8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I put him in the Good / TBD column.  The other choices are sucks or not on the roster.  Not sure what you are expecting ??  He is in the same column as Lane and Ertz.

Watch the Breaking the Birds videos on you tube. This guy does a pretty good job of breaking down plays.

BTW i'm saying Mailata is currently Playing better than anyone on your list.

34 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is a way to look at it that hopefully makes sense to people.

This is going back to 2013.

Who is Barley???

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Watch the Breaking the Birds videos on you tube. This guy does a pretty good job of breaking down plays.

BTW i'm saying Mailata is currently Playing better than anyone on your list.

It was just in reverse order of the year drafted, the columns are not ranked in any way.

Just now, Utebird said:

Who is Barley???

I think he meant to say Barkley, as in Matt Barkley.

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I still have that speech saved on my DVR from over 2 years ago.  My wife, who is 30 and a Panthers fan, asks me to play it whenever she's feeling down or upset.  

I was there... and had a hard time keeping a dry eye.  Thst speech was beautiful.

30 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Reading comprehension not your strong suit ??

I said this is the draft weekend story, but multiple tweets, and both 97.5 and WIP both talked about Chinn being the highest player on the board and Howie over ruled them.

 

McLane has reported it a bunch of times. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Who is Barley???

JEEEZUS, now the spelling police are out.  Matt Barkley.  The guy drafted right after the previous person on that list, Bennie Logan.

The board is driving me a little nuts today.

Who is Whiteside, Maddox was a 7th round pick.  Hard to really take any of you guys seriously sometimes with some of the stuff you say.

Just now, downundermike said:

JEEEZUS, now the spelling police are out.  Matt Barkley.  The guy drafted right after the previous person on that list, Bennie Logan.

The board is driving me a little nuts today.

Who is Whiteside, Maddox was a 7th round pick.  Hard to really take any of you guys seriously sometimes with some of the stuff you say.

Please don't ever take anything I say seriously. 

Afan would have us believe that Howie has been masterful at drafting.

If that were true, then would expect to see some impactful rookies.

Here is a compendium of NFL All-Rookie Teams (2015-2020). One is from Pro Football Focus and the other is from the Professional Football Writers Association.

Hardly a ringing endorsement of Howie's drafting prowess.

 

Primary reason for Eagles lack of draft success the last five years, combination of position in draft and trades (Wentz, Slay, Darby, Tate):

Eagles tied with KC with the lowest expected value of their drafts the last five years.

Eagles were just ahead of the Jets for the worst returns on their drafts the last five years.

But relative to the league, Eagles got 95% of their draft value over that period (100% being the average).

Top drafting teams:  KC, Minn, Dallas, Buf, LAR, Bal, Atl, Sea, NO

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve been less than impressed with Rodney Mcleod since came back from that injury. There’s plays out there where if you have someone like a thornhill you could’ve made a play on the ball.  last year (Dolphins and giants) there were back to back games where he just gave up on a play. There’s been a couple times this year. And like that DK Metcalf 52 yarder where he’s not doing anything on the play he should be the deep safety there’s some of those plays this year on him too. He isn’t as good as people perceive him to be.  

I think he is an average Starting safety at this point of his career. He’s not the player he was prior to that injury and they definitely had opportunities to upgrade the position and neglected it 

Agree,Mcleod has never been much of a ball hawk or playmaker, he's a solid safety who doesn't excel at any one thing but is capable at a lot of things.

And he has regressed in his capabilities.

At this point in his career he's no more than band aid.

Who ever the new DC is next year I imagine Mcleod as a seasoned vet will be useful in helping the new DC implement his defense. Either that or the DC will want guys that fit his system which might be a problem seeing as the eagles have zero money to bring in anyone the new DC may want for his system.

 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Primary reason for Eagles lack of draft success the last five years, combination of position in draft and trades (Wentz, Slay, Darby, Tate):

Eagles tied with KC with the lowest expected value of their drafts the last five years.

Eagles were just ahead of the Jets for the worst returns on their drafts the last five years.

But relative to the league, Eagles got 95% of their draft value over that period (100% being the average).

Top drafting teams:  KC, Minn, Dallas, Buf, LAR, Bal, Atl, Sea, NO

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

And Howie takes no blame for stupid trades now?

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Man, must be Geno Smith time in Seattle.

 

Do you know what makes people not talk about turnovers?  Wins. And a high level of play despite the turnovers.

How many people were focused on Wentz' fumbling when he was playing well and the team was winning?  It was an afterthought only brought up as something he should focus on. 

It only became a more serious issue (for most) once the team started struggling and his level of play regressed.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

JEEEZUS, now the spelling police are out.  Matt Barkley.  The guy drafted right after the previous person on that list, Bennie Logan.

The board is driving me a little nuts today.

Who is Whiteside, Maddox was a 7th round pick.  Hard to really take any of you guys seriously sometimes with some of the stuff you say.

Wasn't correcting spelling,I was honestly wracking my brain trying to figure out who , Barley was???can you fault me for not remembering Matt barkley of all people?

Speaking of Bennie Logan, ooof what a disappointment, had high hopes for him and he was mediocre at best, got more out of undrafted Cedric Thornton, aka Swamp thing.

 

Thankfully we got Dave to come from the old boards. I was worried we wouldn’t get him too but he’s done an excellent job finding us and spinning things. 

