50 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

The two bad draft picks in five years were Jones (an acknowledged gamble) and JJAW. Metcalf was probably a medical staff issue, since other teams also passed, not a talent issue.

 

 

 

Did everyone forget about Donnel Pumphrey?

1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey †	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	2	41	Minnesota Vikings	Dalvin Cook †	RB	Florida State	ACC	from Cincinnati [R2 - 6]
	2	48	Cincinnati Bengals	Joe Mixon	RB	Oklahoma	Big 12	from Minnesota [R2 - 9]
	3	67	New Orleans Saints	Alvin Kamara †	RB	Tennessee	SEC	from Chicago via San Francisco [R3 - 1]
	3	86	Kansas City Chiefs	Kareem Hunt †	RB	Toledo	MAC	from Miami via Minnesota [R3 - 10]
	3	89	Houston Texans	D'Onta Foreman	RB	Texas	Big 12
	3*	105	Pittsburgh Steelers	James Conner †	RB	Pittsburgh	ACC
	4	114	Washington Redskins	Samaje Perine	RB	Oklahoma	Big 12	from NY Jets [R4 - 5]
	4	119	Chicago Bears	Tarik Cohen †	RB	North Carolina A&T	MEAC	from Arizona [R4 - 9]
	4	121	San Francisco 49ers	Joe Williams	RB	Utah	Pac-12	from Indianapolis [R4 - 10]
	4	132	Philadelphia Eagles	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego State	MW	from Kansas City via Minnesota [R4 - 16]
	4	134	Green Bay Packers	Jamaal Williams	RB	BYU	Ind. (FBS)
	4	140	New York Giants	Wayne Gallman	RB	Clemson	ACC	Selection dropped 12 spots (see above)
	4*	143	Indianapolis Colts	Marlon Mack	RB	South Florida	The American	from San Francisco  [R4 - 21]
	5	156	Atlanta Falcons	Brian Hill	RB	Wyoming	MW	from Buffalo [R5 - 5]
	5	162	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Jeremy McNichols	RB	Boise State	MW
	5*	179	Arizona Cardinals	T. J. Logan	RB	North Carolina	ACC
	5*	182	Green Bay Packers	Aaron Jones	RB	UTEP	C-USA
	6	188	New York Jets	Elijah McGuire	RB	Louisiana-Lafayette	Sun Belt	from Chicago via Houston and Cleveland [R6 - 3]
	6	203	Denver Broncos	De'Angelo Henderson	RB	Coastal Carolina	Ind. (FCS)	from Tennessee [R6 - 12]
	7	238	Green Bay Packers	Devante Mays	RB	Utah State	MW	from Denver  [R7 - 15]
	7	241	Tennessee Titans	Khalfani Muhammad	RB	California	Pac-12	from NY Giants [R7 - 18]
	7	242	Oakland Raiders	Elijah Hood	RB	North Carolina	ACC
	7	249	Seattle Seahawks	Chris Carson	RB	Oklahoma State	Big 12	from Atlanta [R7 - 21]

49 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am inclined to agree but Carson needs to be fixed.  His deep ball accuracy is an issue.  I mean even when he makes a throw, like the one to Goeddert on Sunday it feels like he either can't or won't but the right touch on the throw.  I don't think it is arm strength.  I think there is something very off in his coordination on those throws.  It seems like he is intentionally floating them to make them easier balls to catch and he is afraid of over throwing the receiver.  He needs a QB coach that can get into his head in these throws. 

That Goedert pass looks like that because he’s feeling imaginary pressure and does that jumping fade away throw instead of planting his feet, setting and striking. On top of that he’s rolling right and throwing left so he’s throwing across his body and it’s far down field. A wounded duck is bound to happen if he’s going to throw like that.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Peters was gone, they brought him back after Brooks got injured, then Dillard.

Jeffrey is the head scratcher, and my suspicion that was Peddy begging for him.

Malik was the other mistake, but Hargrave is turning out to be a smart move, top pass rushing DTs are worth their weight in gold. With the short passing game in today's NFL, DTs who can get penetration have more value than DEs. A reasonable contract for his peak seasons.

The two bad draft picks in five years were Jones (an acknowledged gamble) and JJAW. Metcalf was probably a medical staff issue, since other teams also passed, not a talent issue.

He traded up for Mailata, so that was more than luck, they targeted him.

The primary reason this season imploded was the OL, the second was the injuries to DeSean and Ertz, similar to 2005 and 2012.

Whomever is GM next year, the strategy will be the same, dump veteran contracts, accumulate draft picks and audition young players.

 

 

Afan has his mojo back!

21 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'm down on Reagor but that Punt Return and the ONE end around/jet sweep changed my mind.

