Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

On top of all that the guy is a complete dbag with the things he did on social media this offseason 

Yup not a good look. I like you thought the eagles in a stacked DL draft would go DT first round or even 2nd to pair with Cox and let the young guy learn and not have to be the man as a rookie, Instead Howie goes out and gives a big contract to a declining benched Malik and Drafts dillard because he dropped so far.

I wasn't mad at the time at howie drafting dillard cuz I never imagine he'd slide that far and it was disappointing that they came out of that draft with zero DT help 

5 hours ago, Sturm said:

Does hurts look tiny out there? He looks smaller than what is listed.

You're probably just used to Carson. He's 6'5+... Jalen is short for an NFL QB though.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't even remember his last good one at this point. Alshon Jeffery's first contract, maybe?

That was a very good one.  Low cost (relatively), 1 year.  Prove it deal.   He proved it, then the resign was ok.  Not great.  The issue with Alshon was the restructure.  There was no reason to do that.

 

Going back to 2017, there were a LOT of good ones... and there was a theme... they were all SHORT duration...

Patrick Robinson - 1 year
LaGarrette Blount - 1 year
Chris Long - 2 years

etc etc.   

Now, they are all 3 years with dead money always tacked on to voided years at the end.  Just terrible design.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope... he's got to go next year.  Yes, the cap hit is the same regardless... they save $1M if he's cut or traded next year, and removes any cost from the 2022 salary cap. They can bring back Bruce Hector for the minimum to fill his shoes for all I care.   The important part is clearing the 2022 cap of as much dead space as possible.   Cutting him before next year saves $9M in 2022.  They could likely even bring back Ridgeway for 2021 where his cap hit in 2021 is about $1M.  They signed Ridgeway this past year to a 1 year $1M deal, and now he's coming off injury.  He shouldn't be very expensive to add back in place of Jackson, but he's about 4 years younger.  And I don't mind injury risk players who have low costs and short deals.  I mind old, expensive injury prone players that have structures that force you to hold on to them... like Alshon and Desean.   Sadly, Brooks and Johnson are heading in that direction quickly.

I think it depends if Howies back or not. I agree they SHOULD get rid of him, but I doubt they will. His contract is practically fully guaranteed at this point, I bet they will just play him and get whatever they can out of him, and just take the dead money in 2022 and bank on the new TV deals to soften the blow. Ones thing for sure, Lurie needs to limit if not stop all these dummy year contracts. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup not a good look. I like you thought the eagles in a stacked DL draft would go DT first round or even 2nd to pair with Cox and let the young guy learn and not have to be the man as a rookie, Instead Howie goes out and gives a big contract to a declining benched Malik and Drafts dillard because he dropped so far.

I wasn't mad at the time at howie drafting dillard cuz I never imagine he'd slide that far and it was disappointing that they came out of that draft with zero DT help 

Yeah that was my plan going into the off-season was to the draft and getting defensive tackle that you can play alongside Fletcher Cox and eventually he would take over when cox declined. Instead they went the route they did and I thought that was foolish because you could’ve save money by getting a younger cheaper and probably more productive player the Malik Jackson who was looking like he was on the decline

I wasn’t mad at the Eagles for taking Dillard. It made sense. It was a position of need and he was up there for one of the best players on the board. I was never ultra impressed with Him. I liked him but I didn’t think he was going to be one of the best left tackles in the league. I thought there were questions with his past and the fact that Wazzu never ran the ball so you didn’t know how great he was at Ron blocking. I trust that Nguyen can get that out of them but you didn’t know how far along he was n that area. I thought he could be a solid starter to a good starter. But the guy I wanted was Montei sweat because I knew Brandon Graham was getting older, Derek Barnett hadnt proven as much as you’d like from pick 14 and even so if Barnett did and you had sweat your DEs are set for 5-7 years. I get Montez sweat had red flags with this healthy but I thought he could be really good DE in the league. 

