11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How does a game where the starting QB has repeated throwaways and scrambling attempts because no one is open do you come away thinking "the play calling and play design looks extremely better"?   

Hurts looked better because Doug finally did the things that the team did the things they should have been to help Wentz.   They should have been moving the pocket and running more.  Still, it's not like this team looked great.  They looked like a pedestrian offense aside from a few plays.  It wasn't a great offensive performance against a top defense.  It was OK performance that was bolstered by an 80 yard TD run and a QB that made yards scrambling the football.  It's not a fix.  

It's possibly the BEST DEFENSE in the NFL.  When you factor that in, the offensive "numbers" from yesterday look pretty good.

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How does a game where the starting QB has repeated throwaways and scrambling attempts because no one is open do you come away thinking "the play calling and play design looks extremely better"?   

Hurts looked better because Doug finally did the things that the team did the things they should have been to help Wentz.   They should have been moving the pocket and running more.  Still, it's not like this team looked great.  They looked like a pedestrian offense aside from a few plays.  It wasn't a great offensive performance against a top defense.  It was OK performance that was bolstered by an 80 yard TD run and a QB that made yards scrambling the football.  It's not a fix.  

They moved the ball consistently in the first half against the best defense in the league.  Calling that "pedestrian" is laughable, at best.

And the fact that Jalen Hurts was quoted as saying, "Nah, we just ran the plays that have always been in there.  We just executed better" is all I need to hear in terms of whether the play design/play calling was a major issue or not.

 

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I feel bad for Rodney but I've never felt more "meh" about an injury.  Let's see what Wallace and Epps can do.  McLeod makes a nice play here and there but he does little to impact a game IMO.  He played every snap until yesterday so there's that but I just don't think he's that big of a loss.

I’d like to see the offense next week when they’re not going up against the best defense in the NFL. Putting up 24 (should have been more) against them with a rookie QB in his first start is pretty good.

32 minutes ago, BwianWestbwook said:

How funny would it be if Hurts wins the SB this year, Wentz hauled away from the sideline in a straight jacket

Making the playoffs alone would do the trick lol

1 minute ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if everyone returns except maybe the DC. I doubt Jeff wants to move on from Doug or Wentz or Howie out of fear he gets rid of the wrong guy.

My guess is a new addition to the FO to help Howie. The new addition will get some fancy title to make it look like a huge addition.

A new DC to replace Jim Schwartz.

Maybe a new assistant Head Coach too.

And that is why I wasn't really happy with the win yesterday.  It just makes the likelihood of no real changes coming more likely.  This team has steady regressed since the Super Bowl.. and in dramatic fashion.   Poor roster construction.  Clearly no uniform direction from both the front office and coaching staff.  Poor cap management.  Poor use of players in proper roles.  Poor use of players in terms of playing time.  And maybe the single biggest concern is the systemic injury issue... whatever this team is doing as far as strength and conditioning to get their bodies ready for the rigors of an NFL season... they are not doing it right.   I know nothing about it, but I know this... one year with a rash of injuries is a fluke.  Two years is very unlucky.  But this is really 4 years in a row.  Something is very wrong, and these are the guys (Doug and Howie) who are in charge of it.  Howie in terms of the staffing, Doug in terms of practice intensity, etc.

And if they don’t I’ll just use the 27 Wentzcuses for Hurts. 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Chinn is a LB

He is playing LB in Carolina's D, but is also listed as a safety, and played safety and corner in college.

He runs a 4.45, so he is more than fast enough to play safety in the NFL.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not even sure he’s back for the start of the season tbh. I feel like his last ACL happened early in the year so he was. This feels like he might miss a couple weeks to start the year 

I'm sure he's not... which is why they'd need to get an injury settlement to cut him.  He'll likely start on PUP, negating some of his per-game roster bonus money.  But that's it.  And that's a drop in the bucket compared to the $4M they could have gotten if they unloaded him for nothing in return via a trade.

18 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

If the Eagles don't have Slay, Maddox, and McLeod (confirmed, obv) against a team that runs 4 WR as much as anyone in the NFL, they're gonna either have to play ball control or put up at least 30.

If Hurts plays it will be ball control. If Wentz plays it will be a passathon.  

3 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

I personally don't have a dog in this fight, but from a pure numbers standpoint there's no way the Eagles are getting out from under Wentz's contract this off-season. The team is already projected to be $50-60 million over the cap and Wentz costs almost $60 million against the cap to trade or cut. It's not happening. 

I disagree.  It's tough but doable.  Trading Wentz saves $1M on the cap in 2021.  Once you factor in the cap rollover they should be around $40M over the cap.  Likely less than that since the NFL is likely to raise the cap number in deference to this unprecedented situation.

They will be able to cut, trade, and restructure elsewhere enough to get under for 2021.  There's no way they're going to handcuff themselves to Wentz for more years at this point.

4 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

I personally don't have a dog in this fight, but from a pure numbers standpoint there's no way the Eagles are getting out from under Wentz's contract this off-season. The team is already projected to be $50-60 million over the cap and Wentz costs almost $60 million against the cap to trade or cut. It's not happening. 

He doesn't cost that to trade.  He's basically a net 0 move if traded.   But, they can't trade him with the salary cap issue being figured out first.  And that's a hole.  A deep deep hole.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

If Hurts plays it will be ball control. If Wentz plays it will be a passathon.  

Hurts is the starter next week. I hope to see a bit more downfield throws from him. 

I'm going on record as saying you have to start Hurts this week,  he lead the team to a win.

Caption this 

I would rather win with Hurts than lose with Wentz. I don’t want to go into next year and hearing the same Wentzcuses around week 4 that the oline isn’t good enough or someone’s feeling are hurt cause of a draft pick or Doug didn’t call any plays to his strengths.  

