1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was most definitely by design.   But, that design is not sustainable.  So, if this is going to be Hurts' job moving forward, he needs a coaching staff that is going to DEVELOP him, not one that's going to ride his legs.  That's unsustainable.  It's been proven time and time again.   It's sustainable for success in college, because they get new QBs every 2 - 4 years, max.  The QB in those situations (as you say) is often the most gifted athlete on the field, so he can just 'out-athlete' most of the defenses he faces and you can build a great, successful and winning program over the long haul that way.  1 read, maybe 2 in the passing game, then use the athleticism to take a bad play call and turn it into a first down anyway.  Lather, rinse, repeat.   In the NFL, that catches up quickly to QBs.  1 - they are no longer the best athlete on the field.  Even the greatest athlete QBs have equally strong athletes on the field with them.  and the defensive lineman they are trying to avoid are also freakishly more athletic that nearly all of the DL they faced in college.  2 - they lose that athleticism fairly quickly.  A twisted ankle here, banged up knee there... and they just aren't the same when they are taking lots of hits.  Their bodies aren't used to that kind of punishment (compared to a RB) and even the RBs have very short lived careers overall.  So, the QB can't just outrun everyone like he did at 22-25 years old in the NFL.  3 - it can catch NFL defenses off-guard for a little while, but eventually they catch up to it.  We all saw what happened to the Ravens in the playoffs last two years.  Generally, better defenses, aka the ones you see in the playoffs, just aren't fooled by it.  

I totally agree. Time and time again yesterday Hurts had wide open room to run out on the outside. Repeatedly, Cam Jordan was lagging behind him... not every team has a 31 year old pass rusher setting that edge. Furthermore, if you think  cardinals wont game plan for his mobility, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

52 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Caption this 

Coach P: 'Carson.....no ice cream for you.'

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not going to get into this today. 

If yesterday's performance doesn't show that it IS NOT a poorly coached team...or at least it wasn't last night, I don't know what to tell you.  They beat THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE WITH A ROOKIE QB IN HIS FIRST START.  HELLO.  

 

 I'll just sit back and watch the rest of the season as it unfolds...and my best guess the more we see of this offense, the more it will show that it's NOT A POORLY COACHED TEAM.

 

I appreciate the caps -- but the Eagles are a poorly coached team. 

Hurts played very well for a #2 QB, which is what all fans should be happy with.  Hurts playing well is not a bad thing for the team.  Unfortunately, he's not at the level of a top 10-15 NFL #1 QB just because he ran 18 times for 106 yards.  Defenses are going to shut that down. 

Can he make downfield throws accurately?  Consistently?  I would bet no -- but I'd like to see more.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 If Wentz is traded, currently stands at 81 million with 29 players under contract, did a strike though for players who are not under contract for 2022.  Then you are taking 13 million away from that future number just to get under the cap next year, plus you need money to fill the roster and sign draft picks in 2021 and 2022.

If they trade Wentz, the cap isn't an issue after next year. Do all the math you want. If his salary comes off the books in 2022, they are fine.

1 minute ago, greend said:

It's tongue in cheek 

I'm in an Eagles facebook group and there's people that think he's the next Wilson

Also seen some that think he's the future

Saw one saying that we can pull another 2017 underdog SB run

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The part that nobody thinks about, yes, you can cut a bunch of players to get under the cap, but who is going to replace those players ??

Right now, you are 13 million over the cap with only 40 players on the roster.

Roster would be

QB - Wentz, Hurts

RB - Sanders, Huntley

WR - Reagor, JJAW, Hightower, Fulgham, Watkins

TE - Goedert

OL - Johnson, Brooks, Kelce, Seumalo, Dillard, Pryor, Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig, Opeta, Toth, Juriga

DE - Graham, Sweat, Avery

DT - Cox, Jackson, Hargrave

LB - Taylor, Edwards, Bradley

CB - Slay, Maddox, James, Jacquet

S - McLeod, Wallace, Epps

ST - Elliott, Lovato

How are you paying the rest of the players needed to fill out the 2021 roster ??

