7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

If what Greg ward has been doing all year at PR is considered better decisions then driving drunk is a better decision.

Really interesting video.

Man, I'd love hire to Lincoln Riley.

I think people are focusing on the wrong thing here....

Its not Jalen Hurts that is going to hit a wall, at least not yet.  Its Doug and the coaches.

Hurts played at big time schools and has experience in two different offensive systems under very good coaches.  He can navigate a few NFL games and not be exposed. 

He has weaknesses, sure, but our coaches will run out of ideas long before his limitations are really exposed on this level.  Hell it may have already happened in that 2nd half of the Saints game

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Really interesting video.

Man, I'd love hire to Lincoln Riley.

Beat me to the punch, basically

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It was one game.  If Doug calls the same type of game plan in most games over the course of 16 games, then you could have a point.  ONE game is nowhere near the sample size you would need to make a valid argument.  That's like me saying, "Wentz is no longer a pocket passer because he missed 60% of his throws from inside the pocket in this game."  If I came out with a statement like that, you would laugh it off.  

 

As far as the the entire, "Taysom Hill" comment, that was in reference to likely getting drilled about how using a 2nd round pick on a QB would help the team this year.  What else are they supposed to say?  We drafted Hurts because Wentz has ended his last 3 seasons due to injury?  I'm sure that would have went over well.   

Um... yes it is, as a counter to your 'Baltimore Ravens' nonsense.   Look at the number of designed runs the Ravens use with Jackson.  If that's the blueprint for Hurts, then this thing with him is doomed from the start.  But, those were your words in defense of Doug's use of Hurts as a runner as much as he did.  And how you defended that reckless use of his QB when people pointed to it being unsustainable.  But, now you backtrack from that and say that Doug will not try to sustain what was successful against the Saints and all of a sudden, he's going to put the run first options back into the garbage can where they belong?   Pick a lane and stay in it for more than one post, please.    

Either Doug did what he did for one game, to get one win...for who knows what reason... or Doug thinks that doing this with Hurts is his best (and maybe only) chance to win with Hurts behind center.  If this was a one off with Hurts... then why bother doing it at all?  Was the win over the Saints really that important to Hurts' long term development, or more about Doug's long term job security (not necessarily even here, but elsewhere also)?   If Doug scraps what worked against New Orleans, then he's just throwing crap against the wall with no rhyme or reason behind it (kind of like we've seen from his play calling all year.  We haven't seen much in the way of counters to his predictable alignments and play calls in specific situations).  

 

And... what's so wrong with just being honest in answer to the question, 'why Hurts in Round 2?'   Answer:  "We feel it's valuable to have a quality backup QB and this offers us a cost controlled backup QB to grow with the team for a number of years, providing insurance in case Carson misses time.  Injuries are a part of the game, and without a backup QB you can trust, a season can end for a team based on one injury to one player."  Would there be backlash?  Sure.  But, there was going to be backlash no matter what they said after that pick.  And there was backlash when they made that stupid QB factory and Taysom Hill comment.   

 

We can all be as excited as we want to be because the Eagles won a game.  But, frankly, the way they chose to win it is not a good way, not a sustainable way, and ultimately, not a way that leads to the real goal... which is another parade.  Building a team around a philosophy of a QB that has to run the football as a matter of design is just a way to get to NFL pergatory... too good for the best draft positions, but not nearly good enough to get to the Super Bowl.   You want to look at the Ravens... look at them.  But, do it quick.  They've only got 3 (4 if they are lucky) games left to play this year.  Same as the Eagles.

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

This game gets brought up way more than I ever imagined and it gets more depressing every time I see it.

This is why the NFL should never play a game on a Tuesday.   Which btw, I heard is up for negotiation moving forward.   The NFL is looking to expand the week of games from Thursday to Tuesday moving forward.

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

I guess the goal of the returner isn't to make a return anymore. 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think people are focusing on the wrong thing here....

Its not Jalen Hurts that is going to hit a wall, at least not yet.  Its Doug and the coaches.

Hurts played at big time schools and has experience in two different offensive systems under very good coaches.  He can navigate a few NFL games and not be exposed. 

He has weaknesses, sure, but our coaches will run out of ideas long before his limitations are really exposed on this level.  Hell it may have already happened in that 2nd half of the Saints game

Beat me to the punch, basically

If he keeps running so often i'd be more concerned with a wall hitting Hurts.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

Leaving no one back there to catch the punt would likely result in the same, if not better results, as they could go after the punt for a block and force the punter to think about getting it off quick, as opposed to his regular steps, which could lead to more shanks.

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

So Reagor has an ego?

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

N.O. was the best defense in the NFC.  And depending on what other metrics you used, likely best or at least among the best in the NFL  They hadn't given up a 100 yard rusher in 3+ years.  We had TWO in the same game.  How the naysayers in this blog simply discount that fact is beyond reason, imo. 

