59 minutes ago, RLC said:

The offense looked pretty similar. Hurts just ran it better.

That is not even close to true. Rollouts and runs.

Here's my final take, not that anyone cares.

Jalen Hurts played well. The Eagles as a whole, played well. Considering it was his first start and one of the best teams in football, with a top defence, it was great.

Context is everything, though. On his big pass to Reagor, we got away with OPI on Ertz. 7 of our points came on a massive Sanders run. He struggled the second half once the Saints made adjustments. He had a terrible fumble (Doug shouldn't have had him carry it there) and a horrible pass that should've gone the other way for six. 

Having said that, he also showed a lot of poise. That throw to Jeffery knowing he was going to get crushed was money. If Elliot doesn't blow, we put up another 6 points, as I'm assuming Doug kicks it on one of the other 4th downs he went for it. The deep throw to Reagor was off target, but it still should've been caught. He didn't take any sacks. He did a good job of stepping into the pocket and knowing when to bail out.

All in all, he played really well all things considered. The team did good. I think it's extremely premature to count on him as the guy going forward. I still don't have confidence in him and I think that as teams force him to stay in the pocket and read the field, he's going to struggle. He has earned another start and for this week, hats off.

Keep going kid, let's see what you can do.

 

19 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Don’t forget Schwartz, he’s gotta go too. 

Clean sweep, bro.   The only coach that has any chance of staying is Stoutland.  If the new coach wants to bring in his own OL guy, I won't stand in the way.

Nothing good can come from Hurts playing well.  Every good game is a further blow to Wentz’ confidence.  Don’t forget that Carson is still the guy.  He’s the franchise.

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts was exactly as you should expected, remember he just came out of the Oklahoma offense where he ran for 1200 yards last season.

His passing game is a work in progress, beautiful throw to Jeffrey, awful throw to a wide open Reagor. Mechanics need a lot of work, and arm strength is average.

Ertz should have been called for OPI on the Reagor big play, guy did an awful job of selling a pick.

Mailata struggled, didn't pick up Jenkins on the 4th and 2, got beat around the edge, false start, not awful but a step down this week.

Sanders is a big play back, but you don't run him more than 15 times, and 20 touches total, if you want him to make it through a season, Eagles need a power back to go with Sanders and Scott.

Somehow the secondary held up with three starters out.

Let's be honest, Saints were flatter than a pancake the first half, picked it up a little the second half but Hill ain't exactly the QB you want when coming from behind.

 

What exactly does Scott bring that we couldn't get from any other JAG RB?

5 minutes ago, greend said:

That is not even close to true. Rollouts and runs.

People sometimes see only what they want to see, lack the ability to be objective, or they are just plain ignorant to the facts. 

They in fact did call a bunch more designed QB rollouts and called more runs plays. And just as important as calling them is when you call them. 

Defense also helped and even gave the Offense a short field with a turn over. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I'm not ready to anoint Hurts anything at this point, but those of you that are flat out ignoring the difference in his play v Carsons are laughable.

Yes, I didn't like all of the running, but as several people have pointed out, a lot of those were runs that were called by Doug. 

Sorry, but I'm just not going to buy that magically everything got better and came together in a conspiracy to make Hurts look better than Carson in this game. 

Hurts was flat out a better QB, which in a QB driven league tends to make things better around them.

Can he sustain it and build on it? Who knows? He's already shown more than I expected from him, so I look forward to finding out.

Hurts played better than Wentz has for most of the games this year. Hurts also ran a ton and Doug also called more runs. 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

That is not even close to true. Rollouts and runs.

They ran Scott and Sanders a total of 17 times last night as opposed to 12 the week prior. The difference was Hurts. You can't run Wentz like that, or the way they did in 2017, because of the injury risk he poses.

So, yeah, they ran the ball more because Hurts allowed for it. And they ran a lot of the same plays as they have all year round and they finally worked because there was a QB extending plays and kept the front 7 honest. Hurts, as most mobile QB's do, have the unique ability to cover up for the obvious weaknesses everywhere else on the offense.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Nothing good can come from Hurts playing well.  Every good game is a further blow to Wentz’ confidence.  Don’t forget that Carson is still the guy.  He’s the franchise.

