Howie Roseman isn't trading Jalen Hurts any time soon. Especially, with the current Wentz saga. That's why he drafted him, even with Wentz here and with many glaring needs through out the roster. He really likes Hurts and obviously felt Wentz may be not quite be the sure thing here. And as it turns out, he may be right. The narrative may soon change about his foolishly drafting him.

20 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Kyler Murray is already the most overrated player in the NFL.  I haven’t seen him in an NFL game yet where I’ve come away impressed.  Now watch him put up 380 yards passing next Sunday.

The Eagles drafted Hurts in the second round, so any offer other than a first round pick would be a non-starter IMO.  The 49ers, Bears, and Broncos are all QB-needy teams that are currently outside the top 10 in draft position.  There are very few quality FA QB that ever hit the market.  Teams do funny things to try to fill the starting QB position.  A really good offer would be unlikely to come until after the draft, so I doubt it’s realistic.

 

I still think Jared Goff is more overrated than Kyler Murray. if you took Kyler Murray and put him on the Rams and you took Jared Goff you put them on the Cardinals I think the Cardinals are a bottom 10 team. Meanwhile if you put Murray on the Rams with sean McVay, I think that is better than what they are. I think he maximizes his talent more than kingsbury. Watching the cardinals from the beginning of the season until now living out here, their offense is really not adjusted. They keep running the same things over against and the better defenses have figured it out. Even today the Giants defense wasn’t the problem Daniel Jones was just so awful that the Giants defense was put in bad position after bad position

I don’t think they’re gonna trade either one of them. I think the Eagles believe they can get Carson Wentz salvaged to maximize his value to either them or in a trade. And they also believe in Hurts upside. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they’re gonna trade either one of them. I think the Eagles believe they can get Carson Wentz salvaged to maximize his value to either them or in a trade. And they also believe in Hurts upside. 

Then it’s going to take a really good coach to manage the QB situation next season 

Translation — not Doug 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Then it’s going to take a really good coach to manage the QB situation next season 

Translation — not Doug 

Doug and Carson is not a good combo. If the organisation want to try to salvage Wentz then they need to move on from Doug. If they want this team to succeed with Doug then they need to move on from Wentz. The two just aren't compatible. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Then it’s going to take a really good coach to manage the QB situation next season 

Translation — not Doug 

That might be true but my assumption has always been unless the doug walks away, I think all 3 of them are coming back. I think lurie brings Doug back but you see him potentially giving up play calling to a OC and a new QB coach. Now giving up playcalling I think might push doug to want leave and go be a coach somewhere else where he can do it. I’m with Banner i don’t think lurie fires howie this offseason. my belief has always been I think one of the 3 is not going to be back after 2021.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That might be true but my assumption has always been unless the doug walks away, I think all 3 of them are coming back. I think lurie brings Doug back but you see him potentially giving up play calling to a OC and a new QB coach. Now giving up playcalling I think might push doug to want leave and go be a coach somewhere else where he can do it. I’m with Banner i don’t think lurie fires howie this offseason. my belief has always been I think one of the 3 is not going to be back after 2021.

I think you're probably right. I think all 3 potentially do come back. But if they do then we can expect another season just as bad and just as ugly as this one. Doug and Wentz do not work as a combo. That's the big takeaway here. 

9 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

What a pic 

 

I don't get it

1 minute ago, greend said:

I don't get it

It appears as if Doug and Wentz are having a contentious staredown. 

9 hours ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Is one of Wentz biggest problem that he audibles too much? Doug hinted weeks ago that he is calling rollouts but the play is getting changed. 

Honestly  I mean it could be, but Wentz would be stupid to keep doing that. I don't trust Doug to tell the truth anymore though

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

With some of the roughing the passer calls around the NFL today (and the one with Hurts in our game), I am again calling into question the value of investing in edge rushers moving forward.

Yeah, I realize Sweat basically won the game today, but you have to take a look at the conventional blueprint for success if you can't hit QB's anymore.

This isn't the first time you've questioned that and you are over exaggerating not being able to hit the quarterback.  

Watched the highlights and one of the things that popped into my head immediately after they showed the alshon TD was "would wentz have even thrown that ball?" Like would he have the confidence to put it there and trust Jeffery to turn around? I don't think he would right now.

I do hope he is able get his mind right this offseason.

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

Watched the highlights and one of the things that popped into my head immediately after they showed the alshon TD was "would wentz have even thrown that ball?" Like would he have the confidence to put it there and trust Jeffery to turn around? I don't think he would right now.

I do hope he is able get his mind right this offseason.

The bigger problem is that he would not have processed the blitz fast enough to make that decision.

It was the most encouraging thing I saw from Hurts all game.

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

Uh, do you watch Sweat play? He's a pass rush specialist who has been burned repeatedly on run/toss/end around plays to his side because he overcommits to the pass rush, and struggles to seal the edge.

The guy who has really come on since the break is Hargrave, showing why he's worth that contract.

Hurt is as advertised, a guy who can steal you a game or two as a backup QB, but needs a couple years of work to be thought of as a NFL starter.

This. Hes like a Babin. Good for passing down but not an everydown DE yet.

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Random thoughts...

* Hurts was good relative to expectation and opponent, but much of what he did wasn’t anything I feel optimistic about moving forward. He almost exclusively took off after his first read, whether it was due to wide open running lanes or simply bailing the pocket far too early. It’s fine for a game or two, but I want to see him sit and go through progressions from a clean pocket. Don’t put too much stock into the "zero sacks” thing since he didn’t really sit in the pocket all that much. I also thought his arm looked really weak.

