3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That doesn't say they rated Chinn higher than Hurts. And Position matters, an OT will get taken before an OG if they have the same rating.

What it said is Chinn and Robbins were the two position players they were looking at that spot.

Now unless you think Chinn over Mills would have solved the CB issue, or Robbins over Scott at RB would have made a significant impact on the offense, then taking Hurts did not have a real impact on this season. The only choice that could have had a significant impact, in hindsight, would have been a starting caliber RG, but at the time, that wasn't even remotely a need (with Seumalo and Brooks healthy at the draft, Pryor and Herbig on the roster, a guard would have to have been clearly BPA to be chosen there). They took Driscoll in the 4th as a development project who they didn't expect to play this year.

 

It’s not just this year though. You’re drafting for the future. Chinn over Mills likely means we have our Safety of the future and an upgrade this year. Instead now we still have to find a future safety and we wasted a pick on a project QB that we didn’t need. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That doesn't say they rated Chinn higher than Hurts. And Position matters, an OT will get taken before an OG if they have the same rating.

What it said is Chinn and Robbins were the two position players they were looking at that spot.

Now unless you think Chinn over Mills would have solved the CB issue, or Robbins over Scott at RB would have made a significant impact on the offense, then taking Hurts did not have a real impact on this season. The only choice that could have had a significant impact, in hindsight, would have been a starting caliber RG, but at the time, that wasn't even remotely a need (with Seumalo and Brooks healthy at the draft, Pryor and Herbig on the roster, a guard would have to have been clearly BPA to be chosen there). They took Driscoll in the 4th as a development project who they didn't expect to play this year.

 

Still focusing this on the Hurts pick, and not the complete failure of three entire off-seasons, I see.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why 2013?  Kelly was in control of the 2013-2015 drafts, Howie didn't come out of exile until 2016. So 2016-2020 is the one stretch we know he had control.

And there's the other issue, misuse by coaches, Rowe is not a starting safety, Douglas looks much better, even Jones is laying better.

I wouldn't say Maddox sucks, he's a 7th rd pick asked to start at outside CB when his best spot is nickel.

False.

 

The issue is the lack of communication and getting players that the coaches know how to use... Golden Tate, exhibit A.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Putting Maddox, Pryor and Gerry in the same field is just not accurate.  I am not sure who Whiteside is? I would assume you mean Hightower and he doesn't suck.  You don't have JJAW and he's clearly in the suck category.  Maddox is a competent starter.  Pryor probably has a role as a backup.  Gerry is maybe a ST player.  

What do you think the W in JJAW stands for ??  Hard to take folks seriously with a statement like this.  I also had no players from the 2020 draft class on my list, so why would you assume Hightower ??

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why 2013?  Kelly was in control of the 2013-2015 drafts, Howie didn't come out of exile until 2016. So 2016-2020 is the one stretch we know he had control.

And there's the other issue, misuse by coaches, Rowe is not a starting safety, Douglas looks much better, even Jones is laying better.

I wouldn't say Maddox sucks, he's a 7th rd pick asked to start at outside CB when his best spot is nickel.

First he was a 4th rounder.

If we wanted to talk about maddox in the slot just so you know through the first 3 weeks of last season when he was strictly playing the slot he gave up the most receptions, the most yard, and the highest quarterback rating of any slot corner in the league. He has regressed every single year since his rookie season. Maybe he’s just not as good as the eagles think. Kind of like Brandon Boykin. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I wouldn't say Maddox sucks, he's a 7th rd pick asked to start at outside CB when his best spot is nickel.

This is why it is hard to take most of you seriously.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Putting Maddox, Pryor and Gerry in the same field is just not accurate.  I am not sure who Whiteside is? I would assume you mean Hightower and he doesn't suck.  You don't have JJAW and he's clearly in the suck category.  Maddox is a competent starter.  Pryor probably has a role as a backup.  Gerry is maybe a ST player.  

JJAW is Whiteside........................Finkel is Einhorn

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Putting Maddox, Pryor and Gerry in the same field is just not accurate.  I am not sure who Whiteside is? I would assume you mean Hightower and he doesn't suck.  You don't have JJAW and he's clearly in the suck category.  Maddox is a competent starter.  Pryor probably has a role as a backup.  Gerry is maybe a ST player.  

