8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I would be great to see DJax have a stellar game...it's usually exciting to watch and the team usually wins when he goes off like that. 

But I have no idea what the Eagles are thinking.  As you know, I'm a DJax fan. If they decide to bring him back on a team friendly deal, it would be fun to watch him go at it for another year.   

And like I said, I have no idea what the F.O. is thinking.  Not to mention the fact that there could be teams out there that might sign him if it doesn't work out with the Eagles, etc. 

Don't feel bad.  From what I can see of the last few years, they don't either.

11 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

What part of Cost/Benefit analysis do you not understand?  I'm ok w/DeSean coming back for $1M/yr, not $35M/yr like Carson Wentz.

Do you understand the difference between $1M and $35M?

I do but i don’t really care about the money at this point with desean. You are a desean washer that can’t admit that you bashed people for using wentz’s past to even justify him playing still or being on the team like he could be salvage. But willing to using desean’s best season coming 4-5 years ago past to justify him having a roster spot even if it is a million. 

Do you actually understand how hypocritical it sounds for you to justify bringing a guy back who hasn’t been healthy or what he was for 4 years now even at veteran minimum but bash people wanted to bring back wentz after 1 bad season and 3 previous seasons where he was productive. Money aside cause the eagles are stuck with wentz’s contract anyway. 

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because it’s DeSean. Like it’s amazing people on here call others washers meanwhile desean can’t stay healthy, is unreliable week to week and is going to be 34/35 but yet believe he’s just going to stay healthy even for 4 games and be a benefit to us next year even at a veteran minimum. Talk about washers. Epitome of calling someone a washer and then doing the same exact thing for a player you like who’s past his prime. 

They're hypocrites. Plain and simple

13 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

What part of Cost/Benefit analysis do you not understand?  I'm ok w/DeSean coming back for $1M/yr, not $35M/yr like Carson Wentz.

Do you understand the difference between $1M and $35M?

But you want to get rid of Carson for a 35 million dead cap hit ? 

21 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sure it is. If you ask Pederson right now if he thinks Desean should be the starting WR next year, the answer should emphatically be no. 

He would probably respond the same way he did when asked about Mailata.

Most head coaches don't think that way during the season.  Most are concerned with how to best prepare the team to win that week, as they should be.

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If they decide to bring him back on a team friendly deal, it would be fun to watch him go at it for another year.   

 

So you want to go with the current model.  Rely on constantly hurt veterans, consistent line up shuffling, stunted development of younger players.  You say you like Jalen Hurts and want him to be the future, but you want the team to do the same thing to him that they have done to Carson Wentz this year.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He would probably respond the same way he did when asked about Mailata.

Most head coaches don't think that way during the season.  Most are concerned with how to best prepare the team to win that week, as they should be.

Just because he probably would respond that way, doesn't mean its the right response. Desean and Alshon have no place on this team next year, and if they are put into any prominent role, the season is over before it begins. 

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

They're hypocrites. Plain and simple

It’s exactly what it is but they’re trying to spin with the money is the reason. No when people brought up wentz’s past production (more recent than desean’s) for their justification they should bring him back and trying to salvage him, they didn’t wanna hear it about his past brought into the discussion. The only reason why you would bring DeSean Jackson back is because his past looks great if you go beyond the last two years he’s here. 

wentz’s contract you are in a bind whether he’s here or not. So it doesn’t make a difference as it’s an issue either way. Like if you took away everything DeSean did before he got to Philadelphia again would you offer him anything to come back? No because he’s unreliable and he can’t stay healthy and taking up a roster spot. Yet wants to give him a minimum contract for things he did 3-5 years ago. It’s literally the thing he bashed wentz washers for using 2017 and then saying well before 2019 and 2020 DeSean Jackson was great so we should give him a roster spot since it’s a minimum contract even though that was 3-4 years ago since he stayed healthy and was ultra productive. 

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

They're hypocrites. Plain and simple

Yep.  Wanna throw away a QB who set the Eagles single season records for passing  yards last year, the single season TD record in 2017, but wanna pump up DeSean Jackson because of his past with the Eagles that was 3 teams and 6 years ago.  DeSean has 1058 yards the last 3 years, Justin Jefferson has 1078 this year.  They need to quit living in the past, and by the past, I mean 6 years ago.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But you want to get rid of Carson for a 35 million dead cap hit ? 

