if it were your idea to take a meh QB prospect in round 2.

If this is you, Howie, please resign. 

 

If Hurts is average, then Howie deserves to be fired. If he's Russell Wilson, and this offense starts to roll with him out there, then he doesn't. It all comes down to how Hurts does on the field, and we will get an answer soon enough.

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's all or nothing if you have a HOF QB, because you're depending on them to carry the team and if they go down, season over. Peyton Manning, Brady in his prime, Rodgers.

However, the gap between a top starter and a top backup isn't as big, whereas the gap between a top starter and a mediocre backup is huge, when you look at someone like Sudfeld, if you have to play him, season over. You can see this in Brees to Hill, or even Wentz to Foles (in Philly, the only place he's been successful).

Nor has anyone shown how the rookie they would have taken instead of Hurtz would have made a rat's ass difference this season. Rookies in general are overrated by fans, outside the top twenty, maybe one in twenty draft picks have any sort of impact as rookies (no, the #4 WR or #3 RB or 5th LB do not have a significant impact).

I wanted Metcalf. I wanted Mims in the 2nd, I was cool with trading Ertz before the draft in return for a 2nd which would have absolutely been reasonable at the time, to make Justin Jefferson a perfect fit in this offense running much more 11 personnel  

None of this is revisionist history. These are all moves and decisions heavily discussed prior to each of these respective drafts. Chinn was another one here that most were on board with

This team could have very realistically, if the right moves were made, have DK Metcalf, Justin Jefferson, Jeremy Chinn, ANOTHER mid 2020 2nd round pick from trading Ertz, AND have Ertz' contract off the books, which, for a team currently 74 million over the cap, would have been HUGE.

Howie restructured Alshon AFTER taking JJAW instead, and counted on both those cucks. These are franchise changing moves, that he screwed up beyond belief.

It's not always easy to hit on draft picks, but we have been hitting on close to none, and these recent few drafts have killed us

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Apparently we opened our sister company, the TE Factory

Put him in the game on Sunday and throw him a fade route.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Put him in the game on Sunday and throw him a fade route.  

Taysom Hill effect

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The explanation for Hurts is simple, you need two QBs in today's NFL, just look at the NFC East this season.

And it's not as simple as just picking up a veteran, look at Foles' struggles since he left, QBR 35.5, 43.9.

Look at Taysom Hill (who didn't even play until he was 28!), two good games against the Falcons, laid an egg against Denver. Who knows what we'll see this Sunday.

And you never know with QBs, look at Tannehill, QBR 46.3, 49.4, injured, 31.0, then to Tenn, 67.2, 76.9.

I don't think they saw Hurts as the next Jackson or Murray, rather, they saw a kid who handled pressure and tough situations (getting benched at Alabama) well, who wouldn't be intimidated if he had to come off the bench and start (played ultimate pressure games in college), and had the athleticism (doesn't have their speed but elusive with a lot more power as a runner) to be effective if you could coach him up. At #59, that's an attractive package v your usual NFL retread QB as a backup.

There are few players at #59 who are going to make or break a franchise as a rookie, most improvements in teams come from 2nd and 3rd year players stepping up or SFAs who come out of nowhere and surprise. So the idea that picking someone else than Hurts would have had a big impact on this season is pretty much fantastical thinking.

As Joe Gibbs once said, "the most important player on your team is the quarterback, the second most important player is the backup quarterback."

The Athletic’s Zach Berman said that the Eagles’ rationale in drafting Hurts was that Wentz could get hurt, and they’d have a solid backup, or that he’d play well and they’d never call on Hurts. They never, Berman said, considered "Door no. 3”—Wentz is benched for performance issues.

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/12/9/22164730/carson-wentz-jalen-hurts-doug-pederson-quarterback-problem

Afan, I appreciate your effort. I really do.

But the pick sucked.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mine wasn’t hindsight i said when Hopkins got traded and there was a rumor we talked to texans i would’ve traded for Hopkins over slay. So that’s not hindsight.

I also for the record every day or just about said sign Robby Anderson. 

You mean get your franchise QB a quality NFL capable WR to throw to?   