This kid isnt being used correctly by the coaching staff. I think those 2 plays shows me he has the talent when put in the right position and once again this coaching staff isnt doing it. 

Jet Sweeps, 2 for 20 yards in 9 games

Punt returns, 3 for a touchdown. 

Crazy. 

He clearly is talented but they are not giving him proper looks.  They need to have him run crossing routes and slants.  Those types of routes would set him up for slant and go concepts along with taking advantage of his speed and potential for YAC.  They have run several tunnel screens with him but at times those have been either poorly blocked or the wrong play to run against the defensive look. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, you know how I felt about Jefferson.  You and I had many a conversation about him.

 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

If it’s true that Howie overruled his scouts on Jefferson vs Reagor, how does Lurie have any confidence in his ability to draft or that he’s the guy to turn this around?

I loved Reagor and didn’t like Jefferson here, but I’m just a dude on a message board. Watching Jefferson kill it in Minnesota while Reagor runs soft, terrible routes and screwing up plays has to be maddening for Lurie. 

I’m sure he has that in his copious notes. 

I was absolutely despondent when they took Reagor.  Could not believe they passed on Jefferson.  Had been so excited he made it to the Eagles pick, as I thought for sure he was going to be swiped, especially the way the round had gone.  I saw the justification from the team, and my brother tried to sell me the same stuff, it's all about scheme fit, raw speed/COD, Reagor wasn't that good in college because his QB sucked, Jefferson is a slot WR with limited ceiling, benefited from a great QB and offense, etc.  I knew what I saw at LSU and the testing and reports did nothing to change that opinion.  Whatever, I thought let's just see maybe they are right about Reagor and he will be good.  He still might be, but they blew another obvious pick being too clever by half.

16 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

Did everyone forget about Donnel Pumphrey?

1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey †	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	2	41	Minnesota Vikings	Dalvin Cook †	RB	Florida State	ACC	from Cincinnati [R2 - 6]
	2	48	Cincinnati Bengals	Joe Mixon	RB	Oklahoma	Big 12	from Minnesota [R2 - 9]
	3	67	New Orleans Saints	Alvin Kamara †	RB	Tennessee	SEC	from Chicago via San Francisco [R3 - 1]
	3	86	Kansas City Chiefs	Kareem Hunt †	RB	Toledo	MAC	from Miami via Minnesota [R3 - 10]
	3	89	Houston Texans	D'Onta Foreman	RB	Texas	Big 12
	3*	105	Pittsburgh Steelers	James Conner †	RB	Pittsburgh	ACC
	4	114	Washington Redskins	Samaje Perine	RB	Oklahoma	Big 12	from NY Jets [R4 - 5]
	4	119	Chicago Bears	Tarik Cohen †	RB	North Carolina A&T	MEAC	from Arizona [R4 - 9]
	4	121	San Francisco 49ers	Joe Williams	RB	Utah	Pac-12	from Indianapolis [R4 - 10]
	4	132	Philadelphia Eagles	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego State	MW	from Kansas City via Minnesota [R4 - 16]
	4	134	Green Bay Packers	Jamaal Williams	RB	BYU	Ind. (FBS)
	4	140	New York Giants	Wayne Gallman	RB	Clemson	ACC	Selection dropped 12 spots (see above)
	4*	143	Indianapolis Colts	Marlon Mack	RB	South Florida	The American	from San Francisco  [R4 - 21]
	5	156	Atlanta Falcons	Brian Hill	RB	Wyoming	MW	from Buffalo [R5 - 5]
	5	162	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Jeremy McNichols	RB	Boise State	MW
	5*	179	Arizona Cardinals	T. J. Logan	RB	North Carolina	ACC
	5*	182	Green Bay Packers	Aaron Jones	RB	UTEP	C-USA
	6	188	New York Jets	Elijah McGuire	RB	Louisiana-Lafayette	Sun Belt	from Chicago via Houston and Cleveland [R6 - 3]
	6	203	Denver Broncos	De'Angelo Henderson	RB	Coastal Carolina	Ind. (FCS)	from Tennessee [R6 - 12]
	7	238	Green Bay Packers	Devante Mays	RB	Utah State	MW	from Denver  [R7 - 15]
	7	241	Tennessee Titans	Khalfani Muhammad	RB	California	Pac-12	from NY Giants [R7 - 18]
	7	242	Oakland Raiders	Elijah Hood	RB	North Carolina	ACC
	7	249	Seattle Seahawks	Chris Carson	RB	Oklahoma State	Big 12	from Atlanta [R7 - 21]

Another draft, I could not believe Cook was still there in round 2, into the 40's.  Thought for sure he was going late first round.  Another massive failure.  The selection they made, considering this was a once in 10 years RB draft with talent throughout, was just embarrassing.  There's 40 draftable running backs on the board.... let's find the next Lorenzo Booker.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That Goedert pass looks like that because he’s feeling imaginary pressure and does that jumping fade away throw instead of planting his feet, setting and striking. On top of that he’s rolling right and throwing left so he’s throwing across his body and it’s far down field. A wounded duck is bound to happen if he’s going to throw like that.