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Hurts is the starter next week. I hope to see a bit more downfield throws from him. 

Officially?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And that is why I wasn't really happy with the win yesterday.  It just makes the likelihood of no real changes coming more likely.  This team has steady regressed since the Super Bowl.. and in dramatic fashion.   Poor roster construction.  Clearly no uniform direction from both the front office and coaching staff.  Poor cap management.  Poor use of players in proper roles.  Poor use of players in terms of playing time.  And maybe the single biggest concern is the systemic injury issue... whatever this team is doing as far as strength and conditioning to get their bodies ready for the rigors of an NFL season... they are not doing it right.   I know nothing about it, but I know this... one year with a rash of injuries is a fluke.  Two years is very unlucky.  But this is really 4 years in a row.  Something is very wrong, and these are the guys (Doug and Howie) who are in charge of it.  Howie in terms of the staffing, Doug in terms of practice intensity, etc.

Didn't they change the whole medical staff and did they also change the strength/conditioning staff as well?  If so then what left as far as the common denominator?  Seems Doug's 'light' practices aren't getting the players into proper game shape and thus why such a rash of injuries.  Most especially the soft tissue variety.

 

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I disagree.  It's tough but doable.  Trading Wentz saves $1M on the cap in 2021.  Once you factor in the cap rollover they should be around $40M over the cap.  Likely less than that since the NFL is likely to raise the cap number in deference to this unprecedented situation.

They will be able to cut, trade, and restructure elsewhere enough to get under for 2021.  There's no way they're going to handcuff themselves to Wentz for more years at this point.

The rollover is already factored in, and they are $65M over. Only way it goes down is if the cap number raises. 
 

Wentz is only a wash if you trade him within 3 days of the new league year before the team has to pay his roster bonus. You would need to convince a team to complete the trade in 3 days so they pay the bonus, otherwise it’s a $10M cap hit to trade him 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Officially?

Yes

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They moved the ball consistently in the first half against the best defense in the league.  Calling that "pedestrian" is laughable, at best.

And the fact that Jalen Hurts was quoted as saying, "Nah, we just ran the plays that have always been in there.  We just executed better" is all I need to hear in terms of whether the play design/play calling was a major issue or not.

 

I didn't need to hear from him to know that it was a different set of plays.  Many of them were the same.  Many others were not.  How many designed rollouts were called this game versus what we've seen in the past?   There were close to a dozen... with Wentz its closer to 1, maybe 2 per game.   How many end arounds and reverses have we seen with Reagor?  1 up to this week, and only last week against GB.   How many flanker screens went to Greg Ward?  0.  How many went to non-Greg Wards?  At least 2 by my count - 1 to Reagor, 1 to Sanders.   How many designed QB runs do they call with Wentz?  Pretty much only sneaks... and they work nearly all of the time.   How many designed runs were there for Hurts?  About a dozen... and he got stuffed on the only sneak.  

It wasn't the same game plan.  Hurts did what he was asked to do.  He wasn't asked to do much, other than make a read, and then run.  He did it.  But, that's not to say that the offense looked 'good'.  That first drive, some folks were beside themselves with how 'good' it looked.  It was like 15 plays for 45 yards or something... and resulted in a punt after two penalties pushed them back.  We've seen that before.  Very much the same result... just a different number behind center.  This is still a poorly coached team, with a weak scheme and weak personnel.  Hurts' legs masked a bit of it.  But, it wasn't some turning of the corner for this offense.  

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The rollover is already factored in, and they are $65M over. Only way it goes down is if the cap number raises. 
 

Wentz is only a wash if you trade him within 3 days of the new league year before the team has to pay his roster bonus. You would need to convince a team to complete the trade in 3 days so they pay the bonus, otherwise it’s a $10M cap hit to trade him 

Correct on both fronts.  

4 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Didn't they change the whole medical staff and did they also change the strength/conditioning staff as well?  If so then what left as far as the common denominator?  Seems Doug's 'light' practices aren't getting the players into proper game shape and thus why such a rash of injuries.  Most especially the soft tissue variety.

Like I said... I don't know enough to know anything.  But, while changing out the GM and all the coaches... bring in all new everything.  Doesn't bother me.

Kyler Murray is going to bomb us back into a good draft pick. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The rollover is already factored in, and they are $65M over. Only way it goes down is if the cap number raises. 
 

Wentz is only a wash if you trade him within 3 days of the new league year before the team has to pay his roster bonus. You would need to convince a team to complete the trade in 3 days so they pay the bonus, otherwise it’s a $10M cap hit to trade him 

No I don't believe the rollover is factored in.  Here you can see the total for 2021 showing them $65M over the cap.  Nowhere is the rollover of $23M in 2020 cap space accounted for.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles/

So like I said, around $40M over the cap if we trade Wentz away.  You are correct that it would need to be within 3 days of the new league year to avoid an additional $10M cap hit to us.

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The rollover is already factored in, and they are $65M over. Only way it goes down is if the cap number raises. 
 

Wentz is only a wash if you trade him within 3 days of the new league year before the team has to pay his roster bonus. You would need to convince a team to complete the trade in 3 days so they pay the bonus, otherwise it’s a $10M cap hit to trade him 

Yup.   Of course, the 3 day deadline is meaningless.  If the Eagles are looking to trade Wentz, they will be negotiating with some team long before that window opens... and will work out whatever details needs to be done in time.   No team trades for a player like Wentz on a whim... and no team trades away a player like Wentz on a whim.  The negotiation on that likely starts around Super Bowl week... and then goes hush hush until they can legally announce things.