5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

That's all fine and dandy, but what incentive do I have as a team trading for him to give him a new deal?  He's under contract so he needs to play.  He'd look like a world-class turd holding out for a new deal after this abomination of a season.

Wentz' option is to get his game together and play to a high level.  With that, he can either re-claim his starter role with the team or get other teams to trade for him.  Holding out or demanding a trade won't do him any good.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except it's Wentz running the scout team now as the #2.

And Mills has a history of making QB's look good.

Shaun Bradley!

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'm not sure how it would benefit the Eagles to restructure Wentz' contract prior to a trade.  No matter what we're on the hook for the prorated signing bonus.  The salaries and roster bonuses would go to the new team so we wouldn't be responsible for them.

I'm talking about the team that trades for Carson. I was under the impression that if a team traded for him and re-did his deal then we'd be off the hook for his 2021 money. Otherwise we'd still be paying his guaranteed money which affects his cap.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He had a higher completion percentage, and became the first Eagles QB to throw for 400 yards in 2019.  So no, it wasn't.  He also improved his completion percentage in 2018.

It is obvious you hate the guy, you got your wish, why don't you move on.

Cherry picking one metric to make him look good in a particular season doesn't fool anyone.  Everyone who's been paying attention can see the guy has been getting worse steadily since 2017 leading to the total meltdown this year.

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie's drafting hasn't sucked?   OK.   Convince me.

Some other time - I have to go to work soon and this is a long conversation. But I will leave it with this ... it's context and circumstance. Ultimately Howie is responsible because he's the GM and I'm confident that he would say exactly that as well. But as a phan I'm free to look at the nuts and bolts of things and IMO a lot of what Howie is blamed for isn't his fault and then he doesn't get credit for things he's done right - example of this would be Jordan Matthews - Howie often gets ripped for this pick - but his critics always fail to mention that Matthews is the WR that Chip wanted ... IN THE 1st ROUND. As per Chip ... Howie talked him out of taking Matthews with their 1st convincing him that Matthews would be there with the 2nd. So they traded down - and then took Marcus Smith - really they should have just traded out of the 1st round - there wasn't a pick for them where they were and I honestly think if not for Chip they either trade up initially or trade back again out of the 1st round.

Howie's problem (and while at one time I didn't think it was a big problem I've come to the conclusion that it's a major problem) is that he is not a talent evaluator - he is an information gatherer - great at telling you where a player will be drafted - not so great at telling if a player will be good. And so he has to rely on others (Joe Douglas et al) opinions. A GM needs to have his own reliable opinion - I'm not saying ignore your staff for the sake of your own opinion - but at least have one. That's why we end up with JJAW instead of DK Metcalf. Thats why we end up with Marcus Smith instead of trading out of the first and maybe taking Tim Jernigan in the early 2nd.

Yes it's Howie - but no it's not really Howie. Roseman needs to be the guy supporting the GM not the other way around. 

49 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not going to get into this today. 

If yesterday's performance doesn't show that it IS NOT a poorly coached team...or at least it wasn't last night, I don't know what to tell you.  They beat THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE WITH A ROOKIE QB IN HIS FIRST START.  HELLO.  

 

 I'll just sit back and watch the rest of the season as it unfolds...and my best guess the more we see of this offense, the more it will show that it's NOT A POORLY COACHED TEAM.

 

This is where you lose credibility and are seen as someone who lacks objectivity and will only discuss or mention things that fit your narrative.  You think the ONLY reason we beat NO was because of a QB change?  Then you fail to understand the TEAM game of football.

NO had their backup QB who is a gadget running QB yet Payton failed to use him as such when other teams have proven that mobile/running QBs can beat our D.  So for some inexplicable reason they played an O scheme that was more easily defended by our D instead of one that has given our D problems in previous games.  But I guess that doesn't count for anything because it doesn't fit your narrative.

