6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Prince Tega must be awful at practice

I think he's hurt

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Quoting because it needs to be

Are those going to be during the live game? Don't know how that's possible

Lol you just have to laugh at it now. Wtf is with these injuries for 3 damn years

I don't care about winning this season. That has nothing to do with wanting one QB to do well over another. I want Howie gone. That's the ultimate mission and goal. Winning this extremely bad division to lose in the wildcard and not have a top 10 pick isn't for the best interest of the team. That would actually hurt the future of the team IMO.

depends on the situation, if lurie is one telling the staff to start hurts, that means he's got a problem with doug, no matter how many wins and how well hurts plays, it's not going to change his mind because of the bad situation that howie and doug created. as far as not getting a top 10, it's not the end of the world because if it's a different gm and there's no good players, he'll trade the pick and get a talented player. you cant tell players to not play hard and tank, it's not who they are.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I will usually fall on the optimistic side of whatever debate we have... because ultimately, I want the team to do well, and for wins and fun games.    This season has beaten me down though... in the midst of this Covid nonsense... the Eagles were going to be an escape for a few hours and an enjoyable few hours.  Instead, each game is like a trip to the dentist office.  You know there will be some pain involved, you just can't be sure when and where it will happen.  

 

But, now... I want Doug out, Howie out and the rest of them.  I think Wentz can be rebuilt, but not by these guys.  I'm not sold on Hurts as a starting QB in this league, but absolutely think he can be a very good backup, because of his legs.  But, if he's to be developed into a starter, he needs to stop using his legs as a primary weapon and start throwing the ball... to all parts of the field.  And Doug, if he's a QB whisperer, should know that.  Using Hurts' legs by design to routinely pick up 3rd down conversions was about winning to preserve his job, not working to develop his QB.  Those opportunities are now lost and can never be regained.  Those chances for Hurts to sit in the pocket, read the defense and make the proper throw, are gone.  And that's why I was upset with that win on Sunday.  Not because they won (which of course makes the clean sweep less likely) but because they won in a manner that didn't have the long view in mind at all either.   Alshon over Fulgham.  Hightower inactive.  Running the QB rather than developing him.   Just a 'me-first' attitude by the coach, rather than a 'what's best for the team' approach, honestly.  If they had won with Hurts throwing from the pocket 30 times and running the ball behind the OL, great.  If they had won with the young WRs being showcased and targeted through out the game, great.  But, they didn't.  Alshon got a TD while falling over.  Fulgham couldn't sniff the field much.  Reagor was a relative non-factor outside of maybe 3 or 4 opportunities and still we see Ward back for punts, whereas Reagor back there could make a mistake or two, and have it not really matter in the grand scheme of things for this team and maybe become a better option for the future.  Or they could have worked Watkins there while on the PS, so that when he came up, he'd get a shot.  But, instead we got to watch Ward's antics, and then are told that he makes good decisions back there?   Please.  Don't insult my intelligence.  If he's making the best decisions of anyone on the field in your eyes, then you are not doing your job as ST coach to get someone else out there, someone that might actually have a clue, or have a wiggle to make a play... ya know, like Reagor did against the Packers.  I wonder if maybe Ward was in the locker room pooping on that and that's why he wasn't out there for that punt too.   

Terrible coaching practices.  Terrible roster utilization.  Terrible roster construction.  And now I sound like a pessimist.

Along the lines of this, as well as my previous comment, I'll ask a hypothetical. If Doug had a magic 8 ball and could read the future, which outcome would he take on Sunday?

Run Hurts 15+ times and squeeze out a win, or allow Hurts to stay in the pocket, throw for 300 yards, but ultimately lose the game? Of course he'd choose to run Hurts into the ground and take the W! And honestly, I don't blame him. That's why this is ALL on Lurie. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You mean the one where I said back in February that whole run was fools gold and the Eagles organizationally believe the fact that they were closer to a Super Bowl than they really were and then they made the off-season moves the way that they did? Yeah I know because I said that. Crazy i know yet got labeled as a wentz washer when i stated the eagles fooled themselves into believing they were closer to competing to a SB than they were. 

Those guys really can't just stop talking about Wentz any chance they get. They need therapy.

