2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I fully expect somehow some way Jason peters will be on this team next year. Like kelce retires and he says he’ll play center. 

That's why he's having surgery now, so he'll be good to go by the time Training Camp begins.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 TD to Ward against Seattle

????? Greg Ward had 1 catch for 3 yards against Seattle.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

That's why he's having surgery now, so he'll be good to go by the time Training Camp begins.

Just now, downundermike said:

????? Greg Ward had 1 catch for 3 yards against Seattle.

I meant GB.  When Hurts actually played.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Hurts was throwing bombs left and right during  his senior year in college. His passing ability is drastically underrated among many around here.  He dropped two beautiful, long dimes to Reagor and the TD to Ward against Seattle.  Both those passes were placed exactly where they needed to be. 

We'll see.  I hope you're right.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I meant GB.  When Hurts actually played.  

Well make it easier on the rest of us and actually say what you mean.

Clearly the game plan was to run Hurts, how many of his runs were designed runs? It’s not like he looked panicked and just dropped his first read and ran the whole game. He had poise the whole game.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

We'll see.  I hope you're right.

And to be clear, no one is nominating Jalen Hurts the franchise QB yet.  He still has a long way to go and I'm willing to bet he would say it himself.   This isn't an A or B situation.  We're nowhere near that point yet. 

Carson Wentz could get his issues fixed in the offseason and come back strong next year.  If that happens, there is no "QB controversy". 

This entire "Hurts vs Wentz" thing has been drummed up mostly by Wentz die hards who seem to think that benching a QB will ruin his career...although I've given about a dozen examples how that's not really the case.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

And to be clear, no one is nominating Jalen Hurts the franchise QB yet.  He still has a long way to go and I'm willing to bet he would say it himself.   This isn't an A or B situation.  We're nowhere near that point yet. 

Carson Wentz could get his issues fixed in the offseason and come back strong next year.  If that happens, there is no "QB controversy". 

This entire "Hurts vs Wentz" thing has been drummed up mostly by Wentz die hards who seem to think that benching a QB will ruin his career...although I've given about a dozen examples how that's not really the case.

Bingo this 

Thing is we still don't have a definitive answer as to why Hurts was drafted. Was it to flip him later on? Was it as insurance for Wentz getting hurt? Did Howie draft him to eventually replace Wentz? Was Doug on board with the Hurts pick?

We have heard these scenarios all floated out there at one time or another, but nothing has been cemented. If we knew why Howie drafted him it would help understand what he really thinks of Wentz going forward.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Well make it easier on the rest of us and actually say what you mean.

Really?  I'll make sure never to make a typo again.

 Anyone who has watched the team this year knew the exact two plays I was discussing, against the team I was discussing.  You probably knew it as well but you felt the need to be antagonistic about it.  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, this is the first time in four years he adjusted his game plan. You guys have zero objectivity when it comes to analyzing Schwartz. It’s clear you don’t actually see the adjustments he does make, even the obvious ones. 

Maybe not. But to say he’s been good since he’s been here is a stretch. Anyway, they all should go IMO, not just Doug/Howie.

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And to be clear, no one is nominating Jalen Hurts the franchise QB yet.  He still has a long way to go and I'm willing to bet he would say it himself.   This isn't an A or B situation.  We're nowhere near that point yet. 

Carson Wentz could get his issues fixed in the offseason and come back strong next year.  If that happens, there is no "QB controversy". 

This entire "Hurts vs Wentz" thing has been drummed up mostly by Wentz die hards who seem to think that benching a QB will ruin his career...although I've given about a dozen examples how that's not really the case.

Well I didn't watch him in college so I didn't see what he managed to do there.  Yes he hit some plays against GB but we were in a form of garbage time by that point, save the one that Fulgham dropped, and yesterday there was a whole lot of nothing in terms of downfield passes that looked good let alone were completed.  I need to see some more on that point before I'm even ready to start taking him seriously.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Well I didn't watch him in college so I didn't see what he managed to do there.  Yes he hit some plays against GB but we were in a form of garbage time by that point, save the one that Fulgham dropped, and yesterday there was a whole lot of nothing in terms of downfield passes that looked good let alone were completed.  I need to see some more on that point before I'm even ready to start taking him seriously.

That actually was debunked by Seth Joyner.  The long pass to Reagor, GB was playing man AND they blitzed.  Absolutely no prevent defense on that play.   The TD to Ward they were doubling up deep in zone, which made it that much more difficult to complete that pass in the end-zone.  

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And to be clear, no one is nominating Jalen Hurts the franchise QB yet.  He still has a long way to go and I'm willing to bet he would say it himself.   This isn't an A or B situation.  We're nowhere near that point yet. 

Carson Wentz could get his issues fixed in the offseason and come back strong next year.  If that happens, there is no "QB controversy". 

This entire "Hurts vs Wentz" thing has been drummed up mostly by Wentz die hards who seem to think that benching a QB will ruin his career...although I've given about a dozen examples how that's not really the case.

