3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I am more interested in his son's take on Wentz, Doug and the FO.

14 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Ill find the article. Bleeding green? maybe. But essentially they went through the 2nd half of the browns game, and with research, Carson audibling into runs, and audlbling out of runs, they said doug call 3... THREE runs. FYI it was 40MPH winds and they were on pace for 230 rushing yards. 

2 out of maybe 100 KILL plays Carson's done this year have turned into passes.

9 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Neither here nor there, but I’m not at all looking forward to watching Hurts play. 

I hate that he’s starting. I hate that he’s even on the team. 

 

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

This is the same place I am in.  

 

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just don't hate the kid, it's not his fault Howie and Doug are idiots.

Yup, Hurts is a good kid too.  He's being put into a bad situation.  I honestly wish have Howie sign himself and Doug to the roster, make Doug start at QB and...IDK put Howie at DT and have them burn in the bed they made.  

6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thankfully Douglas is gone

Exactly.  Now Howie has no one to hide behind.  This is on him.  Bad contracts? Check.  Bad drafting? Check.

 

Good luck, Howie.  Thanks for 2017, but its over now.

6 hours ago, Br3 said:

Lol no one cares at this point but you so do whatever makes you happy. 

I think I will.

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

F both of them.

7 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Regarding the Jenkins comments, if Howie didn’t crap the bed and attach himself to older vets past their prime like Alshon, Peters, Sproles, and DeSean, they probably keep Jenkins. He was snake-bitten by those guys. I don’t think Jenkins would have made a difference for the team this year regarding their record since this offense is abysmal, but he was probably the one guy in that group of older vets that could have still contributed. 

Jenkins is old, he also had a contract but demanded more money, then went to n.o. for about the same money. Sorry but that's all on him. I don't care that he's gone. But I agree with you that Alshon, and Peters should also be gone.

7 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is an incredible comment. 
 

 

Posted earlier

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exactly.  Now Howie has no one to hide behind.  This is on him.  Bad contracts? Check.  Bad drafting? Check.

 

Good luck, Howie.  Thanks for 2017, but its over now.

If it’s true that Howie overruled his scouts on Jefferson vs Reagor, how does Lurie have any confidence in his ability to draft or that he’s the guy to turn this around?

I loved Reagor and didn’t like Jefferson here, but I’m just a dude on a message board. Watching Jefferson kill it in Minnesota while Reagor runs soft, terrible routes and screwing up plays has to be maddening for Lurie. 

I’m sure he has that in his copious notes. 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If it’s true that Howie overruled his scouts on Jefferson vs Reagor, how does Lurie have any confidence in his ability to draft or that he’s the guy to turn this around?

I loved Reagor and didn’t like Jefferson here, but I’m just a dude on a message board. Watching Jefferson kill it in Minnesota while Reagor runs soft, terrible routes and screwing up plays has to be maddening for Lurie. 

I’m sure he has that in his copious notes. 

Well, you know how I felt about Jefferson.  You and I had many a conversation about him.

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

This should have always been the plan.  Wentz has always been at his best with a workload of 30 throws, give or take.  Doug’s fatal flaw has been asking Wentz to carry the entire offense with his right arm.  
 

There are very few NFL QBs who achieve regular success throwing the ball 40+ times.  Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Brady — maybe Deshaun Watson; although the Texans have never won anything.  Even Sean McVay and Jared Goff will hit a brick wall unless they find a reliable running game.  Same is being said right now about the Steelers.

Especially without a scheme or the talent to support it.

if Hurts finds sustained success with this offense, it will either be because Doug supports him differently, or because he does what he did in college - fast read and if he doesn’t see anything open, take off. 

15 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yup Kelces words speak volumes.

As for how Wentz and Cox are friends last I heard they are both avid hunters and go out and shoot stuff together.

Maybe they can take Howie with them...

Busey is in

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, you know how I felt about Jefferson.  You and I had many a conversation about him.

Right, but those thoughts don’t mean anything. How can Lurie look at that choice and how he allegedly went against his scouts and not see Howie as a major liability? He has three years now of poor choices. 

Now this isn’t to say Reagor is a bust or can’t be a good player, but I’m comfortable in saying there is essentially no chance he becomes as good as Jefferson has shown this year. 

It’s a bad miss by Howie. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

F both of them.

Exactly.  This is the precise reason I didn't want Jenkins back and I'm glad he's gone.  Nothing and I mean nothing is ever good enough for him.  I think he gets off on being a whiny B.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Right, but those thoughts don’t mean anything. How can Lurie look at that choice and how he allegedly went against his scouts and not see Howie as a major liability? He has three years now of poor choices. 

Now this isn’t to say Reagor is a bust or can’t be a good player, but I’m comfortable in saying there is essentially no chance he becomes as good as Jefferson has shown this year. 

It’s a bad miss by Howie. 