45 minutes ago, greend said:

I've been on this board a long time. For whatever reason some people just hate the starting q.b. no matter who it is. Saw it with McNabb, Kolb, Vick, Nick (the first time) Wentz, and if Hurts becomes the permanent starter you'll see it with him. 

Weird, but true. It's as if the first time these guys dont look like Tom Brady in his prime for even just a game, they start calling for the backup because of the 1 throw they saw him make. 🤣

17 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

To each it’s own. 

 That is how you know someone has been around and engaged in the EMB for a long time.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Out of all the bad contract talks, Malik Jackson is an underrated terrible contract. I have no idea WTF Howie was even thinking with restructuring this one. A cut or trade in 2021 is $12,644,000 in dead money and only $967,000 in savings. Hell, even if he plays out the contract and walks in 2022, we are going to have $9M in dead cap. This might be worse than Alshons.

It was a bad contract in the way he restructured it. The fact that he was coming off his worst season in 2018 and got benched for JAGs (both Jaguars players and just a guy) the Eagles had no business giving him the restructure of that contract.  There was the belief that that could’ve been his decline. the lis franc injury just really made it worse cause you didn’t know then if he would ever be the same and he was already coming off a poor 2018. Start of the season well but since that start he hasn’t been anywhere close to what you want from him making the money he has. And he’s been getting stupid penalties almost every other week

 I understand they wanted to put a Nother stud next to Fletcher Cox but there were other ways to go about it to not get into a contract with a guy who is coming off a massive declined that year it was not good against the run that you’re either. I was of the opinion you should just go into the draft because if I remember correctly it was a loaded defensive tackle class and the Eagles just ignored the position. 

 

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I think he's hurt

Nope.  On the practice squad

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/more-eagles-o-line-woes-jack-driscoll-to-miss-remainder-of-2020-season-with-mcl-sprain-per-report/

There aren't a lot of options on the 16-man practice squad, but Prince Tega Wanogho is available for activation -- should they choose to do so (assuming they view it as an option and not a mandate at this point). 

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I thought he was hurt or on IR?

I don't think so. The knee is more an issue long-term as far as I know. According to Caplan he's a massive project and that's why he hasn't been called up yet.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Out of all the bad contract talks, Malik Jackson is an underrated terrible contract. I have no idea WTF Howie was even thinking with restructuring this one. A cut or trade in 2021 is $12,644,000 in dead money and only $967,000 in savings. Hell, even if he plays out the contract and walks in 2022, we are going to have $9M in dead cap. This might be worse than Alshons.

The trouble with Howie's contracts is that there are so many bad ones, its hard to give all of them decent poundings.

Hargrave is a nice player, and has finally started to really come on.  Shame it was just spending MORE resources at a position of strength and wasn't something that they could really afford to do and get legitimate weapons on the offense.   Imagine if the Eagles had signed Robby Anderson for roughly $10M/year instead of Javon Hargrave for roughly $13M/year (with an automatic $5M dead in year 4).  Would that have 'fixed the offense'?   Of course not.  But, would it have bought some time for the younger players to work in a bit in a Covid year?  Could it have alleviated the absolute need to get a 'speed' guy in the first round and opened the door for Justin Jefferson to be the first round pick instead of it needing to be a guy like Reagor (who apparently, they still can't figure out how to use)?  Anderson at Z, Jefferson at Slot and X (like I suggested he could do leading up to the draft) and then you figure out the rest with maybe adding Fulgham to replace JJAW when you realize he sucks and can't play.  Desean has limited snaps and might be able to play a lot more in the slot, using the elite quickness that he still possesses on nickel backs and LBs.    Instead, they didn't want to spend more at WR because of the bad contracts of Desean and Alshon... and then they decided to spend a 6th round pick on a guy that's also always had trouble staying healthy in Marquise Goodwin.   Great job Howie.  Way to help your QB out.   How different could things have looked this year?   And maybe have actually turned the corner of getting a little more young talent on the team, rather than just trying to force the old guys out there to fix everything when the young guys struggled.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Out of all the bad contract talks, Malik Jackson is an underrated terrible contract. I have no idea WTF Howie was even thinking with restructuring this one. A cut or trade in 2021 is $12,644,000 in dead money and only $967,000 in savings. Hell, even if he plays out the contract and walks in 2022, we are going to have $9M in dead cap. This might be worse than Alshons.

