3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Our weapons suck.  Boston Scott is one of the best guys on our team with the ball in his hands. It is what it is.

Are you okay?

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What don't you understand about Fulgham giving us a better chance of winning than Jeffrey? Is it Jeffrey's prolific 2 catches for 30 yards and a TD over 5 games? 

I was responding to the "hot hand" comment.  And technically, Jeffery is the "hot hand".  So by that standard, they would play Jeffery.

As far as who gives us a better opportunity of winning, you can debate that with the coaches. 

IMO, the most likely scenario is that they will scheme based on matchups, play calls, etc.  So we'll probably see both out there.  

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not sure I understand this reply.  Are you saying he will be a bad GM ??  What are you basing this on ??

Riddick will fail. He is not qualified to be a GM. Mayock is failing too. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I was responding to the "hot hand" comment.  And technically, Jeffery is the "hot hand".  So by that standard, they would play Jeffery.

As far as who gives us a better opportunity of winning, you can debate that with the coaches. 

IMO, the most likely scenario is that they will scheme based on matchups, play calls, etc.  So we'll probably see both out there.  

No reasonable person in this world would consider 2 catches, 30 yards and a TD over 5 games a "hot hand". Nobody. You're just flat out being obtuse. 

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I was responding to the "hot hand" comment.  And technically, Jeffery is the "hot hand".  So by that standard, they would play Jeffery.

As far as who gives us a better opportunity of winning, you can debate that with the coaches. 

IMO, the most likely scenario is that they will scheme based on matchups, play calls, etc.  So we'll probably see both out there.  

Fulgham was the hot hand when Jeffery came back and cooled off Fulgham's hand.  That's the reference.  But its good to have Jeffery's 'hot hand'.  Those 30 yards and 1 TD are huge.   Look at what Fulgham was giving before Alshon... and look at what you've got now combined between the two if you prefer, and tell me how adding Alshon did anything positive.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not sure I understand this reply.  Are you saying he will be a bad GM ??  What are you basing this on ??

He has some bad takes. Don't know if it's just shtick or honest. 

 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Riddick will fail. He is not qualified to be a GM. Mayock is failing too. 

No way to know what Riddick would do, and Mayock is not failing.  He has been there for two drafts.

Ruggs is doing what a rookie speedster should do.

Damon Arnette - tbd - played well but has missed time with Covid

Bryan Edwards - 8 for 131 as a rookie, in a crowded WR room

Clelin Ferrell - sack numbers need to be better, but has played will and good against the run

Josh Jacobs - enough said

Johnathan Abram - played well but missed time with Covid

Maxx Crosby, 16 sacks in 1 1/2 years

Foster Moreaus - 26 for 285 and 7 TD's.  Better stats from a 4th round TE than our second round WR from the same draft.

Hunter Renfrow - 96 catches for 1199 and 6 TD's, see above

Dude is knocking it out of the park compared to our last two drafts.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let's try this:  There's not a coach in the NFL that would take the hottest WR (age 25) in the entire NFL for the previous 5 weeks, and put him on the bench to make room for a 30 year old, overpriced, slow, recovering from major injury cap liability that they tried desperately to trade but couldn't find a single nibble for 2 years... that has back stabbed the QB who is currently struggling, while that same QB has shown chemistry with the QB.

 

No coach that's worth his salt looks at the draft status of a player, while that player is blowing the league up... and thinks... "how do I get this guy off the field?"  

Do you think that's the only reason they started playing Jeffery? 

Or could it also be that (according to film) Fulgham hasn't been getting "as open" as he was getting during his "hot streak?(He's also dropped a few very catchable passes since his "hot streak")   Could it be that Wentz wasn't targeting Fulgham, even when he was open (as shown on film)? 

Or let's just blame the coach because, you know...that's what we like to do around here. 

The reality is that there are "lots of moving parts".  It isn't "this" or "that".  It's a combination of many things.  I questioned Fulgham not getting as many snaps/targets as well when he first started to "cool off".  And I'd like to see him get better.   If he develops into a player as an UDFA, what a huge win for the team!

