Just now, Saltpeter said:

Lol lots of goal post moving here in the thread.

That sucks for Elliot 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Mahomes rushed for 272 yards in his first year as a starter.  He's not even close to a running QB.

Wilson was used as a running qb...and a lot of people who follow and study that team would argue that it was to his detriment.  

Wilson was running for his life because he had no Oline for awhile. He's had skilled weapons though. For awhile he had the legion of boom too

I don't think you can compare Wilson and Hurts

We’re about to get the Cleveland Baseball Team 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Being able to do that is good, needing to do that is a problem.

It's a developmental issue.  Being able to do that stunts the progression of a young QB.

The best QB's of all time are the best because of a quick release, accuracy, reading defenses, and (perhaps most importantly) being able to identify any one of their targets when open on the field.  That takes years to refine.

When you are a young, developing QB...if you can run like a WR/RB...it's just going to be easier and more effective to tuck and run rather than go through the growing pains (sacks, incompletions, ints) of sitting in the pocket and processing deeper progressions.

Sometimes, you just need to play to win and do what works...and running for yards, for a young QB, will always initially be easier than sitting in the pocket.  

Being able to do that ruined Vick and Randall.  It ruined them.  It's intoxicating to both the player and their coach.  They had the arm talent to be so much better.

Running QB's have their durability and athleticism fail them after about 5 years in the league, at which point they are not nearly as advanced as their pock-passing counterparts who learned the nuances of the position.  

This is a trap that NFL coaches, GMs, and experts fall into again, and again, and again.

What a pic 

 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Join the club.  I was Christmas shopping online, helping with a meal amongst other things.  I'm actually more depressed with this win because I fear that Lurie is going to buy in to this fools gold thinking Howie was a genius for drafting Hurts, Alshon can still play and DP knows how to call a game.

I’m very concerned about that. It’s demoralizing.

All fans really ask for is hope and right now what is there to look forward to?

Can’t look forward to free agency because our cap situation is Fed.

Can’t look forward to the draft unless Howie is fired.

Hell, can’t even fully invest our emotions in Hurts because I think we all know damn well because of his contract they’re gonna make Wentz have to lose the job next year for Hurts to be the guy and Wentz will likely be starting on opening day.

Wish we had one thing we could grasp on to. A young stud defense, an elite GM you know will turn things around. A QB that looks like the next top 3 QB. Cap room. Something.

Best game they played this year with some semblance of a team. +1 turnovers. If the OL can play this well the rest of the year get a better idea where we are with receivers to see if we need to spend more draft capital there. Next year Brooks, Lane and Dillard back so might be looking D

Let's not exaggerate Hurt's performance.

He threw for 167 yards on 30 attempts - a pedestrian 5.6 yards/attempt. Roughly 45 of those yards were two completions to Reagor who made big gains out of short passes.

A completion percentage of 57%.

He should have had a pick-six to go along with his fumble.

The best part of his performance was running which I do not think is a sustainable strategy.

Wow...anyone watching SNF about Josh Allen mechanics?

I guess the Eagles just gave up on these things with Wentz...

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Wilson was running for his life because he had no Oline for awhile. He's had skilled weapons though. For awhile he had the legion of boom too

I don't think you can compare Wilson and Hurts

Wilson had a very good OLine his first few seasons. Whenever they traded Max Unger is when the OLine started trending downhill.
 

Wilson’s career is similar to Roethlisberger’s. Early on he just had to be good, not great thanks to a crazy good defense and plenty of other talent around him. Then they had to take their game to the next level when the defense and other very good offensive players started aging out. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

It's a developmental issue.  Being able to do that stunts the progression of a young QB.

The best QB's of all time are the best because of a quick release, accuracy, reading defenses, and (perhaps most importantly) being able to identify any one of their targets when open on the field.  That takes years to refine.