Yup, hated the Malik signing at the time. He was washed up in Jacksonville of all places and got benched. He was always a pretty mediocre run defender and his best trait was as a pass rusher which he had regressed at as well.

Howie paid him like he was still an upper echelon DT like he was in Denver, that guy was long gone and now after the injuries and 2 years with the eagles he just looks like an over paid spent Vet DT, which he is.

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Those guys really can't just stop talking about Wentz any chance they get. They need therapy.

What’s more amazing is if they read what I wrote back in February or March or April or even into May I emphatically stated that run was fools gold. The only good that came from that run was that you saw Carson Wentz start play with confidence and carry his team with crappy weapons even if it was against bad teams.

However that whole run the organization bought into the fact that they were close to competing still. They thought they just need to add a few pieces here and there and they were gonna be a Super Bowl contender. They were never that close. People bought into this roster like in April. It wasn’t good enough for the expectations people had. Their plan at wide receiver was foolish for 2020. And it’s proving out to be idiotic. Their plan at safety was also ridiculous to just expected Jalen mills to jump into the fray as as starter at a position he’s never played there before at the NFL level except for a couple of plays last year. The linebacker situation was laughable. And I haven’t even brought up the fact that they still seem to think maddox to play on the outside when it’s been clearly obvious since his rookie year and that Chicago Bears playoff game he can’t. 

only thing i don’t blame the eagles for is not knowing what would happen with Brooks and dillard before the season even started.  

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope.  On the practice squad

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/more-eagles-o-line-woes-jack-driscoll-to-miss-remainder-of-2020-season-with-mcl-sprain-per-report/

 

 

I'd rather see Prince as the backup RT than Toth.   Actually, I'd rather see Prince in the game at RT than Pryor.  I know Pryor sucks and at this point in his career, I think he's maxed out.   Prince is still relatively new to the game, not as raw as Mailata, and not as athletic, but in the neighborhood.   Prince is a guy I still have high hopes for in the future.  I think he could be at least a good swing tackle in the future.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It was a bad contract in the way he structured it. The fact that he was coming off his worst season in 2018 and got benched for JAGs (both Jaguars plays and just a guy) the Eagles had no business giving him the structure of that contract.  There was the belief that that could’ve been his decline. If someone else was willing to do it you should’ve let him go there because he did not show anything in 2018 to justify what they gave him in that contract. I understand they wanted to put a Nother stud next to Fletcher Cox but there were other ways to go about it to not get into a contract with a guy who is coming off a massive declined that year it was not good against the run that you’re either. I was of the opinion you should just go into the draft because if I remember correctly it was a loaded defensive tackle class and the Eagles just ignored the position. 

the lis franc injury just really made it worse cause you didn’t know then if he would ever be the same and he was already coming off a poor 2018. Start of the season well but since that start he hasn’t been anywhere close to what you want from him making the money he has. And he’s been getting stupid penalties almost every other week

Things is, it wasn't great at first but it was reasonable. They had a clear out in 2021 and it would of ended up being a 2 year $20M deal. They would have had only something like $7M in dead money but clear up $7M in space. Then Howie restructured it AFTER his lis franc injury which basically locks him here next year. It's ridiculous.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I don't think so. The knee is more an issue long-term as far as I know. According to Caplan he's a massive project and that's why he hasn't been called up yet.

Well good luck to the kid, no one was ever more of a project than Mailata so if anybody can get Prince ready it's Stout.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Even if he's 4.36 then we were sold a lie. His key trait was speed. That's all Howie spoke of

What?  So 4.36 isn't fast now? This place has gone full Tatergeddon, I see. 

And his key trait was "explosive, big play ability". Not just vertical speed.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Things is, it wasn't great at first but it was reasonable. They had a clear out in 2021 and it would of ended up being a 2 year $20M deal. They would have had only something like $7M in dead money but clear up $7M in space. Then Howie restructured it AFTER his lis franc injury which basically locks him here next year. It's ridiculous.

Sorry should’ve said how they restructured. Either way I didn’t think it justified the contract that they gave him to begin with because I thought he was on the decline. I thought the better route to go was to go into the draft and get a guy to put next to Fletcher Cox. I want to say that 2019 draft class was supposedly one of the better defensive tackle classes. And they wound up walking away with none of them from that class

22 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

al

you are saying hurts cant be the guy so what am i supposed to think?