I think that's part of it.  Part of it feels like he's just doesn't trust himself.  He can't just throw it and not think.  I would write it off if it was one occasion but it seems like that type of underthrow happens more often than not with any of his deep balls any more. 

44 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, your last line is the biggest criticism of both the GM and the HC... there's just no communication and discussion of how the coaches can use the players that they bring in.

This is the hammer. A lot of their "good" picks have missed because of the coaching staff. Look at Andre Dillard. He was clearly a finesse LT. He was clearly BPA in the draft. Playing him at RT instead of Peters after he was ok as an LT. Really? On the defensive side, Schwartz has no idea how to develop players. Other than Barnett and Mills, he hasn't developed a single draft pick. Mills maxed out his ability, while some of us are still waiting for the light to fully come on for Barnett. TBF to Barnett, we have a new DL coach every season.

We don't maximize our players, in the same way that Chip Kelly didn't. We need better coaching.  

Not enough is being made of the recent signing of Lavert Hill to the practice squad. This is demonstrably the greatest Eagles FO move of the 2020 season.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The two bad draft picks in five years were Jones (an acknowledged gamble) and JJAW. Metcalf was probably a medical staff issue, since other teams also passed, not a talent issue.

There has been more than 2 bad picks in five years, but JJaw is not a Metcalf issue.  You could have taken any of the following receivers and gotten more production.

Andy Isabella, Diontae Johnson, Terry McLaurin, Hunter Renfrow, Darius Slayton, KeeSean Johnson, Travis Fulgham, Scotty Miller, Bisi Johnson ( the last receiver taken in the draft ) has 40 catches for 470 yards and 3 TD's.  I am sure if I wanted to dive into the stats, I could find other receivers in the draft that have better stats than JJAW.

But back to 2 bad picks, that is 100% false.

2019, JJAW, Shareef Miller and Clayton Thorson ( not on the roster ).  60% of your draft you got nothing.

2018 , Pryor and Maddox blow, so 40% of our draft you got nothing.

2017, 8 picks, 2 are still on the roster, Barnett, and Gerry who blows.

2016, not bad considering the move up for Carson.

2015 draft, none of them are on the roster.

2014 draft, none of them are on the roster.

This tweet sums it up nicely.

 

Not great!

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not great!

Obviously cause we’re so deep we don’t need to rely on the young guys yet. 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Obviously cause we’re so deep we don’t need to rely on the young guys yet. 

There getting all that perspective from the sidelines 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

If it’s true that Howie overruled his scouts on Jefferson vs Reagor, how does Lurie have any confidence in his ability to draft or that he’s the guy to turn this around?

It was reported 2 weeks ago that Jeremy Chinn was the highest rated player on the Eagles board when they went on the clock, Howie picked Jalen Hurts.

The following weekend Chinn had two fumble returns for TD's, and has been balling all year.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exactly.  Now Howie has no one to hide behind.  This is on him.  Bad contracts? Check.  Bad drafting? Check.

 

Good luck, Howie.  Thanks for 2017, but its over now.

I'll bet he does his best to blame Doug, or maybe Carson (the ingrate!!!!)

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I am inclined to agree but Carson needs to be fixed.  His deep ball accuracy is an issue.  I mean even when he makes a throw, like the one to Goeddert on Sunday it feels like he either can't or won't but the right touch on the throw.  I don't think it is arm strength.  I think there is something very off in his coordination on those throws.  It seems like he is intentionally floating them to make them easier balls to catch and he is afraid of over throwing the receiver.  He needs a QB coach that can get into his head in these throws. 

i can still hear my dad yelling at me on the mound. Dont aim it...throw it! Carson is trying to aim and has f'd up his mechanics/timing as a result. 

25 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It was reported 2 weeks ago that Jeremy Chinn was the highest rated player on the Eagles board when they went on the clock, Howie picked Jalen Hurts.

The following weekend Chinn had two fumble returns for TD's, and has been balling all year.

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Chinn last week; he was asked if he had a suspicion that he would end up getting drafted by the Panthers.  He said he never had any pre-draft meetings or discussions with the Panthers — they were completely off his radar.

