I blame Howie for this ugly field condition. Looks like they are practicing on a giant pitchers mound.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You'd lose that bet since it was admitted that the OC didn't know how to use Tate and the DC refuses to use Avery.

The Tate trade happened because the Jackson trade fell apart with Tampa.  They wanted Jackson but Tampa's GM was trying to save his job so he refused to trade him. (For a reasonable price, anyway). 

Reports came out soon after basically saying that was the case, from what I recall.

That said, Tate didn't work out as expected but he had the winning TD catch in the playoff game on 4th down. (For some, that was worth the trade all in itself).

And we received a 4th round comp pick when he left.  

I wouldn't necessarily grade the trade an A but it's far from an F.

 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hey now, we could have had Chase Claypool!

I believe Claypool was taken before the Hurts pick. Could've had Chinn. Could've had Lamb if Howie traded up. For a guy who's loves trading deciding not to trade up for Lamb and instead take Reagor and pass on Jefferson is pretty disgusting

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You'd lose that bet since it was admitted that the OC didn't know how to use Tate and the DC refuses to use Avery.

No, that simply means the coaches don't have a clue. We know Schwartz didn't know what to do with Douglas or Jones, and cut Rowe who has started at SS for two years in Miami.

Schwartz loves speedy edge rushers, but ends up playing big DEs (Curry, Graham, Barnett), so maybe there's some cognitive dissonance going on.

And Peddy doesn't know how to use WRs.

Eagles seem to be a "consensus" organization, so I'd be surprised if Howie was forcing players on his coaches they didn't want.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The product on the field primarily sucks due to injuries, normally you might lose one starting OL and have a couple others injured for short periods, and maybe lose one other skill player.

No offense can withstand the amount of injuries the Eagles have experienced without imploding, just look at Dallas, even with Dalton, a proven NFL veteran, their offense was putrid when their OL had a string of injuries, and that's with three talented WRs and a top pair of RBs.

We saw this in 2005, and the team rebounded in 2006, problem in 2021, is the cap situation means they're gonna lose a bunch of veteran talent.

Why are there so many injuries year after year?

Who populated the roster with aging, injury-prone veterans?

Who selected the training/conditioning staffs?

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because of bad drafting too.    See above.   Pick a GOOD RB in the big RB draft, and they don't need to trade for Ajayi or Howard.

Why draft Kamara when you can draft Sidney Jones and red shirt him for a year.

It's not like we didn't already have Ryan Mathews 

Oh that's right, we got rid of him because we drafted Pumphrey, then had to go oh crap and sign Blount and trade for Ajayi.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hey now, we could have had Chase Claypool!

 🤮

there’s more spin on here today than my fellow Jews tonight are going to have with their dreidels on the first night of Hanukkah. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The product on the field primarily sucks due to injuries, normally you might lose one starting OL and have a couple others injured for short periods, and maybe lose one other skill player.

No offense can withstand the amount of injuries the Eagles have experienced without imploding, just look at Dallas, even with Dalton, a proven NFL veteran, their offense was putrid when their OL had a string of injuries, and that's with three talented WRs and a top pair of RBs.

We saw this in 2005, and the team rebounded in 2006, problem in 2021, is the cap situation means they're gonna lose a bunch of veteran talent.

That's some of it. But every week the whole team cooperates to lose us games. Players drop easy passes, people fumble, people can't return punts, our d-back can't intercept passes or cover anyone a lot of that is talent. Reagor can't get friggen open, greg ward stinks and he isn't injured, sanders drops passes put right in his hands, Carson can't hit the side of a barn and/or hold onto the football.

8 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Afan,

Bad drafting

Bad trades

Horrible contracts

Terrible cap management

Dysfunctional coaching staff (see 1000 consultants)

Ruinous training/conditioning staff

Stupid public statements (QB Factory, baby!)

What exactly has Howie done well recently?

 

Bringing back players who should've never been back. Peters, Djax

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I believe Claypool was taken before the Hurts pick. Could've had Chinn. Could've had Lamb if Howie traded up. For a guy who's loves trading deciding not to trade up for Lamb and instead take Reagor and pass on Jefferson is pretty disgusting

Could have taken Claypool instead of Reagor and it would have been better.

Just now, austinfan said:

No, that simply means the coaches don't have a clue. We know Schwartz didn't know what to do with Douglas or Jones, and cut Rowe who has started at SS for two years in Miami.

Schwartz loves speedy edge rushers, but ends up playing big DEs (Curry, Graham, Barnett), so maybe there's some cognitive dissonance going on.

And Peddy doesn't know how to use WRs.

Eagles seem to be a "consensus" organization, so I'd be surprised if Howie was forcing players on his coaches they didn't want.

Who hired the coaches?  Yes, that's right... that's the GM's responsibility too.    

 

We move on.  They ALL need to go, from Howie on down.    And for the record, I believe Howie started believing his own press following the Super Bowl and has gone a little rogue... from trading for players the coaches can't/won't use, to disregarding the scouting grades, to claiming 'QB factory' nonsense.    It all adds up to the amazing amount of dysfunction throughout this organization.  It needs to be fixed and Howie is NOT the guy to do it.  He's the guy who made it.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And Peddy doesn't know how to use WRs.