Getting rid of Carson now means $33M cap hit in 2021 only, but saves $34M so we NET save $1M in cap in 2021  Then we're free and clear of his albatross contract in 2022 and onwards. 

Keeping him means a cumulative $130M of cap hits over the next 4 years.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

So you want to go with the current model.  Rely on constantly hurt veterans, consistent line up shuffling, stunted development of younger players.  You say you like Jalen Hurts and want him to be the future, but you want the team to do the same thing to him that they have done to Carson Wentz this year.

What are you talking about?  Of course I would like to see DJax come back and have a good season.  He's an exciting player to watch. 

I never once said he would or would not be back.  That's a decision between the FO and him.  

I've liked what I have seen so far from Hurts but I never said I expected for him to be the future.   He's a rookie who's started in 1 NFL game.  Obviously not nearly enough of a sample size.  And we have no idea what will happen with Wentz.   He may get his issues fixed in the off season and come back strong. 

 I don't even understand the rest of your paragraph. What did the team do to who? 

Maybe we can sign Maclin and McCoy next year 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s exactly what it is but they’re trying to spin with the money is the reason. No when people brought up wentz’s past production (more recent than desean’s) for their justification they should bring him back and trying to salvage him, they didn’t wanna hear it about his past brought into the discussion. The only reason why you would bring DeSean Jackson back is because his past looks great if you go beyond the last two years he’s here. 

wentz’s contract you are in a bind whether he’s here or not. So it doesn’t make a difference as it’s an issue either way. Like if you took away everything DeSean did before he got to Philadelphia again would you offer him anything to come back? No because he’s unreliable and he can’t stay healthy and taking up a roster spot. Yet wants to give him a minimum contract for things he did 3-5 years ago. It’s literally the thing he bashed wentz washers for using 2017 and then saying well before 2019 and 2020 DeSean Jackson was great so we should give him a roster spot since it’s a minimum contract even though that was 3-4 years ago since he stayed healthy and was ultra productive. 

It's a salary capped league Einstein.  The money ALWAYS matters.  If the guy COSTS $35M, he needs to bring SUPERSTAR level production.  If the guy COSTS only $1M, a slight contribution is fine.

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 I don't even understand the rest of your paragraph. What did the team do to who? 

The problem with this team this year, and the last couple is constant roster and line up shuffling due to relying on oft injured, over priced veterans that are being forced into the lineup due to their cap numbers at the expense of developing younger players.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But you want to get rid of Carson for a 35 million dead cap hit ? 

This goes back to the fact he didn’t want hear people talk about 2017 wentz when they made their argument for wentz being brought back and salvaged. his contract is what it is. You are taking a hit regardless. 

And this is now going into a spin as well I’m only gonna give desean a veteran minimum so it’s different. So you can only justify giving desean a roster spot or any contract based on things he did prior to coming to Philadelphia as he’s had two bad injuries in 2 seasons here and is unreliable so to guarantee a roster spot and justify giving any contract has to come from when he was still reliable and productive which hasn’t been this year or last. So it’s ok to justify guaranteeing desean a roster spot and giving a contract based off past history over 2 years ago but you don’t care to hear when others say 2017 wentz for their argument. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The problem with this team this year, and the last couple is constant roster and line up shuffling due to relying on oft injured, over priced veterans that are being forced into the lineup due to their cap numbers at the expense of developing younger players.

I'm sure they will take all of that into consideration in the off season.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This goes back to the fact he didn’t want hear people talk about 2017 wentz when they made their argument for wentz being brought back and salvaged. his contract is what it is. You are taking a hit regardless. 

And this is now going into a spin as well I’m only gonna give desean a veteran minimum so it’s different. So you can only justify giving desean a roster spot or any contract based on things he did prior to coming to Philadelphia as he’s had two bad injuries in 2 seasons here and is unreliable so to guarantee a roster spot and justify giving any contract has to come from when he was still reliable and productive which hasn’t been this year or last. So it’s ok to justify guaranteeing desean a roster spot and giving a contract based off past history over 2 years ago but you don’t care to hear when others say 2017 wentz for their argument. 