This is how teams are supposed to draft.  CAR couldn’t believe Chinn was still on the board at #64 (slated to be drafted earlier), so they traded up from #69 to land him.  Conversely, the Eagles decided at #53 midway through the second round — ‘hey, let’s grab a guy with a 3rd round grade before he gets on anyone’s radar, and we’ll come away looking brilliant by grabbing him before anyone else even thinks of it’

Just really crappy draft philosophy 

23 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I'll bet he does his best to blame Doug, or maybe Carson (the ingrate!!!!)

One hopes that Howie has exhausted the excuses.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Chinn last week; he was asked if he had a suspicion that he would end up getting drafted by the Panthers.  He said he never had any pre-draft meetings or discussions with the Panthers — they were completely off his radar.

This is how teams are supposed to draft.  CAR couldn’t believe Chinn was still on the board at #64 (slated to be drafted earlier), so they traded up from #69 to land him.  Conversely, the Eagles decided at #53 midway through the second round — ‘hey, let’s grab a guy with a 3rd round grade before he gets on anyone’s radar, and we’ll come away looking brilliant by grabbing him before anyone else even thinks of it’

Just really crappy draft philosophy 

The process underlying the selection of Dillard appears to have been ham-handed as well.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

One hopes that Howie has exhausted the excuses.

One would hope, it depends on whether the guy that signs his paycheck thinks he is out of excuses.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That Goedert pass looks like that because he’s feeling imaginary pressure and does that jumping fade away throw instead of planting his feet, setting and striking. On top of that he’s rolling right and throwing left so he’s throwing across his body and it’s far down field. A wounded duck is bound to happen if he’s going to throw like that.

Yup.   

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

Afan has his mojo back!

I thought about responding to that... but figured it wouldn't be worth the effort.   Apparently Donnell Pumphrey was a good pick.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

One good thing about him was he didn't get injured. His age caught up with him. He also had to deal with no CBs. He wasn't worth the new contract. No regrets even with how he's playing with Saints

Yes

I guess a team opens itself up to former players talking if there seems to be internal strife. 

That said, if Brian Dawkins can look past the decisions the team made, so should anyone else, imo. No front office or coaching staff in the NFL has a perfect record when it comes to player/personnel decisions. 

Hopefully one day, former players who felt "slighted" will let bygones be bygones and remember that most of the fans still admired and respected what they did for the team. 

1 hour ago, John_C said:

I was absolutely despondent when they took Reagor.  Could not believe they passed on Jefferson.  Had been so excited he made it to the Eagles pick, as I thought for sure he was going to be swiped, especially the way the round had gone.  I saw the justification from the team, and my brother tried to sell me the same stuff, it's all about scheme fit, raw speed/COD, Reagor wasn't that good in college because his QB sucked, Jefferson is a slot WR with limited ceiling, benefited from a great QB and offense, etc.  I knew what I saw at LSU and the testing and reports did nothing to change that opinion.  Whatever, I thought let's just see maybe they are right about Reagor and he will be good.  He still might be, but they blew another obvious pick being too clever by half.

Another draft, I could not believe Cook was still there in round 2, into the 40's.  Thought for sure he was going late first round.  Another massive failure.  The selection they made, considering this was a once in 10 years RB draft with talent throughout, was just embarrassing.  There's 40 draftable running backs on the board.... let's find the next Lorenzo Booker.

I felt the same way, but convinced myself of all the things you said... so I stayed on board.  And Reagor can be a weapon in this league, but he absolutely needs a coach that knows how to use him, and Doug... he's shown, he's not that guy.  Put Reagor on SF in place of Aiyuk, and he's likely doing the same things, if not more.  Put Reagor in LA with McVay and he's likely doing way more than he is here.  But, here, they want him running outs and curls... that's not his strength... why force it on him?   Use what he does best and let him run.

 

With the RB draft, I was in on Cook, but Hunt was my guy.  Turns out he's got his own set of issues, but how different could this team have looked with either Kamara or Hunt on the roster instead of Sydney Jones?

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought about responding to that... but figured it wouldn't be worth the effort.   Apparently Donnell Pumphrey was a good pick.

Or R. Douglas, or S. Miller, or M. Pryor, or C. Thorson, or M. Hollins, or E. Qualls, or S. Gibson, or...

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Just really crappy draft philosophy 

Yep.  If the Eagles just picked the most popular players we talk about on the message board they would have a better team.

WR was split last year, but Reagor was not even part of the discussion until late.  A ton of people loved Chinn in the second.

Previous year, nobody was talking about JJAW.

If this board just voted on the picks, we would currently have an offense of Kamara, Metcalf, Jefferson ( highest rated available of players we discussed )  

The dominos of this would have meant no need to take Sanders, no need to triple dip at WR last year.  No need to acquire DeSean, and possibly not give out a few bad contracts.

One of these days I need to do a post Super Bowl redraft based on players we talked about.