Then if you do a bunch of restructures, you are eating the 2022 cap number.  If Wentz is traded, currently stands at 81 million with 29 players under contract, did a strike though for players who are not under contract for 2022.  Then you are taking 13 million away from that future number just to get under the cap next year, plus you need money to fill the roster and sign draft picks in 2021 and 2022.  So you are more realistically looking at 56 million in 2022 just to cover the rookies and getting under this years cap.  

 

 

No one is denying that 2021 is a lost year.  We have to take the bitter medicine as much as possible that season.  Need to restructure enough to open up $13M plus enough to sign draft picks and vet min / street free agents to fill our the roster.  So probably need to open up around $23M total.

Can easily be done by restructuring 2 big deals, like Cox and Hargrave for example.  Then you're looking at a much better situation in 2022 and onwards.

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

You can nitpick details for any NFL game.  Bottom line is that the Eagles, with Jalen Hurts at QB, just knocked off the #1 seed in the NFC and were in control for the entire game.  They're not as bad as you claim.  Washers are trying to blame everyone and anyone outside of Carson, but your apologetics just took a massive blow yesterday.

It was a fun game but is in no way a solid predictor of the future.  I'd say they lost control in the 3rd qtr then had a drive to get back momentum in the fourth then tried to give it back with another QB fumble at a crucial moment which bad teams will do.  

It was fun to watch Hurts.  I have no faith Doug and his staff can make him better.  If Breeze is playing in that game the Eagles get smoked whether it is Hurts or Carson or Foles at QB.  Again, fun game but it was not a paradigm shifting victory like you make it out to be.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Wrong. This is not a well coached team

 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Putting your response in all caps doesn't make this a well coached team.  

We shall see between now and the end of the season. 

But like others have said, Doug Pederson's record with all QB's not names Carson Wentz is 11-3.

 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Know anyone?

We'll there's a young guy on the roster who has been pretty good so far.  Maybe we should give him a chance before writing him off?  But I suppose that's too much to ask of Carson Wentz fanboys.  5 years of rope for Carson but Hurts ain't the guy even before he plays.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I appreciate the caps -- but the Eagles are a poorly coached team. 

Hurts played very well for a #2 QB, which is what all fans should be happy with.  Hurts playing well is not a bad thing for the team.  Unfortunately, he's not at the level of a top 10-15 NFL #1 QB just because he ran 18 times for 106 yards.  Defenses are going to shut that down. 

Can he make downfield throws accurately?  Consistently?  I would bet no -- but I'd like to see more.

He's a rookie QB who just played his 1st NFL start and beat the best defense in the league.  Time will tell how much he improves and adapts to the game at the NFL level but for his first start, he did great.

 

And Pederson is 11-3 with all QB's not named Carson Wentz.  Go figure that one out.

 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

If they trade Wentz, the cap isn't an issue after next year. Do all the math you want. If his salary comes off the books in 2022, they are fine.

I did do all the math I wanted, and clearly illustrated that all of the cutting and restructuring needed, and then trading Wentz leaves them with 29 current under contract players, 14 rookies, totallng 43 players on the roster and only 50 million in cap room for 2022.  Then what if Kelce retires, Graham retires ??

Just now, Ace Nova said:

He's a rookie QB who just played his 1st NFL start and beat the best defense in the league.  Time will tell how much he improves and adapts to the game at the NFL level but for his first start, he did great.

 

And Pederson is 11-3 with all QB's not named Carson Wentz.  Go figure that one out.

 

Wentz is 18-2 when Pederson has him throwing less than 32 times in a game.  18-2 is better than 11-3; nothing much to figure out

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

 

We shall see between now and the end of the season. 