On the other side of the ball, NO failed to game plan for Hurts running ability and he beat them more with his legs than his arm.  He did only have 5.6 YPA, which is well below average.  But when they adjusted their D they held the Eagles to 7 points in the 2nd half (and that was thanks to a TO and short field) and contained his runs for the most part. 

Our entire DL played lights out and the D created 2 TOs, which guess what?  In the other games the D created more than 1 TO.....we WON the game.  But I guess that doesn't count for anything because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

You really think they didn't adjust the O a bit just because Hurts said so (which you've only quoted that 3X already that I've seen today).  BTW, Brian Westbrook disagrees with him.  Again, last 4 games with Wentz they had 75% to 25% pass to run ratio.  This game they had 56% to 44% and more rushing yards than passing yards.  So when you have a struggling QB how is a 75% pass rate not bad coaching?  How about we wait until Hurts has to throw 75% of the time before declaring him the saviour of the Eagles?  Or let's see what happens when the opposing D either takes away or limits Hurts ability to run the ball and forces him to throw and to make throws down field?  You're seriously stoking yourself over just one game where there were multiple factors and performances that went into the victory?  I think most of us will hold out judgement for a larger sample size with more factors to base an opinion on.

 

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Has Lane Johnson every played a full season? If so, it's been a while. We need 3 tackles. 

I think last season he had the ankle injury that he waited until August of this year to get surgery for. So he was dealing with healing the ankle but then had the neck and knee injury this year

He's a great RT when healthy but he can't stay healthy. Problem is I don't think we can move on from him or Brooks

16 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Oh god the memories.  Jon Gruden is truly a genius for making that guy look so good.  I think he said he had to adjust his offense for Hoying because he "wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer" lol.

The Seattle game to start the 1998 season was the saddest day.  Full realization that he totally sucked

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I'm talking about the team that trades for Carson. I was under the impression that if a team traded for him and re-did his deal that we'd be off the hook for his 2021 money.

If a team trades for him then we're off the hook for his 2021 (and future) money regardless of if the new team re-does his deal or not.  All we're responsible for is the prorated portion of the signing bonus which hasn't hit our cap yet, which would be the $34M dead cap hit in 2021.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Problem is I don't think we can move on from him or Brooks

Nor do I think we should. I think we need a 3rd tackle who can play either side. Either Dillard or Milata can be that guy. 

57 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He does. However they also lost to Daniel jones who scored 27 against them. Frankly I think Daniel Jones is a bottom 3rd of the league QB.  I actually think the Giants are a good play maker on the outside and a quarterback away from being a pretty good team. Their defense was not the issue yesterday. They ineptitude of their offense allow for the Cardinals to keep adding points.

In the game the Eagles won, I believe the Giants had a 97 yard TD drive too. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  Let’s try this.  Who were you?

?

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

In the game the Eagles won, I believe the Giants had a 97 yard TD drive too. 

They had two drives of 8 plays 85 yards and 6 plays 75. The browns had one of 4 plays of 79. Seahawks 6 for 68. 7 for 66. Packers 7 plays 82 and 7 plays 99. It’s been a growing problem along with big plays. Even yesterday sanders had a 37 yard td reception. That’s i want to say the 13th 30+ yard play since the bye. 

8 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Cherry picking one metric to make him look good in a particular season doesn't fool anyone.  Everyone who's been paying attention can see the guy has been getting worse steadily since 2017 leading to the total meltdown this year.

He had a higher completion percentage in 2018 and 2019 than he had in 2017.  He had more yards in 2019 than 2017.  He had a higher QB rating in 2018 than in 2017.  Higher yards per attempt in 2018 than 2017.  Is than enough metrics for you ??