Just a guess, cause I dont know your posting style yet, but this seems like a Troll effort here. 

 

Some thoughts 

There were times when either Herbig or Driscoll in pass protect had their man get through but the DL did not charge full blast at Hurts because of the run threat.  The left side of the line was much better, especially on the run plays.  There was a play on third and fourth in the third which was a designed run with Mailata on the edge.  Jenkins was in his sights and literally went to the ground rather than let Mailata block him one on one.  Made an arm grasp but essentially took himself out of the play. Driscoll looks like a TE when he stands next to Jordan.  Big man.  Seumalo really helped. 

Hurts is a one look and go guy.  Didn’t look like the WRs were getting open but want to watch the all 22.  Curious to see what Watkins looked like in routes. Nice to see more runs.  When Sanders broke that long TD run, I was yelling the same thing I was I was on the long Scott run last week that was called back.  "F you, Marty (MM)”. Then I recalled that was only like his fifth or so carry of the day.   But then, with the game on the line in the red zone, back to back runs by Boobie and I thought, if Scangarello is really making red zone schemes then Doug has to realize that it is time to kick Marty to the curb.  Nice reverse by Reagor. That TD by Jeffery was the sort of play I expected from JJAW with his roundball background.  Box the DB out with the bigger body.  Ertz actually had a couple decent blocks.

Not sure Schwartz can field a secondary next week.  Seymour at least seems to be able to tackle.  If Hill can pick apart that zone they went to, even the football gods won’t be able to help the team next week.   Need to watch the all 22.  

Singleton is almost there way to often. Needs to actually be there. Riley plays better zone coverage than him.   I believe Riley is a UFA this offseason with Gerry.   Singleton is a RFA.

(This is why I keep saying DB and LB are the biggest needs this offseason.)

DL looked good.  Hargrave really coming on.

Eagles need to solve the PR this offseason.  The roll to the eight pissed me off and the one that barely made it to the end zone did too.  The long field is killing them. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Just a guess, cause I dont know your posting style yet, but this seems like a Troll effort here. 

 

Yeah I was waaaaay late catching on to that.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

They ran Scott and Sanders a total of 17 times last night as opposed to 12 the week prior. The difference was Hurts. You can't run Wentz like that, or the way they did in 2017, because of the injury risk he poses.

So, yeah, they ran the ball more because Hurts allowed for it. And they ran a lot of the same plays as they have all year round and they finally worked because there was a QB running things that could extend plays and kept the front 7 honest.

I wouldn't argue that Hurts running more helped things. I would definitely argue that there were very different plays called for the offense last night. You are right on 1 thing for sure. Carson can't run that much nor should he and the offense shouldn't need him to if Doug could design an offense. 

22 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The "Hurts is just a dumb RB" takes came a lot faster than I thought they would... even from notoriously awful Philly fans. Given the cult like following Wentz has around here I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. 

Where are these?  I haven't seen that once.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

I wouldn't argue that Hurts running more helped things. I would definitely argue that there were very different plays called for the offense last night. You are right on 1 thing for sure. Carson can't run that much nor should he and the offense shouldn't need him to if Doug could design an offense. 

Freak athleticism covers up so many deficiencies. Hurts was a shining beacon of that last night. The receivers still couldn't separate and despite what everyone is saying the OL didn't look THAT great either. Oh and Pederson's situational play calling was just as potentially catastrophic if not for some great individual efforts.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Clean sweep, bro.   The only coach that has any chance of staying is Stoutland.  If the new coach wants to bring in his own OL guy, I won't stand in the way.

Agreed. No more demotions or special assistants. This team stinks and had been pretty average the last couple years. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Where are these?  I haven't seen that once.

Obvious troll got me.

26 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The "Hurts is just a dumb RB" takes came a lot faster than I thought they would... even from notoriously awful Philly fans. Given the cult like following Wentz has around here I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. 

Nobody said that did they?