No, I agree 100%.  Like you, I'm just a schmuck on a MB.  Howie is the one charged with the responsibility.  So, if Howie gets credit for 2017, he also takes the blame for 2020.  

 

Reagor is being used completely wrong, but is also showing a laissez-faire attitude that is most unbecoming.   I posted in the blog during the 2nd half of the Packers games a quote from Thomas Paine's The American Crisis.   It is appropriate for the Eagles as well.  We'll see who has the fire in their belly to continue to fight and who is willing to just roll over.   The new coaching staff will be very interested in that as well.  These guys will be playing for their futures on this team, and for some of them, in the league.

Not going to lie I kind of wanted to see how Carson would play after being benched but at the same time know his issues won't be magically fixed by being pulled. Regardless what he says to the media, it's clear his trust in the guys on the feild is completely shot.

Being an Eagles fan first and foremost I want to see Hurts play well but don't want the draft position messed up or see a way for Howie to weasel a way to keeping his job. 

7 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think the best course of action with the team, particularly Carson Wentz, going forward is similar to what Kevin Stefanski and the Browns have done with Baker Mayfield. Build a strong running game around Carson to take as much of the pressure off him as possible. Let's try to get him back on track. Hopefully this will reset his panicked brain a bit and slow everything down again. Sort of like one step back in order to start taking steps forward.

If a team does offer a 1st or high 2nd in a trade for Wentz, I would certainly consider that as well. I also wonder if Carson even wants to be here going forward.

Carson has the talent, the right attitude, the cerebral mindset a top QB needs. He's just taken a beating and has had very little help the last 3 years.

I'm not confident he will become the QB we need him to be again, but we should try asking a little less of him in 2021 and then begin taking the training wheels off slowly if all goes well.

We might as well try because he's going to cost us a good chunk of cap the next two years regardless.

which is why Doug has to go - this west coast scheme is a bad fit for him anymore

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

which is why Doug has to go - this west coast scheme is a bad fit for him anymore

This is one of many reasons why Doug has to go and take Howie with him.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Right, but those thoughts don’t mean anything. How can Lurie look at that choice and how he allegedly went against his scouts and not see Howie as a major liability? He has three years now of poor choices. 

Now this isn’t to say Reagor is a bust or can’t be a good player, but I’m comfortable in saying there is essentially no chance he becomes as good as Jefferson has shown this year. 

Disagree with this take. Jordan Matthews was better than Davante Adams in year 1. Sammy Watkins looked way better than Allen Robinson. WRs grow differently.

Now, drafting Reagor without a plan by the coaches is malpractice. Jefferson was an easy evaluation as a slot WR. You could have plugged him into the Agholor role without changing the offense. You couldn't just plug Reagor into the DSJ/T.Smith role. He was a 21 year old out of the Big12. He needed some time to learn how to beat press and how to maximize his athleticism. 

If the coaches couldn't do that, we shouldn't have drafted him. So I'm still high on Reagor, because you can't teach his speed/acceleration, he needs to be on a staff that knows how to use him. 

Peters was gone, they brought him back after Brooks got injured, then Dillard.

Jeffrey is the head scratcher, and my suspicion that was Peddy begging for him.

Malik was the other mistake, but Hargrave is turning out to be a smart move, top pass rushing DTs are worth their weight in gold. With the short passing game in today's NFL, DTs who can get penetration have more value than DEs. A reasonable contract for his peak seasons.

The two bad draft picks in five years were Jones (an acknowledged gamble) and JJAW. Metcalf was probably a medical staff issue, since other teams also passed, not a talent issue.

He traded up for Mailata, so that was more than luck, they targeted him.

The primary reason this season imploded was the OL, the second was the injuries to DeSean and Ertz, similar to 2005 and 2012.

Whomever is GM next year, the strategy will be the same, dump veteran contracts, accumulate draft picks and audition young players.

 

 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Whomever is GM next year, the strategy will be the same, dump veteran contracts, accumulate draft picks and audition young players.

Howie is impatient and Lurie is now 69 years old. I'm very skeptical they're open to tanking/punting on 2021.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Right, but those thoughts don’t mean anything. How can Lurie look at that choice and how he allegedly went against his scouts and not see Howie as a major liability? He has three years now of poor choices. 

Now this isn’t to say Reagor is a bust or can’t be a good player, but I’m comfortable in saying there is essentially no chance he becomes as good as Jefferson has shown this year. 

It’s a bad miss by Howie. 

Well, we know from past experience that Lurie monitors everything, he's not a hands on micro-manager, but he's in the loop.

So if Howie stays, it's because Lurie allowed Pederson to influence some bad decisions (Jeffrey extension, etc.), if it's Howie's fault, Lurie will move on.

Which is why I take all the rumors with a bag of salt, Lurie's decisions will tell us more than speculation.