I am of the opinion that Wentz is going to need to move on if he is to turn his career around. Every sign points to him being mentally weak. He has been unable to handle the Foles situation and then the drafting Hurts. Now he is benched and Hurts comes in and plays well which should only make that worse. On top of that maybe the media and fan scrutiny of Philadelphia is too much for him to handle coming from his background. I think 2017 Wentz is a unicorn at this point. Too many injuries and too much crap has gone down since then. I absolutely think he can be what he was in 2018/2019 which is not elite but a very good starting QB in the league, it just isn't going to be here. Oh, and that doesn't even factor in that there is an obvious disconnect between he and the coach here. When the coach has an 11-2 record with guys like Foles and Hurts and limited success with Wentz it's obvious the two don't mix.

 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That actually was debunked by Seth Joyner.  The long pass to Reagor, GB was playing man AND they blitzed.  Absolutely no prevent defense on that play.   The TD to Ward they were doubling up deep in zone, which made it that much more difficult to complete that pass in the end-zone.  

Things are different when there is a 20pt gap and in the last quarter. Doesn’t have to be a prevent D to make a difference. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Things are different when there is a 20pt gap and in the last quarter. Doesn’t have to be a prevent D to make a difference. 

In a lot of cases, yes. 

But on those specific plays, GB was playing hard (blitzing) on the pass to Reagor (I thought that was in the 3rd quarter, btw) and when they are playing deep zone (TD pass to Ward) that's the exactly the type of play they are defending against.  So neither one of those passes/plays was "easy".

Regardless, two passes is a non-existent sample size.  We need to see dozens, if not hundreds, of passes to really see what Hurts can do vertically. 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

In a lot of cases, yes. 

But on those specific plays, GB was playing hard (blitzing) on the pass to Reagor (I thought that was in the 3rd quarter, btw) and when they are playing deep zone (TD pass to Ward) that's the exactly the type of play they are defending against.  So neither one of those passes/plays was "easy".

Regardless, two passes is a non-existent sample size.  We need to see dozens, if not hundreds, of passes to really see what Hurts can do vertically. 

Hundreds of vertical passes in this offense?  That could take 10-15 years.

44 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And to be clear, no one is nominating Jalen Hurts the franchise QB yet.  He still has a long way to go and I'm willing to bet he would say it himself.   This isn't an A or B situation.  We're nowhere near that point yet. 

Carson Wentz could get his issues fixed in the offseason and come back strong next year.  If that happens, there is no "QB controversy". 

This entire "Hurts vs Wentz" thing has been drummed up mostly by Wentz die hards who seem to think that benching a QB will ruin his career...although I've given about a dozen examples how that's not really the case.

I have yet to see any examples from you or anyone else of any QB that got benched for 4+ games to end the season then came back to the same team the following year and was successful. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hundreds of vertical passes in this offense?  That could take 10-15 years.

We can start off with a dozen or so and go from there. 

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

I have yet to see any examples from you or anyone else of any QB that got benched for 4+ games to end the season then came back to the same team and was successful. 

So it needs to be exactly 4 games to end the season?  Really?

There are examples I've given that are worse than that.  Nick Foles is a perfect example.   The guy had a stellar season, gets hurt the following year....then gets traded away...gets benched there...comes back as a BACKUP to win the Super Bowl.  There is no better example than that.

Nick Foles' situation was exponentially more difficult to overcome than Carson Wentz' current situation and it's not even close. 

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

So it needs to be exactly 4 games to end the season?  Really?

There are examples I've given that are worse than that.  Nick Foles is a perfect example.   The guy had a stellar season, gets hurt the following year....then gets traded away...gets benched there...comes back as a BACKUP to win the Super Bowl.  There is no better example than that.

Nick Foles' situation was exponentially more difficult to overcome than Carson Wentz' current situation and it's not even close. 

 

It doesn’t need to be 4 games. How about gets benched for 3 games to end the season? Or how about more than 5 games? There are no examples of this. NONE. 

 

Nick Foles situation was NOTHING like wentz. First of all he was hurt here not benched. Second he didn’t return the following year after the replacement here and succeed. He came back years later as a backup. 
 

Just another example of you spreading misinformation claiming you’ve given "dozens of examples of players doing this”. 

@In2football

Cards 30, Eagles 17

I don’t think the Cardinals are that good, nor do I think Murray is that good, but without McLeod and Slay the Eagles secondary won’t have any NFL caliber defensive backs in the game.

I think we see much the same from Hurts that we saw yesterday — lots of running to escape pressure.  I’m curious to see if we get a good mixture of short, high percentage throws and good downfield chunk plays on offense 

4 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

It doesn’t need to be 4 games. How about gets benched for 3 games to end the season? Or how about more than 5 games? There are no examples of this. NONE. 

 

Nick Foles situation was NOTHING like wentz. First of all he was hurt here not benched. Second he didn’t return the following year after the replacement here and succeed. He came back years later as a backup. 
 

Just another example of you spreading misinformation claiming you’ve given "dozens of examples of players doing this”. 

The issue is whether or not a QB can be successful again after having regressed and/or being benched.  And there are plenty of examples of it.  Many of them far worse than getting benched for 3 or 4 games.  Smh.

All of the following QB's have been benched or "beaten out" by another QB for the starting role then came back and had success:

- Frank Reich

- Kurt Warner

- Donovan McNabb

- Randall Cunningham

- Phil Simms

- Matthew Stafford

- Mark Brunnell

- Nick Foles

- Cam Newton

- Mitch Trubisky (This year)

And I'm sure there's more.