 

We don't do that around here.   We find 32+ year old broken down WRs and raw rookies and expect it to work.   Sure, Wentz has his own share of problems, and likely a bit of hubris himself, but if you dealt with delusional people on a daily basis you would too.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

from the article. Frightening and made me laugh

The Eagles were facing a roster reckoning even if Wentz and the offense had functioned at a high level this season, and even if the salary cap were expected to expand instead of contract. A cap manager from another team struggled to find enough players to release for Philly to comply with the projected $175 million cap for next season.

"Holy crap,” the cap manager said at one point.

"They are screwed in general,” he said a few moments later.

Been saying that for a while now.    Howie was a cap genius?   Nah... he just kept kicking the can down the line... and reckoning day is coming.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Wentz to TE it is👍

Frankly, if it got him on the field, I bet Wentz would do it.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Been saying that for a while now.    Howie was a cap genius?   Nah... he just kept kicking the can down the line... and reckoning day is coming.

Frankly, if it got him on the field, I bet Wentz would do it.

Highest paid TE in the league, not sure he can in line block  neither can Ertz,but we've seen Wentz  block out wide😉

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Highest paid TE in the league, not sure he can in line block  neither can Ertz,but we've seen Wentz  block out wide😉

Sure... maybe he's more of an H-back than a TE.

21 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

If Hurts is average, then Howie deserves to be fired. If he's Russell Wilson, and this offense starts to roll with him out there, then he doesn't. It all comes down to how Hurts does on the field, and we will get an answer soon enough.

You’re doing the same level of ignoring as posters are doing with Wentz.  
 

How is Hurts supposed to be any better than average when everyone else on the field is way below average?

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Highest paid TE in the league, not sure he can in line block  neither can Ertz,but we've seen Wentz  block out wide😉

No, he is the highest paid backup QB in the league.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure... maybe he's more of an H-back than a TE.

Maybe put Wentz in the game on Sunday and throw him a fade, he has way more game action than butler did.

I can't remember a more mind boggling play call. Not so much the call, a fade in the end zone to a tall target is a routine nfl play, that it was Butler's first game and first ever target after being on the team for about a week pretty much sums up the idiotic decisions this year.

Predictably butler looked like he had no idea what he was doing and predictably there was zero chemistry between him and Wentz the throw, it's almost as if they hadn't practiced that okay together more than once,would have helped if butler jumped too but I digress...☹️

Just now, Utebird said:

Maybe put Wentz in the game on Sunday and throw him a fade, he has way more game action than butler did.

I can't remember a more mind boggling play call. Not so much the call, a fade in the end zone to a tall target is a routine nfl play, that it was Butler's first game and first ever target after being on the team for about a week pretty much sums up the idiotic decisions this year.

Predictably butler looked like he had no idea what he was doing and predictably there was zero chemistry between him and Wentzon the throw, it's almost as if they hadn't practiced that okay together more than once,would have helped if butler jumped too but I digress...☹️

Yup... and a fade pattern needs to be practiced with the receivers and QB... it doesn't 'just happen'.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup... and a fade pattern needs to be practiced with the receivers and QB... it doesn't 'just happen'.

Yup.

We also threw a fade pass on 4th and 1 to Hakeem Butler in a prime-time game this year. So the coaches clearly don't care. 

16 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Maybe put Wentz in the game on Sunday and throw him a fade, he has way more game action than butler did.

I can't remember a more mind boggling play call. Not so much the call, a fade in the end zone to a tall target is a routine nfl play, that it was Butler's first game and first ever target after being on the team for about a week pretty much sums up the idiotic decisions this year.

Predictably butler looked like he had no idea what he was doing and predictably there was zero chemistry between him and Wentz the throw, it's almost as if they hadn't practiced that okay together more than once,would have helped if butler jumped too but I digress...☹️

He literally lined up on the wrong side of the field. And that was your 4th and goal play call. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

We also threw a fade pass on 4th and 1 to Hakeem Butler in a prime-time game this year. So the coaches clearly don't care. 

That was what I was alluding to with the new "TE" they just signed to the PS.  He should play and get a fade route on Sunday.