1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I wanted them to keep Torrey Smith.  But all I heard all-day-long in this blog was "Wallace is a huge upgrade over Smith, for less money, huge win, etc etc".

I remember watching both their films and thinking to myself, "I just don't see it".  Wallace had several decent years but I never thought he was an upgrade over Smith.  Especially given the fact that Smith already knew the system here, already was comfortable with both Wentz and Foles, etc.  I still scratch my head over that one. 

Ok.  Regardless, you are missing the boat on this.  It's about how they filled in for Smith (who retired after 2018 anyway, he might have done that here too, we don't know).   Instead of getting a younger option... or a cheaper option... they got an OLDER and PRICIER option.  They let Chris Long go (forced into retirement by not committing to use him enough to his liking... ) and replace him with a DT who costs nearly 4 times more.  $2.5M per year, versus average of $10M for Malik.    Just a terrible trade off.

 

So, like I said, Howie tried to replicate 2017 but instead of adding players of the same level as were leaving, he tried to go a bit higher and cost more and failed miserably.

Just now, RLC said:

And it was the correct decision. They should do that 100% of the time.

Could not disagree more.  Drafting Goedert started them down this path.  
 

That’s when they doubled down on bucking the obvious nfl trends, using a passing offense that didn’t extend beyond the LOS, and congesting the field.   

Goedert may be a good player, but his selection was the first move down this path.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Aside from the horrid personnel moves, I think the bigger issue is their philosophical problem (which I lost my marbles over in 2018).

They view (or at least did) the Z wr position as a token spacer in the offense.  Get one fast guy to complement 12 personnel and a big slow possession wr...with the bulk of the investment being in the TE’s and X.  
 

They chose to draft Goedert with quality Z prospects on the board while going into a season with Mike Wallace.  They chose to extend Alshon and draft JJAW as a long term replacement to overload the X position while leaving little left to scrape by with Desean at Z.

And then, in 2020, they allowed themselves to be forced to draft the best Z wr prospect on the board in round 1 because of how desperate they were.

This was not just a string of bad personnel moves; it was a philosophical problem with how they wanted to build their offense.  We are now seeing the results.

Agreed.   It's been brewing for a while.  Lots of layers to the dysfunction we see now.

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

Hollins is no world beater but he's a serviceable NFL WR, with eagles he looked promising as a rookie then fell off a cliff. 

JJAW as a rookie got the run around, they had no idea what they were doing with him and as bad as his rookie year was he looks even worse this year. He was actually active Sunday while Hightower was inactive. Why?

Agholor in Las Vegas actually looks like a competent WR here he was an inconsistent head case minus one year.

Took 13 weeks for the coaches to give Reagor an end around 

Took 13 weeks for watkins to get any snaps.

Fulgham after leading the league in yards for 4 weeks fell off a cliff.

Hightower after showing he could at least stretch the field at Z was inactive, I stead of continuing to build on what hightower was doing well which wasn't a ton they just give up because he isn't Randy moss?.

Rookies are going to have lulls and be inconsistent and make mistakes especially when their qb is inconsistent and if one just throws out the bath with the bathwater they don't get better.

Doug and Co need to be thrown out and this team needs an OC that is WR friendly.

When’s the last time we had good wideouts Maclin and Jackson?

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Could not disagree more.  Drafting Goedert started them down this path.  
 

That’s when they doubled down on bucking the obvious nfl trends, using a passing offense that didn’t extend beyond the LOS, and congesting the field.   

Goedert may be a good player, but his selection was the first move down this path.  

Goedert can win vertically, so no it didn't start them down any path. If you draft top 10 players at their position in the draft, that's a win. Saying otherwise is basically using hindsight powers.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

When’s the last time we had good wideouts Maclin and Jackson?

You want a more fun activity to compare talent at WR to the other 31 teams. 

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

No way.  Lurie's "copious notes" have always shown Howie to be right and EVERYBODY else (Banner, Reid, Riddick, Grigson, Chip, Douglas, etc.) to be wrong.

I'm not sure about that.  Lurie must have believed Chip over Howie or else Howie wouldn't of been demoted.

The issue there is that Chip messed things up badly, all around, almost ripped apart the team....it likely made Lurie regret that decision.  So if I was Lurie, I would probably think twice before giving someone else control of the team.