There's a small part of me that wants to see 15 O-line combinations in 16 games. I think I need professional help. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it depends if Howies back or not. I agree they SHOULD get rid of him, but I doubt they will. His contract is practically fully guaranteed at this point, I bet they will just play him and get whatever they can out of him, and just take the dead money in 2022 and bank on the new TV deals to soften the blow. Ones thing for sure, Lurie needs to limit if not stop all these dummy year contracts. 

Yeah if you’re going to release Jackson it’s going to be as a post June 1 cut. Because it really doing it before that really doesn’t help you all that much in terms of the salary cap. Frankly at that point they’re better off just going into the season with him and hoping he produces and maybe somebody at the trade deadline needs a pass rushing defensive tackle

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that was my plan going into the off-season was to the draft and getting defensive tackle that you can play alongside Fletcher Cox and eventually he would take over when cox declined. Instead they went the route they did and I thought that was foolish because you could’ve save money by getting a younger cheaper and probably more productive player the Malik Jackson who was looking like he was on the decline

I wasn’t mad at the Eagles for taking Dillard. It made sense. It was a position of need and he was up there for one of the best players on the board. I was never ultra impressed with Him. I liked him but I didn’t think he was going to be one of the best left tackles in the league. I thought there were questions with his past and the fact that Wazzu never ran the ball so you didn’t know how great he was at Ron blocking. I trust that Nguyen can get that out of them but you didn’t know how far along he was n that area. I thought he could be a solid starter to a good starter. But the guy I wanted was Montei sweat because I knew Brandon Graham was getting older, Derek Barnett hadnt proven as much as you’d like from pick 14 and even so if Barnett did and you had sweat your DEs are set for 5-7 years. I get Montez sweat had red flags with this healthy but I thought he could be really good DE in the league. 

Yup I liked sweat as well and would have been fine if they took him. I think with the run in DTs that eagles liked, Wilkins and Simmons that Howie had to change course and when dillard fell he made the move, but yeah I would have rather had sweat as well at that point 

55 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Herbig is fine. I get what you are saying they can’t pull. But he has been solid when they given him the chance to play. Now he has ups and downs but he’s been better than sua opeta, pryor and peters who all played guard at some time this year. 

The bigger issue is that pryor sucks. People can say Driscoll to pryor is not much of a downgrade but it really is. Driscoll when he’s been in there for the most part has been competent. Hes had his issues at times but for the most part he was getting better and better when he played. Pryor has not been good at all. Any point this season he has been terrible. I tell people to go watch the last three drives of the Seahawks game. He was beat routinely on those drives. They had a play for a touchdown to Hightower in that game late on one of those drives and he got destroyed at the start of the snap. 

This is why I give both the QBs (Hurts will struggle the rest of the way now that there's film) and the WRS a bit of a mulligan this year, this is the worst string of injuries I can remember on the OL, Dillard, Brooks, Peters (Toe when they bring him in), Seumalo (half the season), Lane, Opeta, now Driscoll.

They can't even keep the backups healthy!

Just to go into depth on the 2017 signings... 

Chris Long - 2 years $5.2M.  Ate $1.2M when he retired at the end (btw, he would have come back, if the team had said they were going to use him more - great pass rusher still.  Not great run stopper.) 
Patrick Robinson - 1 year league minimum
LaGarrett Blount - 1 year $1.25M
Stefen Wisniewski - 3 years $8.0M
Torrey Smith - 3 1 year deals at $5M each.
Alshon Jeffery -  1 year $9.5M   (how he's up to over $16M now is beyond me)
Nick Foles - 2 years $11M.

Chance Warmack - 2 years $3.9M

 

Notice anything about these deals?  None of them would set the franchise back far if they failed, or would be tough to get out of.  The Warmack deal was likely the single worst, and cost just $4M.  Howie loses $4M in cap space now just by picking up the phone when Jason Peters is on the line.  Howie is broken.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it depends if Howies back or not. I agree they SHOULD get rid of him, but I doubt they will. His contract is practically fully guaranteed at this point, I bet they will just play him and get whatever they can out of him, and just take the dead money in 2022 and bank on the new TV deals to soften the blow. Ones thing for sure, Lurie needs to limit if not stop all these dummy year contracts. 