47 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Man, the way you analyze football is just baffling. Fulgham is young and cost controlled. Was playing well when he was being targeted 10x or more a game. Yes, he has issues with drops, it's the reason he was even available as a street FA anyway. As soon as Jeffrey was inserted, it killed all Fulgham's momentum AND development. Look at those game logs. It's ridiculous to assert that Jeffrey should be starting over Fulgham. Jeffrey's "hot hand" was good for 1 catch for a 15  yard TD. I'll be amazed if Jeffrey even hits 100 yards receiving on the year. 

I think it's Doug.

AFan is Howie

Ace is Doug

20 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Arthur Blank just did it 2 months ago with the Falcons.  Both Quinn and Dimitroff got fired on the same day.

Having said that, Howie will not get fired.  The best any Eagles fans who want change can hope for is for Howie to get reassigned into an admin job away from football operations — but that looks very doubtful.

Now that you mention Blank, I think I can recall an owner firing hc and gm in the same offseason about a year or 2 ago and watching to a segment on tv about the challenge of who to hire first: HC or GM.

That being said, I respect Blank now for having the balls to say enough is enough, you’re both fired. Having said that, good luck hoping Lurie will do that 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

No reasonable person in this world would consider 2 catches, 30 yards and a TD over 5 games a "hot hand". Nobody. You're just flat out being obtuse. 

I don't think that's "hot'...but when comparing it to Fulgham's last 2 games, it technically is "hotter".  That's all.  

 

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Or could it also be that (according to film) Fulgham hasn't been getting "as open" as he was getting during his "hot streak?

The game before Alshon came back he caught 6 for 75 and a TD on 7 targets.  Who cares how "open" the film says he is.  The film also said he produced, and has the most yards and TD's on the team.

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Now that you mention Blank, I think I can recall an owner firing hc and gm in the same offseason about a year or 2 ago and watching to a segment on tv about the challenge of who to hire first: HC or GM.

That being said, I respect Blank now for having the balls to say enough is enough, you’re both fired. Having said that, good luck hoping Lurie will do that 

I had also forgotten DET just fired Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn last month as well.  Might not be a good idea to follow the Lions blueprint on anything, though.  Their owner said publicly before the season that the team needed to be playing meaningful games in December or they’d both be out — which was completely asinine for an owner to do, because it basically neutered both of them before camp even started this year

 

Just now, downundermike said:

The game before Alshon came back he caught 6 for 75 and a TD on 7 targets.  Who cares how "open" the film says he is.  The film also said he produced, and has the most yards and TD's on the team.

Does he think the "film" is showing slow arse Alshon open?

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I had also forgotten DET just fired Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn last month as well.  Might not be a good idea to follow the Lions blueprint on anything, though.  Their owner said publicly before the season that the team needed to be playing meaningful games in December or they’d both be out — which was completely asinine for an owner to do, because it basically neutered both of them before camp even started this year

 

You guys are missing the big one, the day BOB the coach and BOB the GM got fired.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

For what its worth, I loved Huff, thought he had huge upside but couldnt stay out of his own way

Huff was a waste of a pick. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fulgham was the hot hand when Jeffery came back and cooled off Fulgham's hand.  That's the reference.  But its good to have Jeffery's 'hot hand'.  Those 30 yards and 1 TD are huge.   Look at what Fulgham was giving before Alshon... and look at what you've got now combined between the two if you prefer, and tell me how adding Alshon did anything positive.

 

IDK, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on.  Like I said, I like Fulgham so there won't be resistance from me if folks want to see more of him.  I was just pointing out the way coaches likely "think" when it comes to this stuff.

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't think that's "hot'...but when comparing it to Fulgham's last 2 games, it technically is "hotter".  That's all.  

 

Greg Ward has 10 catches for 77 yards and a TD the last two games.

Alshon Jeffrey has 1 catch for 15 yards and a TD the last two games.

By your rational, I expect Greg Ward to lead the Eagles in snaps and targets this week, as he is the hot hand.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

For what its worth, I loved Huff, thought he had huge upside but couldnt stay out of his own way

Another in the long list of players we could not develop.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He has some bad takes. Don't know if it's just shtick or honest. 

 

Lol I like riddick but you forgot arguably his worst take. "Maserati Mitch” was later benched for chase Daniel 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Do you think that's the only reason they started playing Jeffery? 

Or could it also be that (according to film) Fulgham hasn't been getting "as open" as he was getting during his "hot streak?(He's also dropped a few very catchable passes since his "hot streak")   Could it be that Wentz wasn't targeting Fulgham, even when he was open (as shown on film)? 