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Primary reason for Eagles lack of draft success the last five years, combination of position in draft and trades (Wentz, Slay, Darby, Tate):

Draft position is irrelevant.  Metcalf ( and the other 15 more productive WR's ) went after JJAW, Jefferson ( and the other 5 more productive WR's ) went after Reagor.  We could have drafted Kamara, who the board was banging the drum for, we drafted a corner we had to red shirt who is no longer on the roster.  I could do this for days.

We pick the wrong players, end of story.

I have no idea who Kruger was. That's the only one on that draft list I had to think real hard about.

30 minutes ago, greend said:

Remember when Howie got rid of all those Chip players on bad contracts and then we won the super bowl? I miss that Howie

Yup, I still have no idea how he was able to get rid of Maxwell and kiko and then get a team to trade for Sam Bradford.

2016 2017 he was a man on a mission then it was gone like a fart in the wind☹️

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have no idea who Kruger was. That's the only one on that draft list I had to think real hard about.

DE  for Utah, older brother played for the Ravens.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And Howie takes no blame for stupid trades now?

Howie takes the blame for everything 

Just now, Godfather said:

Howie takes the blame for everything 

I agree I blame Howie

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Draft position is irrelevant.  Metcalf ( and the other 15 more productive WR's ) went after JJAW, Jefferson ( and the other 5 more productive WR's ) went after Reagor.  We could have drafted Kamara, who the board was banging the drum for, we drafted a corner we had to red shirt who is no longer on the roster.  I could do this for days.

We pick the wrong players, end of story.

Read the article. Learn something.

Of course draft position matters, the probability of success decreases as you get lower in the draft.

You judge success in drafting by comparing the expected value of ALL your picks with their actual value, not cherry picking a pick here or there.

Last 2 drafts put this team back a couple years. Not to mention the cap hell

Jjaw over Metcalf 

Reagor over Jefferson 

Hurts over Chinn

 

Fire Howie

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Read the article. Learn something.

Of course draft position matters, the probability of success decreases as you get lower in the draft.

You judge success in drafting by comparing the expected value of ALL your picks with their actual value, not cherry picking a pick here or there.

No one is cherry picking examples.  I could go through every draft and show you a ton of succesful guys, that this very message board wanted, that we could of drafted instead of the clowns we pick.

The Legion of Boom was made up of a first round pick, two 5th round picks, a 6th round pick and an UDFA.  Draft position does not matter, what you do with that pick matters.

You also mentioned that our drafts have been impacted by trades.  WHO MADE THOSE TRADES ??  The same guy that sucks at drafting, thats who.

 

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Draft position is irrelevant.  Metcalf ( and the other 15 more productive WR's ) went after JJAW, Jefferson ( and the other 5 more productive WR's ) went after Reagor.  We could have drafted Kamara, who the board was banging the drum for, we drafted a corner we had to red shirt who is no longer on the roster.  I could do this for days.

We pick the wrong players, end of story.

We could go further with the trades thing... 

 

If they drafted better in Round 2 of 2017, then maybe they don't need to make the trade for some of these other vets that they rent...

For example: Draft Kamara, Hunt in Round 2... or even Marlon Mack or Gallman in Round 4 instead of Pumphrey... do you need to make the trade for Jay Ajayi?   Not likely, and they'd have saved a 4th round pick in the following draft.  Also, with those guys, they'd not have had a 2 year rental with a player who had known bad knees, and wouldn't have had to trade a 4th round pick in 2019 to get Jordan Howard. 

Or... what if they drafted my guy Chris Godwin in 2017 in Round 2, instead of Sydney Jones to red-shirt... then they wouldn't have had to trade for Golden Tate (a 3rd round pick, that they flipped for a 4th round pick a full year later), and since Godwin is actually a competent NFL WR, they wouldn't have had to: Overpay Jeffery, trade for (and overpay) Desean or draft JJAW (2nd round pick).

 

The dominoes are all lined up... the bad drafting forced bad trades and bad free agent signings.  So, instead of one draft pick being used to fix the WR position and bring in actual talent, the Eagles spent multiple picks and tens of millions of dollars in cap space that would have been useful served.  Or one draft pick on RB depth... they used 2 4ths on trades, plus a 4th plus 6th to draft Pumphrey and have no depth at RB now.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Theyve had like 15 top 100 picks in 5 years and have A pro bowl to show for it. 

Theyve had like 15-16 top 100 picks in 5 years and have A pro bowl

Barnett is a JAG. Add in the fact he was top 20, thats a terrible pick

Rowe was traded 2 years later - Terrible

Nelly was a Jag, top 20 pick, makes it terrible

JJAW Terrible

Dillard is on a one way street with looking like a terrible pick

Reagor pick WAS TERRIBLE. but I'll give it another year or 2 make it official. 

 

How can you judge the Dillard pick right now, it was known when drafted he needed to add strength or he'd never gotten past the top 10. if he hadn't been injured, we'd have a sense of how good he is or isn't, but that will have to wait until next season.

Reagor? A bit early for judgment, wouldn't you say. Shown flashes, been injured, and is in a bad situation, another where we probably won't know until next season.

JJAW, that's pretty obvious.

Barnett is not a JAG, he's a solid starting NFL DE, he's not in the top 20 (out of 60 or so DEs/edge rushing LBs) but he's not near the bottom either, and he's only 24.

Wentz? An MVP season, two top ten seasons and a putrid season. So how do you judge that?