And tbh, I think Howie gets way too much heat.  For starters, he built the Super Bowl team.  His moves prior to the Super Bowl were outstanding. 

The team has been plagued by injuries since then but had the teams he put together stayed healthy, they were likely going to be perennial contenders.  Injuries are what has hurt this team the most over the past 2+ years, not the way Howie put together the teams. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure about that.  Lurie must have believed Chip over Howie or else Howie wouldn't of been demoted.

The issue there is that Chip messed things up badly, all around, almost ripped apart the team....it likely made Lurie regret that decision.  So if I was Lurie, I would probably think twice before giving someone else control of the team.

And tbh, I think Howie gets way too much heat.  For starters, he built the Super Bowl team.  His moves prior to the Super Bowl were outstanding. 

The team has been plagued by injuries since then but had the teams he put together stayed healthy, they were likely going to be perennial contenders.  Injuries are what has hurt this team the most over the past 2+ years, not the way Howie put together the teams. 

I don't believe so.  As I remember it, Chip gave Lurie an ultimatum that either Lurie gave him personnel power and banished Howie to the basement, or he would quit as head coach.  He had the leverage coming off two 10 win seasons in his first two years.

So Lurie caved and gave it to him, but obviously wasn't happy about it and likely planned to bring back Howie all along after firing Chip.  By strong-arming Lurie like that, Chip needed to have massive success, which he obviously didn't going 6-9 and giving Lurie the excuse needed to get rid of him and bring back his boy.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Goedert can win vertically, so no it didn't start them down any path. If you draft top 10 players at their position in the draft, that's a win. Saying otherwise is basically using hindsight powers.

I said it in 2018 verbatim when they drafted him. That’s just silly to say that a TE who won’t sniff 700 yards receiving through his first 3 years can win vertically and reflects any kind of commitment to that type of passing.  
 

Drafting Goedert reflected a greater emphasis on a complementary TE and 12 personnel than to vertical passing, separation, or the Z wr spot.  It’s a simple fact.  Just because he ended up a better player than many/most/all of our other crappy picks doesn’t change that problem.

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure about that.  Lurie must have believed Chip over Howie or else Howie wouldn't of been demoted.

The issue there is that Chip messed things up badly, all around, almost ripped apart the team....it likely made Lurie regret that decision.  So if I was Lurie, I would probably think twice before giving someone else control of the team.

And tbh, I think Howie gets way too much heat.  For starters, he built the Super Bowl team.  His moves prior to the Super Bowl were outstanding. 

The team has been plagued by injuries since then but had the teams he put together stayed healthy, they were likely going to be perennial contenders.  Injuries are what has hurt this team the most over the past 2+ years, not the way Howie put together the teams. 

Howie bears responsibility for the strength and conditioning staff because they’ve been here since before Doug was hired; Hingst has been the strength and conditioning coach since 2013, and there are 14 people employed in this conditioning and sports science staff.  All they accomplish year after year is produce an end result of a walking infirmary containing at least 1/3 of the active roster to start the season.  These coaches and assistants have no idea how to get the players in shape and strong enough to last a full season.

If I could, I would walk into Lurie’s office and tell him he can fire all 14 of them and let me take over.  I doubt I could do worse by myself.

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok.  Regardless, you are missing the boat on this.  It's about how they filled in for Smith (who retired after 2018 anyway, he might have done that here too, we don't know).   Instead of getting a younger option... or a cheaper option... they got an OLDER and PRICIER option.  They let Chris Long go (forced into retirement by not committing to use him enough to his liking... ) and replace him with a DT who costs nearly 4 times more.  $2.5M per year, versus average of $10M for Malik.    Just a terrible trade off.

 

So, like I said, Howie tried to replicate 2017 but instead of adding players of the same level as were leaving, he tried to go a bit higher and cost more and failed miserably.

Chris Long was terrific in his 2 years here ... just my two cents 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie bears responsibility for the strength and conditioning staff because they’ve been here since before Doug was hired; Hingst has been the strength and conditioning coach since 2013, and there are 14 people employed in this conditioning and sports science staff.  All they accomplish year after year is produce an end result of a walking infirmary containing at least 1/3 of the active roster to start the season.  These coaches and assistants have no idea how to get the players in shape and strong enough to last a full season.