Or let's just blame the coach because, you know...that's what we like to do around here. 

The reality is that there are "lots of moving parts".  It isn't "this" or "that".  It's a combination of many things.  I questioned Fulgham not getting as many snaps/targets as well when he first started to "cool off".  And I'd like to see him get better.   If he develops into a player as an UDFA, what a huge win for the team!

I don't think it's a coincidence that Fulgham fell off a cliff when Alshon returned and he lost snaps to him. I didn't expect him to replicate what he did against Pittsburgh and Baltimore on a weekly basis and we all knew water would find its level, but it's like the guy isn't even on the team anymore. I know he's struggled with some drops, but when you're only seeing 15 or so snaps a game it's hard to get into a rhythm.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Riddick will fail. He is not qualified to be a GM. Mayock is failing too. 

Mayock is objectively doing a fine job so far.  Excellent 2019 early draft results and the team is progressing in the win-loss column.  He did an exemplary job getting rid of AB with haste, as well

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Do you think that's the only reason they started playing Jeffery? 

Or could it also be that (according to film) Fulgham hasn't been getting "as open" as he was getting during his "hot streak?(He's also dropped a few very catchable passes since his "hot streak")   Could it be that Wentz wasn't targeting Fulgham, even when he was open (as shown on film)? 

Or let's just blame the coach because, you know...that's what we like to do around here. 

The reality is that there are "lots of moving parts".  It isn't "this" or "that".  It's a combination of many things.  I questioned Fulgham not getting as many snaps/targets as well when he first started to "cool off".  And I'd like to see him get more targets and snaps.  If he develops into a player as an UDFA, what a huge win for the team!

You can defend Doug all you want... but, like I said in the last post on this very topic... show me a single shred of evidence that adding Jeffery has done anything positive to help the offense.  Defend Doug with something other than what ifs.

 

Fact 1: Fulgham was tearing up the league and was the top statistical WR in the league for 5 weeks (Week 4-8), incidentally, his only 5 weeks with the Eagles.
Fact 2: Jeffery returns to the line up in Week 10 (Eagles were on bye in Week 9).

Fact 3: The combined stats of Fulgham and Jeffery don't match Fulgham's stats alone during ANY week that Fulgham played without Jeffery's presence.

Fulgham's worst performance pre-Jeffery was 2 catches, 57 yards, and 1 TD.

Fulgham and Jeffery together haven't come really even close to that since Jeffery has returned.

 

 

Again, tell me what Jeffery has brought to this offense since that time that was missing before he was there? 

Reminder: Eagles were scoring over 25 points per game on average during those 5 weeks.
Next 5 weeks: 17, 17, 17, 16, 24.   

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Mayock is objectively doing a fine job so far.  Excellent 2019 early draft results and the team is progressing in the win-loss column.  He did an exemplary job getting rid of AB with haste, as well

We draft JJaw, and Hunter Renfrow was a 5th round pick, and he wants to say Mayock is failing.  What a clown.

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hunter Renfrow - 96 catches for 1199 and 6 TD's

 

 

Just you guys wait till the real hot hand D-Jack, comes back.

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The reality is that there are "lots of moving parts".  It isn't "this" or "that".  It's a combination of many things.  I questioned Fulgham not getting as many snaps/targets as well when he first started to "cool off".  And I'd like to see him get more targets and snaps.  If he develops into a player as an UDFA, what a huge win for the team!

BTW, many of those moving parts are on the coaches.  There's been a myriad of bad personnel decisions and flatly, misuse of players all season.  The flanker screen to Ward continues to stand as the shining beacon of stupidity.  Not that they tried it once or twice, but that it was a major part of the offense and you could count on it happening sometimes 2 or 3 times a game... for a total of 6 yards.   Doug hasn't shown much in terms of putting players in a good position to maximize their skill set.   Reagor not getting the ball in space on designed plays.  Sanders going into the witness protection program constantly.

 

And Fulgham was not a UDFA.  He was a 6th round pick of Detroit that the Eagles picked up on the waiver wire.  Let's keep the facts straight.  And like I said, the 'cool off' of Fulgham was really precipitated by the return of Jeffery.  That fact is undeniable.  Now, whether there's causation or not, that's debatable, but there's no debate that those events are correlated.