How is this true. He’s been bad for two years now. People need to move on from 2018 where he played well. He has not played well last year and he has not played well this year.  I know PFF is not the end-all be-all but when his grade on there is a 36.2 that is not a competent starter. That is one of the worst grade of any corner that’s play the amount of snaps he has this entire season. People need to move away from the 2018 season where he played well and focus on the last two years he has not played well

Man, must be Geno Smith time in Seattle.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Man, must be Geno Smith time in Seattle.

 

Bench him

Interestingly, the name that might deserve more mention as a bigger (draft performance) loss here in Philly when Andy Reid left is Brett Veach.  He is now the GM in KC, and he was the guy that was credited by Andy himself as the key guy he wanted to take with him when he left the NovaCare complex.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29837962/600-million-offseason-impossible-chiefs-gm-brett-veach

https://www.chiefs.com/news/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-signs-contract-extension

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Reading comprehension not your strong suit ??

I said this is the draft weekend story, but multiple tweets, and both 97.5 and WIP both talked about Chinn being the highest player on the board and Howie over ruled them.

 

WIP has as much credibility as Breitbart.

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I see a lot of people talking about Malcolm Jenkins the person in all this. I couldnt care less about that. He can say whatever he wants or feel anyway he wants that’s his right. I don’t care. My issue has and will always be the Philadelphia Eagles for years could see this day coming. Instead of going to the draft and developing a safety for when this day happened they continued to just ignore the position even though we could all see this coming at one point in time. That is bad planning.

So when you went to go cut Malcolm Jenkins you were forced to keep Rodney McLeod (who I don’t think it’s very good anymore what they ask him to do )otherwise they’d have had nothing. The Plan was we’re just gonna switch Jalen mills over to safety and signing back up safety and draft a kid in the fourth round like that was a good solution the year you cut him was ridiculous. They had multiple years knowing this day was coming and they decided to ignore it for years. Anyway you slice it that is gross negligence on the part of the Eagles who wanted to release Malcolm Jenkins and move on but continued to no address the position in the draft. 

I think McLeod is actually a decent safety.  Just imagine, however, if they had drafted Thornhill and he had a year under Jenkins before taking over that position.  Also, they could have drafted Thornhill, not re-signed McLeod and extended Jenkins last season.  Wallace then could be learning under him this season.  

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is a way to look at it that hopefully makes sense to people.

This is going back to 2013.

Considering where Mailata was drafted and his experience level i'd put him one column above everyone else.

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Reported by who? What source?

CYA is common when an organization is floundering, but Howie doesn't do the scouting, he's not head of college or pro player evaluation.

So I'm suspicious about all these reports b/c you often have leaks by people with agendas.

By the way, fumble recoveries have been shown to be basically luck, forcing fumbles is a skill.

He forced the fumble, stripped it from the ball carrier then took it to the house.

One thing really aggrivating me is watching other teams and seeing players we cut as starters/contributors on better teams.

Remember when Howie got rid of all those Chip players on bad contracts and then we won the super bowl? I miss that Howie

3 hours ago, RLC said:

Disagree with this take. Jordan Matthews was better than Davante Adams in year 1. Sammy Watkins looked way better than Allen Robinson. WRs grow differently.

Now, drafting Reagor without a plan by the coaches is malpractice. Jefferson was an easy evaluation as a slot WR. You could have plugged him into the Agholor role without changing the offense. You couldn't just plug Reagor into the DSJ/T.Smith role. He was a 21 year old out of the Big12. He needed some time to learn how to beat press and how to maximize his athleticism. 

If the coaches couldn't do that, we shouldn't have drafted him. So I'm still high on Reagor, because you can't teach his speed/acceleration, he needs to be on a staff that knows how to use him. 

Nah. I’m comfortable saying Reagor will never be a top 10 WR (and that’s conservative for Jefferson right now). 

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Considering where Mailata was drafted and his experience level i'd put him one column above everyone else.