 

4 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Some other time - I have to go to work soon and this is a long conversation. But I will leave it with this ... it's context and circumstance. Ultimately Howie is responsible because he's the GM and I'm confident that he would say exactly that as well. But as a phan I'm free to look at the nuts and bolts of things and IMO a lot of what Howie is blamed for isn't his fault and then he doesn't get credit for things he's done right - example of this would be Jordan Matthews - Howie often gets ripped for this pick - but his critics always fail to mention that Matthews is the WR that Chip wanted ... IN THE 1st ROUND. As per Chip ... Howie talked him out of taking Matthews with their 1st convincing him that Matthews would be there with the 2nd. So they traded down - and then took Marcus Smith - really they should have just traded out of the 1st round - there wasn't a pick for them where they were and I honestly think if not for Chip they either trade up initially or trade back again out of the 1st round.

Howie's problem (and while at one time I didn't think it was a big problem I've come to the conclusion that it's a major problem) is that he is not a talent evaluator - he is an information gatherer - great at telling you where a player will be drafted - not so great at telling if a player will be good. And so he has to rely on others (Joe Douglas et al) opinions. A GM needs to have his own reliable opinion - I'm not saying ignore your staff for the sake of your own opinion - but at least have one. That's why we end up with JJAW instead of DK Metcalf. Thats why we end up with Marcus Smith instead of trading out of the first and maybe taking Tim Jernigan in the early 2nd.

Yes it's Howie - but no it's not really Howie. Roseman needs to be the guy supporting the GM not the other way around. 

Sure.   But, Howie's not supporting, he's also the one doing the contracts... which are terrible.

 

As for the top... using Howie stopping Chip Kelly from making stupid decisions isn't much of a defense of Howie.  That's like trying to figure out if Beavis is the dumber one, or is it Butthead?

 

Coming out of that draft with Marcus Smith, Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff is likely all Chip's fault... but at the same time... its Howie's fault too.  Because it happened under his watch.  This team hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler other than Carson Wentz's 2017 season, since Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz in 2013.   The 2014 draft is a complete washout.  2015 only Hicks became a productive player for this team, and they couldn't really resign him due to their cap issues and his injury history.  2016 was pretty good, all things considered.

 

But, your final point is the most important one.  This structure is broken.  It won't get fixed with Howie getting a demotion again.  Especially if he's still handling contracts.  He kicked the can too many times.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except it's Wentz running the scout team now as the #2.

No wonder they started forcing turnovers...

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They had two drives of 8 plays 85 yards and 6 plays 75. The browns had one of 4 plays of 79. Seahawks 6 for 68. 7 for 66. Packers 7 plays 82 and 7 plays 99. It’s been a growing problem along with big plays. Even yesterday sanders had a 37 yard td reception. That’s i want to say the 13th 30+ yard play since the bye. 

I mean it's no mystery that they have poor play at safety.  

8 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The Seattle game to start the 1998 season was the saddest day.  Full realization that he totally sucked

Remember the Cincinnati game the year before and the shootout vs Boomer Esiason. I admit I got on the Hoying bandwagon. 

59 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nice effort sport.  
 

 

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

McNabb didnt have a dozen designed runs in any start he ever made with Andy Reid, or even close to it.  Look it up.

Context.  McNabb didn't start his first game of his career against the top ranked defense in the league either.  And RPO wasn't part of Reid's system back then either. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

Give me a Brady type quarterback over a running quarterback every time

Yup Teams that win consistently, WIN FROM THE POCKET

34 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

For the Schwartz never adjusts crowd...

Awesome. 4 years later vs a 2nd string TE playing QB. To late, He’s gotta go with the others. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean it's no mystery that they have poor play at safety.  

Yup i don’t know what people are watching with mcleod. He hasn’t been that good this year. He has been average which just appears better cause the rest of the secondary besides slay stinks. But their safety position is bottom half of the league with mcleod. without mcleod it’s even worse. Again goes back to poor planning at the position when they knew Malcolm was getting older and McLeod’s contract was coming up. They continuously ignored it yesterday after year. Before they drafted wallace the last safety they drafted who was drafted to be a safety was Ed Reynolds.