In my mind, Howie is already gone.  

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup I liked sweat as well and would have been fine if they took him. I think with the run in DTs that eagles liked, Wilkins and Simmons that Howie had to change course and when dillard fell he made the move, but yeah I would have rather had sweat as well at that point 

I liked Wilkins as a prospect but I think Miami might have done us a favor reneging on our trade up for him. 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup I liked sweat as well and would have been fine if they took him. I think with the run in DTs that eagles liked, Wilkins and Simmons that Howie had to change course and when dillard fell he made the move, but yeah I would have rather had sweat as well at that point 

I absolutely loved Jeffrey Simmons in that class. I think HE and I were the two highest ones on him even with the injury he had. I thought he was going to be a Fletcher Cox type of defensive tackle. He went a couple picks before the Eagles. Initially I was surprised he went that high but the more I thought about it if he was healthy I thought he was going move up into the top 10 of that draft . I get he had a major knee injury but I thought that was an easier road to recovery than if it was an Achilles injury.

The only other defensive tackle in the last 3 years that I like as much is Jeffrey Simmons was Kinlaw. I love that kid. The Niners just replace Buckner with kinlaw and he’s cheaper and I think in a couple years he’s gonna be better

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I liked Wilkins as a prospect but I think Miami might have done us a favor reneging on our trade up for him. 

I still can't believe this team wanted to trade up for Wilkins. A+++ character, but man. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I absolutely love Jeffrey Simmons in that class. I think HE and I were the two highest ones on him even with the injury he had. I thought he was going to be a Fletcher Cox type of defensive tackle. He went a couple picks before the Eagles. Initially I was surprised he went that high but the more I thought about it if he was healthy I thought he was going move up into the top 10 of that draft if he was healthy. I get he had a major knee injury but I thought that was an easier road to recovery than if it was an Achilles injury.

The only other defense of tackle in the last 3 years that I like as much is Jeffrey Simmons was Kinlaw. I love that kid. The Niners just replace Buckner with kinlaw and he’s cheaper and I think in a couple years he’s gonna be better

I liked Simmons the player. Didn't like the injury after the way Jones was trending and didn't like his off field stuff. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah if you’re going to release Jackson it’s going to be as a post June 1 cut. Because it really doing it before that really doesn’t help you all that much in terms of the salary cap. Frankly at that point they’re better off just going into the season with him and hoping he produces and maybe somebody at the trade deadline needs a pass rushing defensive tackle

You guys aren't seeing it yet.  The cap in 2021 is already blown up.  There's no way to save it.   Cut your losses, take as much of a hit as you can for this year and don't drag any more dead money into 2022 than you absolutely have to.   That's why Howie needs to go.  Rolling Jackson's (or any of these others guys') dead money forward into 2022 is the worst move they can make...  This is bad, really bad.   Take your medicine and deal with it quickly, before it gets worse.

 

2021 is a year to get youth involved.  Young guys on cheap contracts, hungry to prove they can play in this league.  This team lost its hunger and drive after the Super Bowl.  Time to move on... and do so swiftly and a little painfully. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In my mind, Howie is already gone.  

I figured to convince myself he'll be back so its not disappointment if he is

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I figured to convince myself he'll be back so its not disappointment if he is

I'm serious, if he's back, I might watch a game here or there, but I won't be able to invest myself.  

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You guys aren't seeing it yet.  The cap in 2021 is already blown up.  There's no way to save it.   Cut your losses, take as much of a hit as you can for this year and don't drag any more dead money into 2022 than you absolutely have to.   That's why Howie needs to go.  Rolling Jackson's (or any of these others guys') dead money forward into 2022 is the worst move they can make...  This is bad, really bad.   Take your medicine and deal with it quickly, before it gets worse.

 

2021 is a year to get youth involved.  Young guys on cheap contracts, hungry to prove they can play in this league.  This team lost its hunger and drive after the Super Bowl.  Time to move on... and do so swiftly and a little painfully. 

