9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

In fairness, the Saints were horrible and what’s his nuts gimmicky QB is certainly not a starter 

How were the Saints "horrible” they nearly came back and won..... ? 

5 minutes ago, Br3 said:

How were the Saints "horrible” they nearly came back and won..... ? 

They lost to a crap team and clearly didn’t gameplan to minimize Hurts on the ground 

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What a catch by peoples-jones. I liked him more than most coming out of the draft. 

EDIT:  Just read that he wasn't drafted until the 6th round.  I wonder why so many teams passed on him, I had him going in the late 3rd/4th rounds in a few of my mocks. 

41 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I haven't followed the Ravens that closely so I don't know if they were affected by injuries, etc   One thing I do know is that regardless, they have been a much more exciting team to watch over the past two years than the Eagles have (other than maybe the 4 game stretch the Eagles had to end the season last year).

And no, I don't see a coach who won the Super Bowl with a pocket passer completely abandoning that logic. 

Like you and I have discussed, I think Pederson (if Hurts is the future, we don't even know that yet) would go in the direction of Andy Reid.  Use his mobility to extend plays etc but to coach him into becoming a good pocket passer as well. But that doesn't happen overnight so between now and then, I'm fine with Hurts running when he needs to. 

The bolded is irrelevant. The Eagles are a flawed team, and have been, primarily due to a lack of skill position talent around the QB in 2018 and 2019.  And now are even more deeply flawed as the QB regressed, AND the skill position players aren't used properly and frankly, even then, appear quite limited.

 

And please don't give me the 'go the direction of Andy Reid' nonsense again.  Reid starts working his QBs on pocket presence and becoming a pocket passer Day 1, not weeks and/or years later.  Your position is absolutely not defensible.    Doug did not use Hurts' mobility just to extend plays. He called a dozen or so designed runs for the QB, that's the problem.  Doug going to Hurts is fine.  Doug telling Hurts to pull the ball down when there's nothing there and pick up yards is fine.  Doug sending his young QB directly up the gut on a designed QB run is reckless and foolish (he did that twice - first play and later in the 2nd half).  Doug using Hurts as a runner on 3 different 3rd downs on QB sweeps and QB powers is more damaging than anything else he could do.  1 - shows a complete and utter lack of confidence in Hurts being able to pick up the 1st down by passing.  2 - it eliminates the protections afforded the QB in the pocket and exposes (and encourages) him to big hits in order to convert.  3 - washes away an opportunity for growth for the young QB to read the defense and make the proper decision with the ball.

 

Doug is potentially, right now, ruining his 2nd round pick.  He has abandoned 'development' of his QB, in favor of 'self-preservation'?  And frankly based on the initial Taysom Hill stupid comment and how they trotted him out there just to run read option plays and almost never throw the ball... maybe the plan all along with him was as a gadget guy and run first QB.  If so, then shame on everyone in the NovaCare building... from Lurie to the towel boy.

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

They lost to a crap team and clearly didn’t gameplan to minimize Hurts on the ground 

What.....How do you know they didn’t gameplan for it and just could not do it? Do you think Payton had never heard of Hurts before Sunday? 

37 minutes ago, Br3 said:

All year we heard this team has no talent, this team has no o line, Doug sucks at play calling and needs help.... then Doug takes a rookie in his first start and beats the number 1 defense. Still crazy

 

Playing against a team featuring a backup tight end playing quarterback...color me unimpressed with Doug and that win.

Just now, Blazehound said:

Playing against a team featuring a backup tight end playing quarterback...

A team that had 9 straight wins and was playing for the 1 seed....

1 minute ago, Br3 said:

A team that had 9 straight wins and was playing for the 1 seed....

How many times have the Eagles lost to teams they clearly should have beaten?

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Doug is potentially, right now, ruining his 2nd round pick.  He has abandoned 'development' of his QB, in favor of 'self-preservation'?  And frankly based on the initial Taysom Hill stupid comment and how they trotted him out there just to run read option plays and almost never throw the ball... maybe the plan all along with him was as a gadget guy and run first QB.  If so, then shame on everyone in the NovaCare building... from Lurie to the towel boy.

Counter-point: it was his first career start going against a top 3 defense. The best way to settle him in with a new group of OL/WRs is to let him run and have easy passes.

Now, if he does this every week I agree with you. Against Arizona, who are more multiple than New Orleans, I do expect more throws.

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

How many times have the Eagles lost to teams they clearly should have beaten?

Literally this entire year

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The bolded is irrelevant. The Eagles are a flawed team, and have been, primarily due to a lack of skill position talent around the QB in 2018 and 2019.  And now are even more deeply flawed as the QB regressed, AND the skill position players aren't used properly and frankly, even then, appear quite limited.