19 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

McLeod wasn’t really worth anything as far as a trade. But, damn these contracts and dead money cap hits. Wtf? 
I thought Howie was supposed to be good with the salary cap?

Of course not.  The goal is just to get rid of that guaranteed salary.   Trade him for a conditional 7th round pick in 2029 for all I care.  Just get him off our books for 2022 and beyond... just like many of the 30+ year olds that are overpaid for their production and have big hits at the end of their deals thanks to the voided years Howie tacked on at the end.

  

Howie screwed up royally.  2021 was going to be a problem, even if the salary cap went up... with it going down, it's a disaster.  Hope for the future is that it doesn't contract, but holds steady and the NFL offers some kind of leniency for being over for 2021 and doesn't smash down sanctions.   That said... unless they can get under the cap, I don't see trades as allowable by the NFL, unless they offer some sort of extension to get under the cap by say... draft day instead of the first day of the league year.  If not under the cap by then, a team should forfeit its first round pick.  This would undercut the Eagles getting much value in return for traded players, unless there's a bidding war... but it would open up a world of possibilities to fix it.    That said, if its Howie and Doug trying to fix the problem they created, I am not optimistic that a good result will follow.

Boy the obvious trolls are in full force today. Makes this place insufferable. Tough to weed out the legit good posts and discussions. 

12 minutes ago, greend said:

Hurts played better than Wentz has for most of the games this year. Hurts also ran a ton and Doug also called more runs. 

That #26 isn’t bad. Hope he gets regular touches. 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Some thoughts 

There were times when either Herbig or Driscoll in pass protect had their man get through but the DL did not charge full blast at Hurts because of the run threat.  The left side of the line was much better, especially on the run plays.  There was a play on third and fourth in the third which was a designed run with Mailata on the edge.  Jenkins was in his sights and literally went to the ground rather than let Mailata block him one on one.  Made an arm grasp but essentially took himself out of the play. Driscoll looks like a TE when he stands next to Jordan.  Big man.  Seumalo really helped. 

Hurts is a one look and go guy.  Didn’t look like the WRs were getting open but want to watch the all 22.  Curious to see what Watkins looked like in routes. Nice to see more runs.  When Sanders broke that long TD run, I was yelling the same thing I was I was on the long Scott run last week that was called back.  "F you, Marty (MM)”. Then I recalled that was only like his fifth or so carry of the day.   But then, with the game on the line in the red zone, back to back runs by Boobie and I thought, if Scangarello is really making red zone schemes then Doug has to realize that it is time to kick Marty to the curb.  Nice reverse by Reagor. That TD by Jeffery was the sort of play I expected from JJAW with his roundball background.  Box the DB out with the bigger body.  Ertz actually had a couple decent blocks.

Not sure Schwartz can field a secondary next week.  Seymour at least seems to be able to tackle.  If Hill can pick apart that zone they went to, even the football gods won’t be able to help the team next week.   Need to watch the all 22.  

Singleton is almost there way to often. Needs to actually be there. Riley plays better zone coverage than him.   I believe Riley is a UFA this offseason with Gerry.   Singleton is a RFA.

(This is why I keep saying DB and LB are the biggest needs this offseason.)

DL looked good.  Hargrave really coming on.

Eagles need to solve the PR this offseason.  The roll to the eight pissed me off and the one that barely made it to the end zone did too.  The long field is killing them. 

The ST this year has been hit and miss. The coverage units have been pretty good I've thought. I think the whole staff (not Stoutland), should be canned, including Fipp. The most glaring ST issue is Elliot's consistency. He's been brutal this year. 

14 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Just a guess, cause I dont know your posting style yet, but this seems like a Troll effort here. 

 

Saying Carson is the franchise is trolling?  Unfortunately it seems Wentz haters have taken over the blog.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Nobody said that did they?

One did but now I'm 90% sure it was satire. 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Boy the obvious trolls are in full force today. Makes this place insufferable. Tough to weed out the legit good posts and discussions. 

Got to use the ignore button. 

My heart is hurting for Carson today. The team and the coaches let him down all season, then they show up yesterday when he is out.  Do they hate him that much?