If I could, I would walk into Lurie’s office and tell him he can fire all 14 of them and let me take over.  I doubt I could do worse by myself.

Totally agree.

Looks to me like he is overdoing it. Players quickly look absolutely shredded, build up an unnatural amount of muscle in no time - and then get injured.

He probably should ease up a bit on the training. Just a tiny bit.

Take this with a grain of salt as it was Sal pal on 975 a couple minutes ago. Talked about in the second half the Saints made an adjustment of where they had 7 to 8 guys close to the line to prevent Jalen hurts from getting to the outside with his legs and getting major yards like he did in the first half. They try to get hurts into the middle of the field if he was going to run where they could come up and gang tackle him and limit his yardage. Additionally he said they played a single high safety most of the second half. Said he wrote down his notes I hope Doug Is adjusting for it to help Jalen hurts otherwise this game is going to get close. Which It did. He didn’t think the Eagles did enough adjustment to the adjustment that the Saints made at halftime to limit Jalen hurts ability to get on the perimeter with his legs and kill the Saints like he did in the first half  

Has anybody watched the all 22 yet to confirm this. I was going to watch it tomorrow evening when I get home from work but I didn’t know if it’s already been up on the site. 

18 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Chris Long was terrific in his 2 years here ... just my two cents 

Very much so, especially at that cost.

21 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Chris Long was terrific in his 2 years here ... just my two cents 

Josh Sweat is kinda filling his role now

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I'm completely opposite, Howie screwed up, but has shown he can learn from his mistakes, and the guy did build a SB caliber team in two years from the wreckage left behind by Kelly, and that team could have gotten back to the show the last two seasons with a little injury luck.

Pederson on the other hand, has shown he's not a great offensive mind, doesn't trust or coach up young players, and is probably the wrong guy for a two year rebuild/reload.

I see I was a day early with my prediction.

5 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

With a 17 point lead heres what the Eagles offense did

Pass, run, Pass 3 and out

Pass, run, Pass, Pass, Run, Pass, Pass, Run run (stopped on 4th down)

Pass Pass Pass Run Pass Pass Punt

Run Pass, Pass, Run, Pass, Pass, Run(Touch down)

Run Run(fumble)

Run, Run, run. 

So outside of the 5 kneel/runs the Eagles with a lead the entire 2nd half had 16 to 9 ratio. 

 

 

How many were RPOs?

4 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

This very well might be right because none of us really know.

But the implication here is that Dennis Allen, DC of a top 3 defense in the league and a possible HC candidate, is a complete moron who had no idea Jalen Hurts was going to run.

I think it's also possible that through film study that teams saw the gameplans never changed to assist the QB and they just bet on that trend to continue.

11 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I think it's also possible that through film study that teams saw the gameplans never changed to assist the QB and they just bet on that trend to continue.

Also not talked about was it was the third road game in a row for the Saints. I think they also came out flat to start. Not taking away from hurts. He was good in the first half. Did what he needed too along with the eagles. However This isn’t some sort of outside the box thinking. The eagles under doug are 4-0 against teams playing their third road game in a row. 

A couple of things from reading the Blog after Sunday’s win...

* People talked about the OL giving up zero sacks now that Wentz was out. Hurts didn’t really sit in the pocket and go through his progressions. It was one read and run or one read and roll out. While Wentz took too many dumb sacks, I don’t think we should take much out of the zero sack performance. 

* People talked about how a good QB would have carved up the secondary Sunday. Maybe so, but the Eagles went from a predominant man team to a predominant zone defense against Hill because that’s what you do when you face a running QB, and one that isn’t a good passer. It’s a little simplistic, but the saying goes "play man to make the receivers beat you, and play zone to make the quarterback beat you.” They forced Hill to beat them and he couldn’t do it. That’s smart coaching. The zone also kept Hill from scrambling for a ton of yards. 

 

5 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Quote me where I said that.  I'll wait.  

sorry about that.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

It's good that Hargrave is living up to his massive contract because we need to restructure his deal to get under the cap for 2021.  He's young enough where it may not backfire.

When we trade Wentz to the Colts, can we work Hines into the deal?

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Josh Sweat is kinda filling his role now

Josh Sweat has done a nice job this year. And I’m hopeful he continues to get better, one of the few who’ve shown improvement.
 

Chris Long was absolutely terrific in ‘17 and ‘18.