This is the problem with guys like you. Because someone doesn't think Hurts is the guy says nothing about how they feel about Wentz either way.

Some people just evaluate players.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What’s more amazing is if they read what I wrote back in February or March or April or even into May I emphatically stated that run was fools gold. The only good that came from that run was that you saw Carson Wentz start play with confidence and carry his team with crappy weapons even if it was against bad teams.

However that whole run the organization bought into the fact that they were close to competing still. They thought they just need to add a few pieces here and there and they were gonna be a Super Bowl contender. They were never that close. People bought into this roster like in April. It wasn’t good enough for the expectations people had. Their plan at wide receiver was foolish for 2020. And it’s proving out to be idiotic. Their plan at safety was also ridiculous to just expected Jalen mills to jump into the fray as as starter at a position he’s never played there before at the NFL level except for a couple of plays last year. The linebacker situation was laughable. And I haven’t even brought up the fact that they still seem to think maddox to play on the outside when it’s been clearly obvious since his rookie year and that Chicago Bears playoff game he can’t. 

only thing i don’t blame the eagles for is not knowing what would happen with Brooks and dillard before the season even started.  

WAIT WHAT??? Maddox isn't an outside corner?

Who would have known a 5'9" corner that gets hurt when someone sneezes on him couldn't play outside corner in today's game.

It's almost like the eagles think they are smarter than everyone else.

Starting a 5'9" corner on the outside in today's NFL isn't innovative, it's just stupid.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, hated the Malik signing at the time. He was washed up in Jacksonville of all places and got benched. He was always a pretty mediocre run defender and his best trait was as a pass rusher which he had regressed at as well.

Howie paid him like he was still an upper echelon DT like he was in Denver, that guy was long gone and now after the injuries and 2 years with the eagles he just looks like an over paid spent Vet DT, which he is.

 

On top of all that the guy is a complete dbag with the things he did on social media this offseason 

 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Things is, it wasn't great at first but it was reasonable. They had a clear out in 2021 and it would of ended up being a 2 year $20M deal. They would have had only something like $7M in dead money but clear up $7M in space. Then Howie restructured it AFTER his lis franc injury which basically locks him here next year. It's ridiculous.

Nope... he's got to go next year.  Yes, the cap hit is the same regardless... they save $1M if he's cut or traded next year, and removes any cost from the 2022 salary cap. They can bring back Bruce Hector for the minimum to fill his shoes for all I care.   The important part is clearing the 2022 cap of as much dead space as possible.   Cutting him before next year saves $9M in 2022.  They could likely even bring back Ridgeway for 2021 where his cap hit is about $1M.  They signed Ridgeway this past year to a 1 year $1M deal, and now he's coming off injury.  He shouldn't be very expensive to add back in place of Jackson, but he's about 4 years younger.  And I don't mind injury risk players who have low costs and short deals.  I mind old, expensive injury prone players that have structures that force you to hold on to them... like Alshon and Desean.   Sadly, Brooks and Johnson are heading in that direction quickly.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The trouble with Howie's contracts is that there are so many bad ones, its hard to give all of them decent poundings.

I can't even remember his last good one at this point. Alshon Jeffery's first contract, maybe?

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

On top of all that the guy is a complete dbag with the things he did on social media this offseason 

Seemingly he a dbag during games as well.

Just now, Utebird said:

WAIT WHAT??? Maddox isn't an outside corner?

Who would have known a 5'9" corner that gets hurt when someone sneezes on him couldn't play outside corner in today's game.

It's almost like the eagles think they are smarter than everyone else.

Starting a 5'9" corner on the outside in today's NFL isn't innovative, it's just stupid.

The thing that drives me crazy with them and some other players is how much they rave/spin them. Meanwhile the rest of league and knows they are not good. Like if Maddox was struggling for a couple games i could see you saying you know what he’s having a down year and he’ll be back. But for the better part of two years he has not been good. Last year at the start of the year he was statistically the worst slot corner in the league through the first three weeks of the year. And then for the better part of two years when you are trying him out at outside corner it doesn’t work. It’s not a coincidence that PFF has his grade at 36. He’s not good