2 minutes ago, phil77 said:

I mean it also worked last night right? 

Sure it "worked" lol.  I suggest you read this:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

He's a rookie QB who just played his 1st NFL start and beat the best defense in the league.  Time will tell how much he improves and adapts to the game at the NFL level but for his first start, he did great.

 

And Pederson is 11-3 with all QB's not named Carson Wentz.  Go figure that one out.

 

You realize that 10 of those wins are with Nick Foles.  5 of them are from a team that was 11-2 with Wentz.  Again, if you think Wentz has been the only issue holding this team back then I guess we will see.  Regardless of Hurts, the team needs to improve the offensive talent and scheme.  Getting rid of the GM should be first step.  Getting rid of Doug is also part of what needs to change.   

Doug's reaction is awesome

 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I did do all the math I wanted, and clearly illustrated that all of the cutting and restructuring needed, and then trading Wentz leaves them with 29 current under contract players, 14 rookies, totallng 43 players on the roster and only 50 million in cap room for 2022.  Then what if Kelce retires, Graham retires ??

Not that it matters, since it will be two years until you are completely wrong, but you don't have enough understanding of the cap or the basic structuring of NFL salaries to even be having this conversation. You are just looking at a website and jumping to opnclusions.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

No it didn't "shift" the paradigm.  But it is significant evidence that your paradigm of "Wentz is good, everyone else is making him look bad" was wrong from the start.

I don't think everyone is making him look bad, I think his coach is.  I think there are coaches who would coach him and therefore the team to success.   Wentz is good, not today, but he is good.  I hope Hirts will be good too.  I don't think Doug is the coach to lead him.  Doug sucks.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

See .... you're finally getting it.  A balanced offense with a prudent game plan helps your QB win.  Took you long enough

What a genius you are.  Next time don't let Carson throw it after he gets up to 31 throws and we're 90% likely to win!  What a breakthrough!

Please get word to Doug asap so we can win the next 5 chips! 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Doug's reaction is awesome

 

😅
Doug doesn't need to do that to get more out of his backup QBs.

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Too bad this post showed up but since it did. Where did I say that? You guys that are hurtin for Hurts can't admit that we played with more runs and rollouts yesterday? You can't admit that Hurts is a better runner than he is passer? You can't admit that Doug completely goes away from the run when Wentz is in? Get some new glasses if you can't.

Guess what?  You can run more when your QB isn't putting the team into a 14 point hole with terrible play.  Funny how that works.

And Doug already said he's been calling rollouts and Carson has been audibling out of them.  So even that is your boy's fault.

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Not that it matters, since it will be two years until you are completely wrong, but you don't have enough understanding of the cap or the basic structuring of NFL salaries to even be having this conversation. You are just looking at a website and jumping to opnclusions.

I understand that the Eagles have to get under the cap to start the 2021 league year.  They either have to cut players, which they have to pay to replace, or restructure contracts which eats into the 2022 cap.  It is the reason we are in this situation to begin with.

57 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Of course. My main thinking point is how do you convince them to pay that bonus? Eagles lose leverage and it probably hurts the compensation. It’s going to come down to teams asking themselves should we just wait till day 4 so we don’t pay the bonus or does waiting kill the deal? And how bad do we want a reclamation project?

You don't.   Team trading for him would look to restructure his contract immediately upon acquiring him.   If Wentz wants out and a restart elsewhere, he'll take it. Remember... he's already gotten the signing bonus from the Eagles.  He's due $35M from the Eagles in new money from the Eagles.  But, he might take less (and significantly less) to get out of here if he's unhappy with Doug and Co. and they are back.  Why would he want to stay?     But, from the Eagles' side... they are stuck either way.     

The negotiation tactic from the Eagles side is, we'd be willing to move him for "X + Y" if you take the trade before this bonus hits... but if the bonus hits... We are going to need "X + Y + Z".  So, the price goes up if the Eagles have more sunk costs in Wentz.   Who knows what his value is right now though?  

 

But, I don't see a trade as viable, as the Eagles would still need to be under the cap.  I just don't see a way to make that happen without a Wentz restructure of some kind.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Kind of worry for the rookie. Philly fans will lift you up high if you're doing great but also stomp on you when you're doing bad. If he flames out in these last few games...

You don't need to worry.  Jalen Hurts isn't mentally fragile, unlike some other QB's in town...

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I might want DP back, for that alone.  Hilarious.  

But what about the water bottle and the wink?

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You can run more when your QB isn't putting the team into a 14 point whole with terrible play.

Seahawks game, 1st and 5 after a penalty, scoreless game, Doug went pass, pass, pass.

53 minutes ago, downundermike said:

13 for 39

Thanks.  3 yards per snap.  That's incredibly feeble.  This isn't 1939.

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That sideline pass that almost got picked off, was Detmer (pick one) like  

It should have been picked. It should have likely been a pick six or got it in at least field goal range if that defender could catch a football. It would’ve changed the entire game. Goes from 17-14 punting the ball to the Saints to 21-17 and at worse Saints have the ball deep in eagles territory with momentum and the defense down multiple secondary players. When you watch the replay of the game it was a really bad pass. Like we grill wentz for that type of pass. The only difference is hurts is a rookie and the defender dropped it. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Seahawks game, 1st and 5 after a penalty, scoreless game, Doug went pass, pass, pass.

He's a troll 

From watching game, it wasn't clear how Wentz was interacting with Hurts between possessions. He was schooled on how to do it well by Foles and the expectation would be the same kind of support for Hurts. Did anyone catch this? Just curious about how he is handling the demotion.

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Agreed, $176M is the doomsday scenario that all the sites are showing because of the uncertainty. I think at worst it will be flat from this year. 

That's the hope... and makes digging out feasible... but still not good.  Alshon, Desean and Goodwin, plus move all possible money to signing bonus from Wentz in 2021 means they just cut $35M off that deficit.  Which is roughly where they'd need to get to meet the number for 2021 if the cap stays flat.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Seahawks game, 1st and 5 after a penalty, scoreless game, Doug went pass, pass, pass.

Holy small sample size Batman!

Over a large data set, do teams, including teams coached by Doug Pedersen, run more when they are ahead or when they are behind?

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

You don't need to worry.  Jalen Hurts isn't mentally fragile, unlike some other QB's in town...

Powerful assumptions.  

1 minute ago, Next_Up said:

From watching game, it wasn't clear how Wentz was interacting with Hurts between possessions. He was schooled on how to do it well by Foles and the expectation would be the same kind of support for Hurts. Did anyone catch this? Just curious about how he is handling the demotion.

I saw him pat Hurts on the helmet after the t.d. pass

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You don't.   Team trading for him would look to restructure his contract immediately upon acquiring him.

Of all the dumb things posted on the internet today...

Why would a team restructure a deal in which they get a qb for $25 million and a chance to get out of the deal after a year?

So they can shove more guaranteed money at him?

His deal is great for whatever team trades for him. There is no way they would restructure it. 

Well, well...