I put him in the Good / TBD column.  The other choices are sucks or not on the roster.  Not sure what you are expecting ??  He is in the same column as Lane and Ertz.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think McLeod is actually a decent safety.  Just imagine, however, if they had drafted Thornhill and he had a year under Jenkins before taking over that position.  Also, they could have drafted Thornhill, not re-signed McLeod and extended Jenkins last season.  Wallace then could be learning under him this season.  

I’ve been less than impressed with Rodney Mcleod since came back from that injury. There’s plays out there where if you have someone like a thornhill you could’ve made a play on the ball.  last year (Dolphins and giants) there were back to back games where he just gave up on a play. There’s been a couple times this year. And like that DK Metcalf 52 yarder where he’s not doing anything on the play he should be the deep safety there’s some of those plays this year on him too. He isn’t as good as people perceive him to be.  

I think he is an average Starting safety at this point of his career. He’s not the player he was prior to that injury and they definitely had opportunities to upgrade the position and neglected it 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Man, must be Geno Smith time in Seattle.

 

RETIRE!

3 hours ago, RLC said:

Disagree with this take. Jordan Matthews was better than Davante Adams in year 1.

Adams was on a roster with an in his prime Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb who both had 90+ catches.

Matthews was on a roster with Maclin and Riley Cooper.  He was forced into the lineup out of necessity.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

This is the hammer. A lot of their "good" picks have missed because of the coaching staff. Look at Andre Dillard. He was clearly a finesse LT. He was clearly BPA in the draft. Playing him at RT instead of Peters after he was ok as an LT. Really? On the defensive side, Schwartz has no idea how to develop players. Other than Barnett and Mills, he hasn't developed a single draft pick. Mills maxed out his ability, while some of us are still waiting for the light to fully come on for Barnett. TBF to Barnett, we have a new DL coach every season.

We don't maximize our players, in the same way that Chip Kelly didn't. We need better coaching.  

Don’t let Dillard off the hook for being a jello minded weakling. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not going to get into the who is and who isn't... but frankly, comparing anyone to Brian Dawkins is a bit of an unfair standard.  BDawk is in a class of his own.  He's a once in a generation type player/person to come through an organization.  

 

I was there for his induction into the Hall and I have to tell you... every Hall of Famer out there made it about themselves, except him.  He made it about all the people who helped him get there, and put out a message of hope for anyone who was struggling with mental illness.  He had the greatest stage that he'd get on this earth to be heard, and he made sure that he didn't waste it, but looked for ways to lift others up, rather than focusing on himself.   And it wasn't a prepared speech, he merely spoke from his heart, like he always does.   We may never see another person come through this organization like Brian Dawkins.

I agree. Very well said. 

That's why my initial post basically said, "if Brian Dawkins can look past it, so should anyone else." because of everything you say here.

  Dawkins should be regarded as one of the athletes in Philadelphia Sports History that has demonstrated "the highest standards".  Not just when he was here but for the rest of his career outside Philadelphia and he showcased it during the Hall of Fame Ceremony.  And he did it from his heart in an utmost humble fashion.  

 

57 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not going to get into the who is and who isn't... but frankly, comparing anyone to Brian Dawkins is a bit of an unfair standard.  BDawk is in a class of his own.  He's a once in a generation type player/person to come through an organization.  

 

I was there for his induction into the Hall and I have to tell you... every Hall of Famer out there made it about themselves, except him.  He made it about all the people who helped him get there, and put out a message of hope for anyone who was struggling with mental illness.  He had the greatest stage that he'd get on this earth to be heard, and he made sure that he didn't waste it, but looked for ways to lift others up, rather than focusing on himself.   And it wasn't a prepared speech, he merely spoke from his heart, like he always does.   We may never see another person come through this organization like Brian Dawkins.

I still have that speech saved on my DVR from over 2 years ago.  My wife, who is 30 and a Panthers fan, asks me to play it whenever she's feeling down or upset.  

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Nah. I’m comfortable saying Reagor will never be a top 10 WR (and that’s conservative for Jefferson right now). 

He won't even be top 5 in this class, possibly not even top 10.  Obviously missed time,  but is 11th in catches.

Aiyuk has played in two more games than Reagor, and has twice as many catches.