19 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think he's taking plays off. The one clip I saw that criticized his route because he looked like he was jogging I think missed on what he was doing.  To me it looked like he was try to bait the DB and then get past him.  I think that's likely a coaching issue rather than some sort of attitude issue. 

I 100% agree. It's a skillset that defines the successful speedsters of the League. It's a way to manufacture different gears within your route. DJax, when healthy, was amazing at slow playing his route. Tyreek Hill success isn't so much based on running faster than everyone else, but by varying his speeds within his routes. I'd bet what that clip from Reagor shows is a bad attempt at manufacturing gears. 

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup exactly. I agree Jim Johnson had a clear vision of what he wanted his defense to be. Why they ever got away from what was so successful is was beyond me.

Sure the league has evolved and as such so have defenses but teams like pitt the Ravens though they may evolve they stay true to their basic philosophy and Tennant's and it's worked.

As stated that philosophy comes directly from the top, ownership and trickles down to management coaches players to the freaking water boy 

I agree the eagles franchise is at a critical point. 2017 looks more and more like a flash in the pan rather than the result of a sustainable organization wide vision and philosophy.

I have no idea who the eagles are or what they want to be and I don't think the eagles have a clue either from top to bottom.

 

Sometimes you can't find the right guy. Schwartz has been solid, but limited as a DC, but hey, there are 30 teams but only 10 top ten defenses, so how many DCs can build a top 10 defense without top 10 talent (i.e. add value)? So you have to cycle through a few, the one good thing is Lurie ain't cheap, if they find the guy, he'll pay to keep him.

Same on offense, how many great HC/OCs are there? Which is why you want your HC to be your lead OC, because a good OC won't stay very long (he'll get a HC job) so the HC has to establish that continuity on offense. Pederson is not AR, that's pretty obvious. I think the key in the HC is recognizing and nurturing young coaching talent because you're gonna have turnover if you're successful (and if you're not successful, you'll be turned over).

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There's a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on.

Imagine a reasonable alternative season, the OL is intact except for Brooks, Dillard - Seumalo - Kelce - Peters - Lane, Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig, Pryor, Peters stays at RG through camp, and misses a few games, Mailata comes in for Lane for a couple games, otherwise a solid line that can run and pass block.

DeSean stays healthy most of the first half, Ertz is healthy, Reagor and Hightower get spot duty and a chance to learn the offense before DeSean inevitably goes down for a 4 game stretch. A lot of 2 TE sets and Sanders and Scott get 20 carries a game between them.

Not a great offense, but Wentz doesn't have to run for his life and has his favorite target all season, big plays to DeSean early and Reagor gradually worked in - doubt he would have regressed in that scenario.

Meanwhile, with the team controlling games and giving the defense leads, the D-line pressure forces mistakes and turnovers.

That is, the end of 2019 with a bit more talent in a weak division, and the Eagles go 10-6. And as a veteran team with PO experience, always a threat to go deep.

This scenario doesn't require complete health, nor anyone raising their game above their past production, just the normal couple guys lost for the season and a few more dinged.

But it also means, even with the veterans lost to the cap next year, this team isn't starting from ground zero, we're not the Jets.

i'm not sure this team could beat the jets or jags at this point , i'm still amazed how they beat the giants and dallas with their 3rd QB

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Smith is rail thin... which scares me a little.    My ultimate dream draft choice this year (right now, it might change) is Wyatt Davis.  

Thin and doesn't have the speed that usually comes with a frame like that. He's making it work in college, I just see him getting bullied at the next level. Then you have to wonder if his body will hold up unless he adds mass to his frame, but if he does that, does he just get even slower?

I'll have to research Davis.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, trade back is certainly on the table. I'd be wary of moving out of the top 10 though. They aren't in this position often where they get an elite prospect without having to give up assets. And Howie has gotten burned with trade backs in the past. So if that's the route they go hopefully it's not him in charge.

My unpopular draft take of the year is just say no to Smith. 

I agree with you on trading back out of the top 10.  I don't think it makes sense given what is available. 