Wrong again.  Every extra year you keep Carson around, you're on the hook for another $35M in guarantees which will become DEAD CAP when you get rid of him.  Just because we're on the hook for $35M in 2021 cap doesn't mean we should double down and add on another $35M for 2022 by bringing him back next year.

But since you don't understand such a simple concept of Cost/Benefit Analysis, there's no way you would understand Sunk Cost Fallacy.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm sure they will take all of that into consideration in the off season.

Should have done it last off season, then we would not be in this situation, would have drafted appropriately.  Carson would have been fine and we would not be having this conversation.

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Just because he probably would respond that way, doesn't mean its the right response. Desean and Alshon have no place on this team next year, and if they are put into any prominent role, the season is over before it begins. 

Maybe maybe not   But again, that's all stuff that will be handled in the off season. 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong again.  Every extra year you keep Carson around, you're on the hook for another $35M in guarantees which will become DEAD CAP when you get rid of him.  Just because we're on the hook for $35M in 2021 cap doesn't mean we should double down and add on another $35M for 2022 by bringing him back next year.

But since you don't understand such a simple concept of Cost/Benefit Analysis, there's no way you would understand Sunk Cost Fallacy.

You are the only one that has made up his mind that Carson is done.  NFL people have not, and I will trust their opinion over yours.

10 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong again.  Every extra year you keep Carson around, you're on the hook for another $35M in guarantees which will become DEAD CAP when you get rid of him.  Just because we're on the hook for $35M in 2021 cap doesn't mean we should double down and add on another $35M for 2022.

But since you don't understand such a simple concept of Cost/Benefit Analysis, there's no way you would understand Sunk Cost Fallacy.

No i do. I get that point of your argument. However you don’t understand that you’re also hypocrite. Literally the only way you could justify giving desean a guaranteed roster spot or any contract based on his production and value before he got to the Eagles. Cause last two years says he doesn’t deserve either a contract or roster spot. Yet you are making it because of what he did years ago as to why you’d consider giving him a minimal contract  

Yet when people brought up wentz last 3 years or 2017 you didn’t want to hear it as to why they should bring him back and he could return to form. And you really werent overwhelmingly concerned with the money when they discussed that. It was more you thought he sucked and his past stats didn’t justify more recent production/play. I’m sorry you can’t understand that’s why it’s hypocritical. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Should have done it last off season, then we would not be in this situation, would have drafted appropriately.  Carson would have been fine and we would not be having this 

Are you blaming the rest of the team for Carson Wentz' issues this year? 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Are you blaming the rest of the team for Carson Wentz' issues this year? 

Nope, he has had his own issues, but they are compounded by injuries, 12 offensive line combos in his 13 starts, the team starting players who are not the better man for the job, bad play calling and offensive scheme.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Nope, he has had his own issues, but they are compounded by injuries, 12 offensive line combos in his 13 starts, the team starting players who are not the better man for the job, bad play calling and offensive scheme.

Injuries, I agree.  And the offensive line has done a commendable job all things considered.

As far as the play calling and offensive scheme, I tend to disagree.  We should get a better idea in the next 3 games if the scheme/play calling are the issues or not. 

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No i do. I get that point of your argument. However you don’t understand that you’re also hypocrite. Literally the only way you could justify giving desean a guaranteed roster spot or any contract based on his production and value before he got to the Eagles. Cause last two years says he doesn’t deserve either a contract or roster spot. Yet you are making it because of what he did years ago.

Yet when people brought up wentz last 3 years or 2017 you didn’t want to hear it as to why they should bring him back and he could return to form. And you really werent overwhelmingly concerned with the money when they discussed that. It was more you thought he sucked and his past stats didn’t justify their argument. I’m sorry you can’t understand that’s why it’s hypocritical. 

You are creating a straw man.  I’d be ok taking a chance on Carson becoming adequate again if his contract wasn’t such an albatross.  Because it is, there’s no choice but to get rid of him ASAP.  Every extra year we keep him has a high probability of an extra $35M in cap being flushed.  
 

That has been my stance from the beginning.  Don’t misrepresent my stance to bolster your weak arguments.