When one of the 100 yard rushers is your QB... that's not automatically a good thing.    But, it was nice to see a little more commitment to the run.  It's a shame that the second best runner on the team is Hurts though.  Maybe spending a draft pick on a quality RB would have been a good idea to mix in with Sanders.

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They hadn't given up a 100 yard rusher in 3+ years.

And they have ranked 20th, 29th and 15th against the pass during that stretch.  Some teams rank good against the run / pass because they are so bad at the other some times.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Really interesting video.

Man, I'd love hire to Lincoln Riley.

Not sure I would.  Coaching against Big 12 defenses is very different from the NFL. We saw what happened when we brought in a dynamic college offensive coach in.  Not the same in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is why the NFL should never play a game on a Tuesday.   Which btw, I heard is up for negotiation moving forward.   The NFL is looking to expand the week of games from Thursday to Tuesday moving forward.

They just continue to water down the product. Thursday Night Football blows, with Thanksgiving being the exception. We don't need more football during the week, it's just going to result in worse games. 

Thank god the eagles won that super bowl because idk how much longer I can watch the NFL with the direction they've been going lately. When I'm home I can barely stand watching our games let alone any others, and I used to be someone who would watch football from 1pm to whenever the night game ended.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fire Dave Fipp

Our STs haven't been great for about 8 years or more.  Fipp used to have dynamic STs, but that hasn't been the case for a while now. And, the Eagles still bring in players for STs every year. I think it might be time for a new voice to run STs.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Um... yes it is, as a counter to your 'Baltimore Ravens' nonsense.   Look at the number of designed runs the Ravens use with Jackson.  If that's the blueprint for Hurts, then this thing with him is doomed from the start.  But, those were your words in defense of Doug's use of Hurts as a runner as much as he did.  And how you defended that reckless use of his QB when people pointed to it being unsustainable.  But, now you backtrack from that and say that Doug will not try to sustain what was successful against the Saints and all of a sudden, he's going to put the run first options back into the garbage can where they belong?   Pick a lane and stay in it for more than one post, please.    

Either Doug did what he did for one game, to get one win...for who knows what reason... or Doug thinks that doing this with Hurts is his best (and maybe only) chance to win with Hurts behind center.  If this was a one off with Hurts... then why bother doing it at all?  Was the win over the Saints really that important to Hurts' long term development, or more about Doug's long term job security (not necessarily even here, but elsewhere also)?   If Doug scraps what worked against New Orleans, then he's just throwing crap against the wall with no rhyme or reason behind it (kind of like we've seen from his play calling all year.  We haven't seen much in the way of counters to his predictable alignments and play calls in specific situations).  

 

And... what's so wrong with just being honest in answer to the question, 'why Hurts in Round 2?'   Answer:  "We feel it's valuable to have a quality backup QB and this offers us a cost controlled backup QB to grow with the team for a number of years, providing insurance in case Carson misses time.  Injuries are a part of the game, and without a backup QB you can trust, a season can end for a team based on one injury to one player."  Would there be backlash?  Sure.  But, there was going to be backlash no matter what they said after that pick.  And there was backlash when they made that stupid QB factory and Taysom Hill comment.   

 

We can all be as excited as we want to be because the Eagles won a game.  But, frankly, the way they chose to win it is not a good way, not a sustainable way, and ultimately, not a way that leads to the real goal... which is another parade.  Building a team around a philosophy of a QB that has to run the football as a matter of design is just a way to get to NFL pergatory... too good for the best draft positions, but not nearly good enough to get to the Super Bowl.   You want to look at the Ravens... look at them.  But, do it quick.  They've only got 3 (4 if they are lucky) games left to play this year.  Same as the Eagles.

As far as the backup QB comment, we think alike because I went back and edited my post while you were making your response and we are basically saying the same thing there.

 

As far as the entire "Ravens comment"...that was in response to Bacarty saying it's not sustainable and so far, the Ravens have shown it is sustainable IF the Eagles wanted to go that route.  The Ravens won their division the past two seasons.  We'll see how far they go this year.

That said, I've repeatedly said that I don't believe that Doug Pederson would go that route with Hurts.  He will likely use Hurts based on his progress level.  For example, if Hurts' primary threat is scrambling, he will use it to his advantage.  Once Hurts develops into a better pocket passer, etc..he will begin to use that more to his advantage, and so forth.  With a QB like Hurts, it could take some time...or it could happen quickly...that part, we don't know yet.  What we do know is that Hurts has started 1 NFL game, in a season plagued with no pre-season and a shortened camp.  

 

9 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If he keeps running so often i'd be more concerned with a wall hitting Hurts.

If the coaches would stop the freaking QB power sweeps and nonsense like that, he'll be fine.  He does a good job avoiding big hits, I don't think the Saints hit him hard once, maybe his TD pass was the biggest hit he absorbed

But the fact that they did call those plays tells me there isnt much in the well for them to go back to

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So Reagor has an ego?