But like others have said, Doug Pederson's record with all QB's not names Carson Wentz is 11-3.

 

Of course, during the SB season Doug's record with Carson was 11-2 averaging over 36 points per game.  That ain't bad.

1 hour ago, greend said:

If Hurts plays it will be ball control. If Wentz plays it will be a passathon.  

Yes cause everyone has it out for Wentz....

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not going to get into this today. 

If yesterday's performance doesn't show that it IS NOT a poorly coached team...or at least it wasn't last night, I don't know what to tell you.  They beat THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE WITH A ROOKIE QB IN HIS FIRST START.  HELLO.  

 

 I'll just sit back and watch the rest of the season as it unfolds...and my best guess the more we see of this offense, the more it will show that it's NOT A POORLY COACHED TEAM.

 

 

Last night showed me what I have preached the entire time.  We need a running game.   It is hard to lose in the NFL when you rush the ball 30+ times for 250 yards.  If you think running a QB 18 times a game is a game plan that has long term success in the NFL then you are sorely mistaken.   If you think running the ball 35+ times a game is something Doug wants to do then you are also mistaken.  

I am very interested in seeing how the offense works when the other team takes away Hurts runs.  Can he make enough plays with his arm to be a factor in the NFL?  I am very interested in finding that out in the next 3 games as now teams have some tape on him. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm in an Eagles facebook group and there's people that think he's the next Wilson

Also seen some that think he's the future

Saw one saying that we can pull another 2017 underdog SB run

I mean all that would be nice but...........................................low percentage

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It was a fun game but is in no way a solid predictor of the future.  I'd say they lost control in the 3rd qtr then had a drive to get back momentum in the fourth then tried to give it back with another QB fumble at a crucial moment which bad teams will do.  

It was fun to watch Hurts.  I have no faith Doug and his staff can make him better.  If Breeze is playing in that game the Eagles get smoked whether it is Hurts or Carson or Foles at QB.  Again, fun game but it was not a paradigm shifting victory like you make it out to be.

No it didn't "shift" the paradigm.  But it is significant evidence that your paradigm of "Wentz is good, everyone else is making him look bad" was wrong from the start.

Did Genard Avery play any snaps yesterday?  How's that 4th round pick looking.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wentz is 18-2 when Pederson has him throwing less than 32 times in a game.  18-2 is better than 11-3; nothing much to figure out

 

Wow, just have Doug limit Carson's throws to under 32 and we'll win 90% of the time!  Brilliant!!!

Just now, jwill2420 said:

Yes cause everyone has it out for Wentz....

Too bad this post showed up but since it did. Where did I say that? You guys that are hurtin for Hurts can't admit that we played with more runs and rollouts yesterday? You can't admit that Hurts is a better runner than he is passer? You can't admit that Doug completely goes away from the run when Wentz is in? Get some new glasses if you can't.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He's a rookie QB who just played his 1st NFL start and beat the best defense in the league.  Time will tell how much he improves and adapts to the game at the NFL level but for his first start, he did great.

 

And Pederson is 11-3 with all QB's not named Carson Wentz.  Go figure that one out.

 

This 11-3 is weird.  Nick hasn't been an Eagle for 2 seasons.  So while it is OK to use the past for this argument, Carson's record as a rookie and in 2017 are off limits?  

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Wow, just have Doug limit Carson's throws to under 32 and we'll win 90% of the time!  Brilliant!!!

I mean it also worked last night right? 

Kind of worry for the rookie. Philly fans will lift you up high if you're doing great but also stomp on you when you're doing bad. If he flames out in these last few games...

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Yes cause everyone has it out for Wentz....

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.  So called Eagles fans have made a "Golden Calf" out of Carson Wentz.

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Wow, just have Doug limit Carson's throws to under 32 and we'll win 90% of the time!  Brilliant!!!

See .... you're finally getting it.  A balanced offense with a prudent game plan helps your QB win.  Took you long enough