Do you think JJAW would be as productive as Metcalf in Seattle, McLaurin in Washington, Slayton in New York ??

Just now, downundermike said:

Could have taken Claypool instead of Reagor and it would have been better.

True. Reagor is trash. Where's the separation everyone was talking about? I don't see it

Just now, downundermike said:

Do you think JJAW would be as productive as Metcalf in Seattle, McLaurin in Washington, Slayton in New York ??

Hell no

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The product on the field primarily sucks due to injuries, normally you might lose one starting OL and have a couple others injured for short periods, and maybe lose one other skill player.

No offense can withstand the amount of injuries the Eagles have experienced without imploding, just look at Dallas, even with Dalton, a proven NFL veteran, their offense was putrid when their OL had a string of injuries, and that's with three talented WRs and a top pair of RBs.

We saw this in 2005, and the team rebounded in 2006, problem in 2021, is the cap situation means they're gonna lose a bunch of veteran talent.

And who created that problem... 🤔

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 🤮

The Canadian in me didn't understand this pick. Canadians athletes are taught that toughness is the most important thing. He...was not that coming out.

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

True. Reagor is trash. Where's the separation everyone was talking about? I don't see it

Hell no

@austinfan just needs to accept that this team sucks at drafting, and it has nothing to do with position, trades or hindsight.  He has pages of evidence that he just chooses to ignore.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I blame Howie for this ugly field condition. Looks like they are practicing on a giant pitchers mound.

 

I recently read that it's actually the type of grass.  It's perfectly healthy, it just turns a tan color in the winter months.  (If you zoom in on it, it actually looks like well-filled in, thick turf...it's just tan, not green.)

 

 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No, that simply means the coaches don't have a clue. We know Schwartz didn't know what to do with Douglas or Jones, and cut Rowe who has started at SS for two years in Miami.

Schwartz loves speedy edge rushers, but ends up playing big DEs (Curry, Graham, Barnett), so maybe there's some cognitive dissonance going on.

And Peddy doesn't know how to use WRs.

Eagles seem to be a "consensus" organization, so I'd be surprised if Howie was forcing players on his coaches they didn't want.

Who selected the coaches?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And who created that problem... 🤔

Ooh, Ooh, I know.  The same guy who drafts and make trades.

Just now, downundermike said:

@austinfan just needs to accept that this team sucks at drafting, and it has nothing to do with position, trades or hindsight.  He has pages of evidence that he just chooses to ignore.

Reagor isn't as good as Agholor 

16 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Afan,

Bad drafting

Bad trades

Horrible contracts

Terrible cap management

Dysfunctional coaching staff (see 1000 consultants)

Ruinous training/conditioning staff

Stupid public statements (QB Factory, baby!)

What exactly has Howie done well recently?

 

What about that flavored icee drink they have at camp, is howie responsible for that, those seem to be a success...

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@austinfan just needs to accept that this team sucks at drafting, and it has nothing to do with position, trades or hindsight.  He has pages of evidence that he just chooses to ignore.

Did you bother to pay attention to his posts?  Statistically, the Eagles are right around "average" when compared to the rest of the league when drafting.  The only issue (in years past) that I noticed is that the trades affected their "expected return" as @austinfan just informed me.  That includes the Wentz trade.  I've learned something new today and I appreciate his insight.

 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The Tate trade happened because the Jackson trade fell apart with Tampa.  They wanted Jackson but Tampa's GM was trying to save his job so he refused to trade him. (For a reasonable price, anyway). 

Reports came out soon after basically saying that was the case, from what I recall.

That said, Tate didn't work out as expected but he had the winning TD catch in the playoff game on 4th down. (For some, that was worth the trade all in itself).

And we received a 4th round comp pick when he left.  

I wouldn't necessarily grade the trade an A but it's far from an F.

It's a D, because one play doesn't fix everything.   They took a 3rd round pick in 2019 draft (in the low 20s), and turned it into a late 4th round pick (in the late 30s) in the 2020 draft.... for what?   

 

And who's to say that they don't win that game without him... Tate himself had no idea what was going on on that play... and was lucky to turn around and find the ball.   Maybe someone on the field that actually knew what his role was might have had more success... its not like the offense took off when he was added, or he did anything else in that game to help the team.

 

And why the need to bring back Desean?   Because they traded away Torrey Smith - the deep threat from 2017, and they needed to replace him. (and the aging WR they tried to replace him with only played in 1 game - Mike Wallace). So, they decided to try to trade for an even older one, but failed.  So, they bring in Tate, who was NOT the deep threat of either Smith or Desean, but another slot WR... to clog up the middle with Agholor.   Not great roster building... 

10 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I believe Claypool was taken before the Hurts pick. Could've had Chinn. Could've had Lamb if Howie traded up. For a guy who's loves trading deciding not to trade up for Lamb and instead take Reagor and pass on Jefferson is pretty disgusting

There wasn’t any trade partner for Lamb; just wanting to trade up doesn’t make a trade.

As soon as SF and TB traded at 13/14 there was no other available trade.  DEN needed WR at #15 and took Jeudy, ATL needed a CB at #16 as badly as the Eagles needed a WR and took A.J. Terrell, then DAL drafted Lamb at #17.