Looking at over the cap and his contract it might actually benefit the eagles from cutting him post June 1 with the rollover money for 2022. it’s really a crappy contract  

 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I liked Wilkins as a prospect but I think Miami might have done us a favor reneging on our trade up for him. 

Wilkins is young, he hasn't been bad in Miami just not the impact player they or anyone has expected.

Simmons has struggled in Tenn as well and again he's still young.

A guy I really liked that I thought would be there was Dexter Lawrence. ( Giants took him a few picks earlier) I thought putting him next to Cox would be a great pairing, 

He's not a game changer but  he's got more sacks than Malik Jackson and he's a load in the run game.

15 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He was the throw in if we got Ertz out of here. 

Before the season(shocker, I took a ton of flack) I wanted Ertz out of here for literally ANYTHING. 

Yup. It was like when people suggested Jordan matthews be traded to make room for Agholor and people were like but jordan matthews and Carson have that celebration and are buds and Agholor is Agholor.

J Matt got traded Agholor started in the slot eagles won the super bowl.

Mattews was a highly popular player in the locker room and was best buds with the franchise qb, and howie made a business decision one of many that year and made the team better.

Since then howie has made so many decisions based on I'm not sure what, extending jeffrey then drafting JJaw to be his replacement??? Then playing him this year when he's clearly hurt and done.

To resigning Peters to run the FO???

And those are just 2 of the many blunders Howie has made since 2017.

Dude should have traded Ertz when he had value

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wilkins is young, he hasn't been bad in Miami just not the impact player they or anyone has expected.

Simmons has struggled in Tenn as well and again he's still young.

A guy I really liked that I thought would be there was Dexter Lawrence. ( Giants took him a few picks earlier) I thought putting him next to Cox would be a great pairing, 

He's not a game changer but  he's got more sacks than Malik Jackson and he's a load in the run game.

He's deceptively old, imo. He's about to turn 25 in 5 days which puts him on the older side for 2nd year players. Agreed its premature to say anything about his career, just the cost from 25 to 13 would at a minimum have cost us Sanders and more. Although, it probably would have cost us JJAW too and we wouldn't have to hear about DK Metcalf so much. 

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I absolutely loved Jeffrey Simmons in that class. I think HE and I were the two highest ones on him even with the injury he had. I thought he was going to be a Fletcher Cox type of defensive tackle. He went a couple picks before the Eagles. Initially I was surprised he went that high but the more I thought about it if he was healthy I thought he was going move up into the top 10 of that draft . I get he had a major knee injury but I thought that was an easier road to recovery than if it was an Achilles injury.

The only other defensive tackle in the last 3 years that I like as much is Jeffrey Simmons was Kinlaw. I love that kid. The Niners just replace Buckner with kinlaw and he’s cheaper and I think in a couple years he’s gonna be better

Yup I liked Kinlaw as well thought he was a stud, he'd look good in eagles green.

I'm sure in about 8 years when hes in his 30s old and benched howie will give him a big FA contract with multiple guaranteed years☹️

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm serious, if he's back, I might watch a game here or there, but I won't be able to invest myself.  

I hate saying this, but Howie is absolutely coming back. Throughout his entire tenure with this organization, Howie's decision-making powers have been a mystery. No one knows what picks he's made, which players he's advocated for, etc.  Due to his amorphous responsibilities, he's always able to deflect blame through timely placed media leaks. This is pure speculation on my part, but this all leads me to believe that Howie is public face of Lurie's meddling. Howie is Lurie's personal assistant and they bounce ideas off each other. Again, this is pure speculation, but if this is remotely true, there's no chance Howie gets fired. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's deceptively old, imo. He's about to turn 25 in 5 days which puts him on the older side for 2nd year players. Agreed its premature to say anything about his career, just the cost from 25 to 13 would at a minimum have cost us Sanders and more. Although, it probably would have cost us JJAW too and we wouldn't have to hear about DK Metcalf so much. 

True the JJaw Metcalf thing would be moot, that might be worth it alone😁