3 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I 100% agree. It's a skillset that defines the successful speedsters of the League. It's a way to manufacture different gears within your route. DJax, when healthy, was amazing at slow playing his route. Tyreek Hill success isn't so much based on running faster than everyone else, but by varying his speeds within his routes. I'd bet what that clip from Reagor shows is a bad attempt at manufacturing gears. 

This is the clip:

I think when he gets to the top of the route he starts to put on the speed but then looks bad and sees Hurts running for his life.  It seems to me that if it was a roll out to his side he knew he was a primary option.  He was wanting to make sure he was open.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree with you on trading back out of the top 10.  I don't think it makes sense given what is available. 

Ideal scenario is a small trade back, 2-3 spots, for a team that wants a QB and wants to jump another team that needs a QB, but it's not really shaping up for that to happen. Right now, you would be trading back to #10 maybe with Denver.

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How many of these guys are there? How many are 1st rd picks? And how long do they last?

I noticed looking at yardage leaders all were 28 or younger, and many weren't 1st rd picks.

So it may be that WR is a "numbers" position where you have to keep bringing in guys on a regular basis, Pittsburgh is a good example of that strategy.

yeah.  But Pittsburgh knows how to draft receivers and we dont.  that's the difference.  Over the past 10 years they have drafted Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Juju, and now Claypool and none in the first round. In the same time period we have drafted Riley Cooper, Huff, Matthews, Agholor,  Gibson, JJAW and now Reagor. 

I guess we will eventually hit on one if we keep trying 🙂

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Without exhibition games they had no way of knowing how far Mailata progressed, practice only tells you so much (how many practice champions have gone belly up in real games?).

So it would have been gross negligence to depend on Mailata without an insurance policy.

Same can be said about bringing in Jason Peters.

4 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

yeah.  But Pittsburgh knows how to draft receivers and we dont.  that's the difference.  Over the past 10 years they have drafted Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Juju, and now Claypool and none in the first round. In the same time period we have drafted Riley Cooper, Huff, Matthews, Agholor,  Gibson, JJAW and now Reagor. 

I guess we will eventually hit on one if we keep trying 🙂

Maybe they just know how to utilize the receivers they draft. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Maybe they just know how to utilize the receivers they draft. 

Maybe they also don’t fire the wide receivers coach year after year. We are on our six wide receivers coach in six years.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I want to be paid multiple millions of dollars to be terrible at my job, and end up standing around on the sidelines of an NFL game too... but its not happening for me.  And it shouldn't happen for him either.    

If Jason Peters' career were a pet... the owner would have already made the decision to euthanize the poor critter.   Why can no one stand up to this man and tell him... "Jason, it's over."?!?

Maybe he can play Center if Kelce retires.

51 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Without exhibition games they had no way of knowing how far Mailata progressed, practice only tells you so much (how many practice champions have gone belly up in real games?).

So it would have been gross negligence to depend on Mailata without an insurance policy.

2020 sucks.

YOu can add this to a very long list

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe they also don’t fire the wide receivers coach year after year. We are on our six wide receivers coach in six years.

I also think they should stop trying to be cute with this and hire someone with NFL experience. They hired Greg Lewis who had 3 years experience, all 1 year at 3 different small schools. They hired Groh, a guy with NFL experience, and he was great. Then they hire a life long college coach who had no idea how to coach anything but kids. Then they hired Walch who I don't even know what experience he had. And then Moorehead who had just some college experience. 

I get its just a WR coach and they want to find the next young guy in the coaching world, but with how big of a priority the position was for this year, maybe they would have been better off going with Sanjay Lal or Chad O'Shea. They could have even just kept Bob Bicknell from Kellys staff who seems to be doing pretty well in Cincinnati. 

21 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think there are more questions than answers about Dillard.  I also think his rookie performances even at LT were mixed.  His attitude and performance at RT were problematic.  