For example, does anyone think Howie traded for Tate or Avery without Pederson and Schwartz signing off, if not actively lobbying for those moves - in season trades are more about filling perceived needs than a GM just making a trade on a whim. Was Reagor over Jefferson Howie trying to swing for a HR or his HC pushing for a deep threat over a reliable possession receiver? Scouts may not be aware of the behind the scenes lobbying that led to some of these decisions. So be wary of rumors, often that's a scout who feels aggrieved but doesn't have the inside scoop how decisions were made.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Howie is impatient and Lurie is now 69 years old. I'm very skeptical they're open to tanking/punting on 2021.

They have no choice, they have to clear out cap room.

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think the best course of action with the team, particularly Carson Wentz, going forward is similar to what Kevin Stefanski and the Browns have done with Baker Mayfield. Build a strong running game around Carson to take as much of the pressure off him as possible. Let's try to get him back on track. Hopefully this will reset his panicked brain a bit and slow everything down again. Sort of like one step back in order to start taking steps forward.

If a team does offer a 1st or high 2nd in a trade for Wentz, I would certainly consider that as well. I also wonder if Carson even wants to be here going forward.

Carson has the talent, the right attitude, the cerebral mindset a top QB needs. He's just taken a beating and has had very little help the last 3 years.

I'm not confident he will become the QB we need him to be again, but we should try asking a little less of him in 2021 and then begin taking the training wheels off slowly if all goes well.

We might as well try because he's going to cost us a good chunk of cap the next two years regardless.

I am inclined to agree but Carson needs to be fixed.  His deep ball accuracy is an issue.  I mean even when he makes a throw, like the one to Goeddert on Sunday it feels like he either can't or won't but the right touch on the throw.  I don't think it is arm strength.  I think there is something very off in his coordination on those throws.  It seems like he is intentionally floating them to make them easier balls to catch and he is afraid of over throwing the receiver.  He needs a QB coach that can get into his head in these throws. 

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

One good thing about him was he didn't get injured. His age caught up with him. He also had to deal with no CBs. He wasn't worth the new contract. No regrets even with how he's playing with Saints

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

For example, does anyone think Howie traded for Tate or Avery without Pederson and Schwartz signing off

Yes

 

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

Disagree with this take. Jordan Matthews was better than Davante Adams in year 1. Sammy Watkins looked way better than Allen Robinson. WRs grow differently.

Now, drafting Reagor without a plan by the coaches is malpractice. Jefferson was an easy evaluation as a slot WR. You could have plugged him into the Agholor role without changing the offense. You couldn't just plug Reagor into the DSJ/T.Smith role. He was a 21 year old out of the Big12. He needed some time to learn how to beat press and how to maximize his athleticism. 

If the coaches couldn't do that, we shouldn't have drafted him. So I'm still high on Reagor, because you can't teach his speed/acceleration, he needs to be on a staff that knows how to use him. 

I am a little down on Reagor because we are seeing the same laziness and (seemingly) little care attitude that was a knock on him at TCU.  And if a raw athlete is lazy, and is willing to rely purely on his athleticism, then he's not going to grow and develop very far from his current level.  That could change, but right now there's not been much accountability amongst these coaches on players giving poor effort, at least not tangibly enough to have it translate to the field.  If Reagor wants to be great, he has a lot of the tools to do it.  But, he has to want it and has to work for it.   We'll see if he's willing to do that.   We already know that Jefferson has done the hard work to learn the nuances of route running.  

 

But, your last line is the biggest criticism of both the GM and the HC... there's just no communication and discussion of how the coaches can use the players that they bring in.  Its been asked frequently... "What's this team's identity?"   The answer is, they don't really have one.  I suppose one identity is: They want to get after the QB with just 4 down lineman.  But, beyond that, not much.   Offensively, they are much closer right now to the Buddy Ryan philsophy of "Randall will go out and make 3 big plays, and we'll win the game" than we are the 2017 version of this team, where they were a team that could pound the football on you, could hit you with a screen pass for chunk yards and if you committed to much to the LOS... they could hit you over the top too.   But, I'd say that after about week 5 or so, that team was really a 'run first' type offense, and they used the run to set up the pass.  And they could use the run to kill the clock at the ends of games... and did so, frequently.  But, now, this team appears to be able to run, but refuses to commit to it.  If they have one or two bad runs... Doug puts the running game on ice and forgets that it exists and puts the entire thing back on the QB, throwing to a raw rookie, a retread young WR, a JAG slot and a worn down geriatric WR... with a couple of TEs.  Just a gross offensive personnel group, especially outside, and a terrible use of the personnel we have.  And relying on Boston Scott and Corey Clement behind Miles Sanders, a guy that they really don't trust to be a 20 touch a game guy is criminal negligence by this front office and coaching staff.  Boston Scott plays well against the Giants... and is nothing more than a JAG other than that.  And Clement looked very promising as a rookie, got hurt before 2018 and has never been the same.