16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You keep talking about "3 games or worse", not me.  I'm discussing QB's who have been benched and/or lost the starting role to another QB and came back and had success.

In 2015 the Lions were just about done with Stafford.  They benched him for Orlovsky and fired the guy that drafted him in the off-season.  He notes that experience as being the "turning point" of his career. (In a positive way).

https://www.espn.com/blog/detroit-lions/post/_/id/30536/they-may-deny-it-but-matthew-staffords-2015-benching-changed-his-career-arc

 

Being benched midway through one game but remaining the starter for the team for the rest of the season is a very different thing than being demoted to backup QB for multiple weeks. 

All the other guys went to other teams.

Again your point is invalid. There’s zero proof or precedent to believe that benching Wentz is somehow going to help him be a better QB FOR THE EAGLES in the future. 

Cleveland is doing everything they can to not like Baker Mayfield do anything. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

He made sure to emphasize the word BACKUP alot huh? He didn't say it that many times on accident. He's going back to Wentz next year. 

39 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I would call that average

 

I suppose if you ignore his two top five finishes and then call top 12 average...

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Cleveland is doing everything they can to not like Baker Mayfield do anything. 

Stefanski runs a great offense for Mayfield, calling plays to his strengths. Constantly gets him on the outside with bootlegs and in space where he excels. Something Doug should have done more for Wentz. 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Cleveland is doing everything they can to not like Baker Mayfield do anything. 

Easy TD drive from Browns

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Cleveland is doing everything they can to not like Baker Mayfield do anything. 

Yeah what a model.  If we need to coddle and protect Wentz that much, what's the point of having him?  I thought we were looking for a stud franchise QB, not a guy who requires training wheels 5 season into his career.

Love Chubb

1 hour ago, wtfcares said:

I have yet to see any examples from you or anyone else of any QB that got benched for 4+ games to end the season then came back to the same team the following year and was successful. 

You’re trying to project the future based on historical information, yet ignoring what makes this particular circumstance unique:  None of these other QBs in history were about to get paid $32M per season

 

Baltimore just used QB runs to score🤔

Just now, RLC said:

Baltimore just used QB runs to score🤔

Surprised Browns didn't have someone spy him

I hope Jalen is watching, just run it haha

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Stefanski runs a great offense for Mayfield, calling plays to his strengths. Constantly gets him on the outside with bootlegs and in space where he excels. Something Doug should have done more for Wentz. 

Oh man the excuses for this guy will never quit. 
 

Let me make sure I have this all down correctly    All Carson Wentz needs to be successful is:

1.To be healthy. No injuries. 
2. A great Oline. 
3. A good coach  

4. A good GM who can draft great players. 
5. Great WRs. 
6. A Running Game. 
7. A prefect game plan (preferably one with a lot of running plays)

8. No QB over his shoulder. (An early draft pick QB) 

9. Good play calling. Doug is an idiot we need better play calls 

10. Overall team health. Too many injuries is way too much for a guy to over come. 
 

I think that just about does it. Anything else to add feel free.....

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Baltimore just used QB runs to score🤔

That’s bad. Not good a running QB can never have sustain success.... Or so I’m told. 

Do the refs have money on the Browns?

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Do the refs have money on the Browns?

And a 4th down PI.

9 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Oh man the excuses for this guy will never quit. 
 

Let me make sure I have this all down correctly    All Carson Wentz needs to be successful is:

1.To be healthy. No injuries. 
2. A great Oline. 
3. A good coach  

4. A good GM who can draft great players. 
5. Great WRs. 
6. A Running Game. 
7. A prefect game plan (preferably one with a lot of running plays)

8. No QB over his shoulder. (An early draft pick QB) 

9. Good play calling. Doug is an idiot we need better play calls 

10. Overall team health. Too many injuries is way too much for a guy to over come. 
 

I think that just about does it. Anything else to add feel free.....

That’s bad. Not good a running QB can never have sustain success.... Or so I’m told. 

The Browns are 9-3 .... how good a QB do you think Mayfield is?

I would rather have Wentz than Mayfield 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The Browns are 9-3 .... how good a QB do you think Mayfield is?

He's playing better than he used to. They have Rodgers old QB coach as OC. They have talent around him. Who knows what he'll be. They're having a good season. I'm happy for that fanbase after decades of being the laughing stock of the league

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

He's playing better than he used to. They have Rodgers old QB coach as OC. They have talent around him. Who knows what he'll be. They're having a good season. I'm happy for that fanbase after decades of being the laughing stock of the league

That might be because his head coach doesn’t have him throwing 40+ passes every game behind 20% of his OL 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Browns are 9-3 .... how good a QB do you think Mayfield is?

He’s good. 

30 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Yeah what a model.  If we need to coddle and protect Wentz that much, what's the point of having him?  I thought we were looking for a stud franchise QB, not a guy who requires training wheels 5 season into his career.