 

And please don't give me the 'go the direction of Andy Reid' nonsense again.  Reid starts working his QBs on pocket presence and becoming a pocket passer Day 1, not weeks and/or years later.  Your position is absolutely not defensible.    Doug did not use Hurts' mobility just to extend plays. He called a dozen or so designed runs for the QB, that's the problem.  Doug going to Hurts is fine.  Doug telling Hurts even to pull the balldown when there's nothing there and pick yards, is fine.  Doug sending his young QB directly up the gut on a designed QB run is reckless and foolish.  Doug using Hurts as a runner on 3 different 3rd downs on QB sweeps and QB powers is more damaging than anything else he could do.  1 - shows a complete and utter lack of confidence in Hurts being able to pick up the 1st down by passing.  2 - it eliminates the protections afforded the QB in the pocket and exposes (and encourages) him to big hits in order to convert.  3 - washes away an opportunity for growth for the young QB to read the defense and make the proper decision with the ball.

 

Doug is potentially, right now, ruining his 2nd round pick.  He has abandoned 'development' of his QB, in favor of 'self-preservation'?  And frankly based on the initial Taysom Hill stupid comment and how they trotted him out there just to run read option plays and almost never throw the ball... maybe the plan all along with him was as a gadget guy and run first QB.  If so, then shame on everyone in the NovaCare building... from Lurie to the towel boy.

It was one game.  If Doug calls the same type of game plan in most games over the course of 16 games, then you could have a point.  ONE game is nowhere near the sample size you would need to make a valid argument.  That's like me saying, "Wentz is no longer a pocket passer because he missed 60% of his throws from inside the pocket in this game."  If I came out with a statement like that, you would laugh it off.  

 

As far as the the entire, "Taysom Hill" comment, that was in reference to likely getting drilled about how using a 2nd round pick on a QB would help the team this year.  What else are they supposed to say?  We drafted Hurts because Wentz has ended his last 3 seasons due to injury?  We drafted Hurts because we value the backup QB position?  (based on 2017 that would also make sense)  

They were ripped apart for the "QB factory" comment so they likely would have been criticized for whatever they said. 

46 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It was 1 game.  It was Hurts' 1st NFL start against the best defense in the league.  N.O. wasn't expecting Hurts to run as much as he did because the Eagles haven't had a game plan like that ever against them, from what I recall.  And it worked.  

 

If the Saints didn't prepare for Hurts to run the ball, then they didn't prepare.  This wasn't a dominant Eagles performance.  Perhaps the best thing the Eagles did was to protect better than they have done all season. Part of the reason I suspect they were able to protect better is that the Saints told their DE's to maintain contain to prevent Hurts from scrambling out of the pocket.  

35 minutes ago, Swoop said:

A lot of posters seem to have a hard time understanding that both Wentz AND the rest of the team could he terrible this season.

A lot of those hurtin for Hurts.

 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Counter-point: it was his first career start going against a top 3 defense. The best way to settle him in with a new group of OL/WRs is to let him run and have easy passes.

Now, if he does this every week I agree with you. Against Arizona, who are more multiple than New Orleans, I do expect more throws.

A few runs... like that I could count on 1 hand?   Maybe.  3 consecutive 3rd downs?    Nah.  That's not settling in your QB.  That's actually showing no faith in your QB being a QB... or no faith in the players around him allowing him to be a QB.  Either way... its an indictment on the roster and coaches.

4 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Literally this entire year

Actually i was more referring to years when they were good, fighting for a high playoff seed, and laid an egg.

Your point is well taken though.

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

How many times have the Eagles lost to teams they clearly should have beaten?

 

 

55 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It was 1 game.  It was Hurts' 1st NFL start against the best defense in the league.  N.O. wasn't expecting Hurts to run as much as he did because the Eagles haven't had a game plan like that ever against them, from what I recall.  And it worked.  

 

You’re leaning on this "best defense in the league” narrative really hard — but Hurts’ stats are going to be pretty much the same against Dallas — who have the worst defense in the league 

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If the Saints didn't prepare for Hurts to run the ball, then they didn't prepare.  This wasn't a dominant Eagles performance.  Perhaps the best thing the Eagles did was to protect better than they have done all season. Part of the reason I suspect they were able to protect better is that the Saints told their DE's to maintain contain to prevent Hurts from scrambling out of the pocket.  

Nice insight.  We could use more posts like this instead of the back and forth bickering around here. 

@In2football

Eagles 21- Cards 18

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

This game gets brought up way more than I ever imagined and it gets more depressing every time I see it.

Fire Dave Fipp

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re leaning on this "best defense in the league” narrative really hard — but Hurts’ stats are going to be pretty much the same against Dallas — who have the worst defense in the league 

N.O. was the best defense in the NFC.  And depending on what other metrics you used, likely best or at least among the best in the NFL  They hadn't given up a 100 yard rusher in 3+ years.  We had TWO in the same game.  How the naysayers in this blog simply discount that fact is beyond reason, imo. 

Lol

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lol

It is what it is and it isnt good

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

He needs to put some ego back in then