* Helluva performance by the defense. Sweat, Cox and Hargrave balled out. Barnett had a great spin move on Armstead that didn’t result in a sack because Hill got rid of the ball to his first read, but it was impressive. 

* I skimmed back through the game thread. The Schwartz hate is hilarious. We had basically nothing left in the secondary and some were complaining. Weird. 

* Doug called an interesting game, but I still hated his situational playcalling.  

* I see E45 is complaining about Reagor’s development. I understand it to an extent, but Hurts didn’t give him much of a chance today. His deep shot to Reagor was a really poor throw. He couldn’t get it up the field at all. His usage was much better though.

* Sanders’ home run ability is obvious and makes it so confusing why he hasn’t been given more carries to pop those big plays. 

* Man, we had some bad tackle attempts today. Gross. 

doug needs to do a better job putting players on offense a chance to win more , i didn't like that QB sneak on 4th down , you dress howard and don't pound him for a yard or sanders is a no brainer. i don't recall 1 screen pass and the saints were sending the house alot , gotta help the QB. doug did get screwed on that ertz toe tap CATCH on the sidelines when he threw the red flag. the defense did look like they had oil on their hands trying to tackle and were dropping like flies with injuries.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles win was fantastic today because of who they beat, and the fact it knocked the Saints out of the #1 seed in a season where only the #1 seed gets a playoff bye.

What Hurts showed today is that he’s a very good #2 QB — which is precisely what he was drafted to be.  He’s not a dynamic enough runner to put up 100 yards per game with his legs; teams will adjust quickly and force him to win games from the pocket as much as possible.  We will see what he shows in the remaining 3 games, but there was no evidence shown today that he can lead a franchise to 11 or 12 win seasons as a starter.  His numbers were just about exactly what I predicted — 17/30 for 167 yards and 1 TD and 1 turnover is rather pedestrian for a starting QB, but he managed the game well

The defense played very well in the first half, and barely well enough in the second half to secure the win.  Need to keep in mind that Taysom Hill is a bottom-tier NFL starter (at best) and you could argue he showed about the same from the pocket that Hurts did.  The difference in the game was the Eagles didn’t allow Hill to get outside the pocket and use his legs.
 

 

First start and you already figured out his entire career 😂 

 

Whats the lotto numbers? I could use a few million dollars

10 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

The bigger problem is that he would not have processed the blitz fast enough to make that decision.

It was the most encouraging thing I saw from Hurts all game.

If Wentz was QB yesterday, there would have been a slew of sacks.

59 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't get it

Doug and Wentz staring at each other. 
 

In other news the game you thought wasn’t worth your time the Eagles won! Maybe you should stay away a few more weeks 😂

21 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

This. Hes like a Babin. Good for passing down but not an everydown DE yet.

He’s a poor mans Babin at that.

8 hours ago, manz2821 said:

Btw why did we cut Poyer after a year. Whenever I see a Bills game he's always a very active player making tackles etc.  Too bad we could not develop him but not surprising as we dont develop any Dbs. So in actuality Chips first draft was pretty good. Lane, Ertz and Poyer.  Bennie Logan was decent too.

He's also married to Rachel Bush😍

6 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

To the folks trying to knock down Hurts's performance today -- has Carson Wentz traumatized you so much that you're now repulsed by signature wins and touch passes?

I think a lot of people see yesterday’s performance as unsustainable. He can run, but if the first read isn’t there, that’s about it for Hurts at this point. 

58 minutes ago, devpool said:

Watched the highlights and one of the things that popped into my head immediately after they showed the alshon TD was "would wentz have even thrown that ball?" Like would he have the confidence to put it there and trust Jeffery to turn around? I don't think he would right now.

I do hope he is able get his mind right this offseason.

Something else you should ask is would Alshon even made an effort to get the ball if Wentz was the QB

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think a lot of people see yesterday’s performance as unsustainable. He can run, but if the first read isn’t there, that’s about it for Hurts at this point. 

It was his first start, ever.   Do you think that is the best he can do, or are you hoping it is?

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think a lot of people see yesterday’s performance as unsustainable. He can run, but if the first read isn’t there, that’s about it for Hurts at this point. 

15 rushes would average out to 240 non-kneel carries in a season so I agree with you on the sustainability of this specific performance.

But it was his first start and sustainability wasn't the question coming into the game. The goal posts have definitely moved here.

6 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

To the folks trying to knock down Hurts's performance today -- has Carson Wentz traumatized you so much that you're now repulsed by signature wins and touch passes?

Signature win?    The Eagles beat a team with Taysom Hill at QB, and the Saints never even tried to use him as a running threat.   Let's not let the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction as to lose focus on the fact that the Saints with Taysom Hill at QB is not the same team as it has been leading up to that game.  Yes, they won the last few with Taysom, but not because of Taysom.  They won the game against Denver IN SPITE of Taysom.  31-3 final score, but Taysom had 0 TDs, 1 INT and threw for just 78 yards.

 

Yes, the Saints defense is very good.  But, they also had no real film on Hurts.  They adjusted in the second half and really limited what the Eagles could do.  

 

The only starting QB the Eagles beat this year was Daniel Jones, and frankly, if not for an Evan Engram drop at the end, they don't win that one either.  
Rich Mullins, Ben DeNucci, Daniel Jones and Taysom Hill.   Those are the QBs the Eagles beat.  Nothing 'signature' about any of them.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

15 rushes would average out to 240 non-kneel carries in a season so I agree with you on the sustainability of this specific performance.

But it was his first start and sustainability wasn't the question coming into the game. The goal posts have definitely moved here.

yeah as he gets more playing time the speed of the live game will come back to him and everything will slow down for him. his first NFL game had to be trying to speed thru each play after watching wentz get the beat down.