When you are a young, developing QB...if you can run like a WR/RB...it's just going to be easier and more effective to tuck and run rather than go through the growing pains (sacks, incompletions, ints) of sitting in the pocket and processing deeper progressions.

Sometimes, you just need to play to win and do what works...and running for yards, for a young QB, will always initially be easier than sitting in the pocket.  

Being able to do that ruined Vick and Randall.  It ruined them.  It's intoxicating to both the player and their coach.  They had the arm talent to be so much better.

Running QB's have their durability and athleticism fail them after about 5 years in the league, at which point they are not nearly as advanced as their pock-passing counterparts who learned the nuances of the position.  

This is a trap that NFL coaches, GMs, and experts fall into again, and again, and again.

The TD throw to Alshon is encouraging though.  Good read, good throw.

Gabriel Davis is what we all would've liked Fulgham to be.

Is one of Wentz biggest problem that he audibles too much? Doug hinted weeks ago that he is calling rollouts but the play is getting changed. 

Always nice to get a win.

Hopefully they don't screw themselves with draft position.

Of course that assumes Howie would draft the right player.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wow...anyone watching SNF about Josh Allen mechanics?

I guess the Eagles just gave up on these things with Wentz...

Jordan Palmer runs a great QB camp and works with a lot of college prospects and guys in the NFL now. He’d be a good guy for Wentz to visit in the offseason. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wow...anyone watching SNF about Josh Allen mechanics?

I guess the Eagles just gave up on these things with Wentz...

Press Taylor has been the position coach.  He needs to go first of all.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

The TD throw to Alshon is encouraging though.  Good read, good throw.

It was outstanding.  Not many QB's have the combination of balls and brains to make that throw with the rusher in their face like that.  

I just want to see more of Doug asking him to be a QB and to learn the nuances of the position.  I have nothing bad to say intrinsically about Hurts' performance (for a rookie).

Doug used Hurts like a veteran backup QB with great mobility who has no idea how to play the position...just used him like Taysom Hill, sacrifice his body, and try to scrape together a win.

That's not how you coach up or use a young player that might be your future QB.

 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wow...anyone watching SNF about Josh Allen mechanics?

I guess the Eagles just gave up on these things with Wentz...

Some HC's actually want to help their QB out

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Gabriel Davis is what we all would've liked Fulgham to be.

I liked him.  I think I had him in some of my mocks.

2 minutes ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Is one of Wentz biggest problem that he audibles too much? Doug hinted weeks ago that he is calling rollouts but the play is getting changed. 

That's on the coaching staff then.   If you give the QB freedom, then if he uses it, and you don't want him to... teach him when not to... OR take away that freedom from him.    That's what being a coach is all about... getting the player to do the right things on the field.

The worst part about all this is that tomorrow we will have to listen to Afan tell us what a genius Howie is.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

The worst part about all this is that tomorrow we will have to listen to Afan tell us what genius Howie is.

You sure it isn't Howie telling us what a genius afan is.  🤔

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Mahomes rushed for 272 yards in his first year as a starter.  He's not even close to a running QB.

Wilson was used as a running qb...and a lot of people who follow and study that team would argue that it was to his detriment.  

He also played on a team with the best defense of the last decade. Just sayin..

Look, the season is lost.  The goal is to develop, not to win games.

I'm a big believer into forcing people to excel at their weaknesses.

If you are trying to develop a QB who is not comfortable rolling out to his leftside, then design some plays to make him do it.  Force Ben Simmons to toss up some 3's.  

If you have a QB who needs to prove he's more than a runner, then make him sit in the pocket all game long and distribute the football.

You "adjust your scheme to your players' strengths" when you are in a playoff run and the players are veterans with fixed deficits.  When you have a 22 year old QB who is a ball of clay, you don't design 20 runs and make him roll out on every play.  Then he's mentally going to live up to his own expectations of being a limited passer.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You sure it isn't Howie telling us what a genius afan is.  🤔

We have often speculated that Afan and Howie were one in the same.