Yeah, he thinks that he can get the ball and run with it afterwards on a punt... silly rabbit.

55 minutes ago, Br3 said:

What.....How do you know they didn’t gameplan for it and just could not do it? Do you think Payton had never heard of Hurts before Sunday? 

Sure looked like it. It was cool to see a win but I’m not going to pretend that it was because of a great performance 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure I would.  Coaching against Big 12 defenses is very different from the NFL. We saw what happened when we brought in a dynamic college offensive coach in.  Not the same in the NFL.

Riley, like Matt Rhule, will be a good NFL coach whenever he wants. His offenses have worked with different style of QBs (Mayfield, Murray, Hurts). He's constantly scheming guys open. Big 12 or not, that matters. He's put up points against Alabama/Georgia in playoff games too, but his defense let him down. 

That said, there's no chance Howie hires another college coach. I do think he'd go after Daboll.

 

11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

As far as the backup QB comment, we think alike because I went back and edited my post while you were making your response and we are basically saying the same thing there.

 

As far as the entire "Ravens comment"...that was in response to Bacarty saying it's not sustainable and so far, the Ravens have shown it is sustainable IF the Eagles wanted to go that route.  The Ravens won their division the past two seasons.  We'll see how far they go this year.

That said, I've repeatedly said that I don't believe that Doug Pederson would go that route with Hurts.  He will likely use Hurts based on his progress level.  For example, if Hurts' primary threat is scrambling, he will use it to his advantage.  Once Hurts develops into a better pocket passer, etc..he will begin to use that more to his advantage, and so forth.  With a QB like Hurts, it could take some time...or it could happen quickly...that part, we don't know yet.  What we do know is that Hurts has started 1 NFL game, in a season plagued with no pre-season and a shortened camp.  

 

The Ravens have actually provided the exact opposite of sustainability.  They won their division... big whoop.  They got bounced in back to back years in the playoffs in 1 game, and frankly looked very outmatched doing so both times.  And they are outside the playoffs right now as well.  So, how does that help your argument of sustainability? First, it hasn't been a long time... and second, it hasn't really been successful outside of the regular season.   Nobody raises the Lombardi for having the best record in the regular season.

 

 

The lack of a camp is a great point.  Which is why working him into the games like they did early was the stupidest thing they could have done with him.  He was running, essentially, gadget plays...so when they turned to him as the starter... boom, more gadgets.  Like I said, Doug hasn't been developing him to be a QB since Day 1.  He's developing a hybrid RB/QB.  Well, those haven't worked in generations... basically since the forward pass became a major part of the game.   Doug started by developing him to be Taysom Hill, and in those spot duty situations, how many times was he even allowed to throw the ball?  Once, twice?   Bad Doug.  Very bad, Doug.  

 

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I guess the goal of the returner isn't to make a return anymore. 

You rarely see returns anymore. At least you rarely see big returns or TDs.

Wouldn't surprise me if they do away with kickoffs.  It's a waste of time.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Riley, like Matt Rhule, will be a good NFL coach whenever he wants. His offenses have worked with different style of QBs (Mayfield, Murray, Hurts). He's constantly scheming guys open. Big 12 or not, that matters. He's put up points against Alabama/Georgia in playoff games too, but his defense let him down. 

That said, there's no chance Howie hires another college coach. I do think he'd go after Daboll.

You could be right about Riley.  I don't follow Oklahoma, but I know that he's got an easier time scheming guys open against Big 12 competition than he would in the NFL.  

 

But, I'm not against anyone with fresh ideas.  Doug's ideas are quite stale now.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Ravens have actually provided the exact opposite of sustainability.  The won their division... big whoop.  They got bounced in back to back years in the playoffs in 1 game, and frankly looked very outmatched doing so both times.  And they are outside the playoffs right now as well.  So, how does that help your argument of sustainability? First, it hasn't been a long time... and second, it hasn't really been successful outside of the regular season.   Nobody raises the Lombardi for having the best record in the regular season.

 

 

The lack of a camp is a great point.  Which is why working him into the games like they did early was the stupidest thing they could have done with him.  He was running, essentially, gadget plays...so when they turned to him as the starter... boom, more gadgets.  Like I said, Doug hasn't been developing him to be a QB since Day 1.  He's developing a hybrid RB/QB.  Well, those haven't worked in generations... basically since the forward pass became a major part of the game.   Doug started by developing him to be Taysom Hill, and in those spot duty situations, how many times was he even allowed to throw the ball?  Once, twice?   Bad Doug.  Very bad, Doug.  

Let's take it one game at a time and see what happens.  If they decide to go the Hurts route, I think it could be a hybrid between what the Chiefs are doing and what the Ravens are doing.  But even that is putting the cart in front of the horse at this point.