Coordinating an offense to maximize your qb’s strengths is a good thing. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

That might be because his head coach doesn’t have him throwing 40+ passes every game behind 20% of his OL 

They do have some stud RBs and love to run it. I always wanted a bruiser to pair with Sanders and have them both on the field. Upset that we only did that once and it was last year

13 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Being benched midway through one game but remaining the starter for the team for the rest of the season is a very different thing than being demoted to backup QB for multiple weeks. 

All the other guys went to other teams.

Again your point is invalid. There’s zero proof or precedent to believe that benching Wentz is somehow going to help him be a better QB FOR THE EAGLES in the future. 

I never said the point of benching Wentz was to help him become a better QB for the Eagles.  I said that "could happen" as a result.  But the reason Wentz was benched is because of his performance. 

It reached the point that (almost) the entire fanbase was ready to fire the head coach, the entire coaching staff, the GM and more than willing to cut every other player other than Wentz.  That is beyond ridiculous.  Wentz apologists are ready and willing to destroy the careers and lives of every other person associated with the team before they are even willing to see if playing another QB could improve the team.   That has NEVER happened with the history of this team and I am relieved it did not happen this year. 

Poor QB play affects EVERYONE else on the team, especially when the team loses as many games as the Eagles have this season.  You have guys like Jalen Reagor who was drafted in the 1st round being criticized for not having stellar numbers when his QB has a 73 QB rating.  Seriously? Do you think that's fair to him?   Do you think having a QB perform like Wentz has this season will help in his development?  

And what about other veterans who have been consistent, star-level players...like Zach Ertz?  How does keeping Wentz in help his situation?  The guy goes from consistently catching close to 100 balls a year to bottom-tier level numbers this year.   I'm sure he's thrilled with his numbers this year, likely soon going into free agency.  How much money could this year have cost him?

What about the entire offensive line?  Those guys would get ripped apart week in and week out because of the amount of sacks Wentz would take.  Were some of them their fault?  Sure.  How many could have been avoided had Wentz been playing at a near 2017 level?

Then you hear everyone complain about how the RB's aren't getting enough carries, etc.  And I tend to agree, they should get more carries.  But in this system, good QB play will aid the running game.  It's about momentum.  You get a decent completion here, then run...then pass a few more times, mix in a run here and there.  If you're ahead in the 4th quarter, then you run the ball even more then.  When you have a QB playing at an extremely inconsistent level, that does not happen.

And what about the defense?  How do you think they feel?  They've had their fair share of very good, some outstanding performances.  How many times have they made huge stops this year only to see the offense come back on the field and sputter, many times going 3 and out?  How does keeping Wentz in help them?

Then we get to Doug Pederson.  Everyone's new favorite fall guy.  The coach that won this city's first ever Super Bowl getting thrown under the bus because his QB has a 73 QB rating and has failed to put on a consistently good performance for more than maybe 2-3 games the entire season.  Now all of a sudden it's about play design, play calling and he "Must not be tailoring the offense around Wentz".   Amazing he was able to "tailor the offense around Wentz" in 2017, 2018 and 2019....but somehow he forgot how to coach in the offseason.  It must be that.  There's no way it could actually be Wentz, right?  Give me a break.   

And last but not least, it must also be Howie.  "He hasn't given Wentz any help" blah blah blah.  Are you kidding me?  Howie has gone out-of--his-way to build a team around Wentz, bringing in WR after WR, drafting a TE and 4 WR's in the past couple of years, offensive linemen, rb's, etc etc   Plus the veterans, etc.  Granted, they haven't all worked out but to act as if the GM has ignored helping Wentz is comical.

 

So the solution, according to these Wentz apologists is to keep starting Wentz, to the detriment of the rest of the team, the coaches and the GM.  They can all go for all they care.  Nice logic. 

And I'm relieved someone up there in the Eagles FO put a stop to the insanity before (at the very least) seeing what this offense and team looks like with a different QB playing.  Job well done, Eagles.  

19 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Oh man the excuses for this guy will never quit. 
 

Let me make sure I have this all down correctly    All Carson Wentz needs to be successful is:

1.To be healthy. No injuries. 
2. A great Oline. 
3. A good coach  

4. A good GM who can draft great players. 
5. Great WRs. 
6. A Running Game. 
7. A prefect game plan (preferably one with a lot of running plays)

8. No QB over his shoulder. (An early draft pick QB) 

9. Good play calling. Doug is an idiot we need better play calls 

10. Overall team health. Too many injuries is way too much for a guy to over come. 
 

I think that just about does it. Anything else to add feel free.....

That’s bad. Not good a running QB can never have sustain success.... Or so I’m told. 

Do you think health, a good oline, receivers, a good gm and coaches aren’t necessary for the team to be successful?  I mean what team wins without those things.  

25 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

That’s bad. Not good a running QB can never have sustain success.... Or so I’m told.

Look at Lamar's performance last year and this year and tell me there isn't a drop off.