I challenge you to do something with your opposite side with three hour long practices. Bowl with the opposite side.  Drive or putt with the opposite side.  For a lot of right handed people, use a hand tool with your left hand.  It isn’t that easy.  Dillard literally never played right before.   I imagine it was frustrating.  I don’t put any stock in the whole RT debacle. That is on the coaches.  I would say his play at LT last year, while with a few rookie hiccups left me with little doubt he can plan LT and well.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe they also don’t fire the wide receivers coach year after year. We are on our six wide receivers coach in six years.

Best one they had was Groh.....then they made him OC.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I challenge you to do something with your opposite side with three hour long practices. Bowl with the opposite side.  Drive or putt with the opposite side.  For a lot of right handed people, use a hand tool with your left hand.  It isn’t that easy.  Dillard literally never played right before.   I imagine it was frustrating.  I don’t put any stock in the whole RT debacle. That is on the coaches.  I would say his play at LT last year, while with a few rookie hiccups left me with little doubt he can plan LT and well.

I know he's had his injury issues but whatever happened to Lane being the LT when Peter's was finished?

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I know he's had his injury issues but whatever happened to Lane being the LT when Peter's was finished?

I am sure that was the plan 3-4 years ago, but then Peters just wouldn't go away.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think that falls on Howie, frankly.   Because cutting him makes Howie look bad more than Doug.  Because Howie is the guy that made Alshon the 3rd highest paid player on the team... (Think about that for a second)   And Alshon would be 3rd highest on the salary cap in 2021 as well, if they kept him.   Just gross incompetence.  

Horse's Arse Howie then

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think he's taking plays off. The one clip I saw that criticized his route because he looked like he was jogging I think missed on what he was doing.  To me it looked like he was try to bait the DB and then get past him.  I think that's likely a coaching issue rather than some sort of attitude issue. 

Okay, and that's why I asked about the film.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know he's had his injury issues but whatever happened to Lane being the LT when Peter's was finished?

He became the best RT in the league and the whole LT vs RT importance has been dropping more over the years.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I challenge you to do something with your opposite side with three hour long practices. Bowl with the opposite side.  Drive or putt with the opposite side.  For a lot of right handed people, use a hand tool with your left hand.  It isn’t that easy.  Dillard literally never played right before.   I imagine it was frustrating.  I don’t put any stock in the whole RT debacle. That is on the coaches.  I would say his play at LT last year, while with a few rookie hiccups left me with little doubt he can plan LT and well.

I'm left handed and it's usually not so bad to switch to something right handed.  I am not saying that it wasn't difficult.  I recall that I would have liked to have seen him be a little more positive about the challenge.  It seemed to me that he seemed defeated by the challenge.  Now, I did go back and look at quotes and this is part of what he said:

"Smooth as can be," he said after practice Friday. "It's obviously going to be a challenge, but I'm up for it. I'm perfectly capable." https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/andre-dillards-switch-left-tackle-right-tackle-trying-write-left-handed#:~:text=Dillard%2C a left tackle since,this case%2C" he said.

so maybe I am being unfair to him about his attitude during the game.  He was, however, benched during the game for his poor performance.  Also, I would like to see him succeed.  I am not against the team keeping him given the likelihood that Lane will continue to have health issues next season.  I also don't know what to make of him as a player. His performance at LT wasn't great.   https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-new-player-or-current-player-new-role-series-andre-dillard-edition/   It seemed like there were concerns all offseason.  He's a year older than Mailata.  Again, there's no reason to move on from him and keeping him, letting him develop, let's him become a better asset for the team. 

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

If Doug calls a bunch of runs, short passes, and roll outs this week i'm gonna scream.

Get ready to scream

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I want to be paid multiple millions of dollars to be terrible at my job, and end up standing around on the sidelines of an NFL game too... but its not happening for me.  And it shouldn't happen for him either.    

If Jason Peters' career were a pet... the owner would have already made the decision to euthanize the poor critter.   Why can no one stand up to this man and tell him... "Jason, it's over."?!?

For 2 million I'll do it (and medical and dental)

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe they also don’t fire the wide receivers coach year after year. We are on our six wide receivers coach in six years.

Maybe they don't know how to hire a receivers coach