22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep.  Wanna throw away a QB who set the Eagles single season records for passing  yards last year, the single season TD record in 2017, but wanna pump up DeSean Jackson because of his past with the Eagles that was 3 teams and 6 years ago.  DeSean has 1058 yards the last 3 years, Justin Jefferson has 1078 this year.  They need to quit living in the past, and by the past, I mean 6 years ago.

Exactly. I don’t disagree with him on those money parts. That’s not been my argument. However if you’re justifying giving somebody a roster spot and contract when his last two years he’s been injured, he’s older now, and unreliable but you’re willing to do that for him it isn’t because the last two years. This goes back to 3 to 6 years ago when he was good that you would be willing to do that. That’s what you’re basing it on to justify why you’d do it. So when people used wentz’s last 3 years to justify their reasoning he just completely dismissed the last 3 year prior. And really the money aspect wasn’t his main reasoning for it then. 

 

Interesting article in the Athletic today. If you had a choice which franchise would you want to take over going forward the Eagles or Bears now taking your Eagles fandom out of it I’d be hard pressed not to take the Bears job. 
 

Still have a solid Defense with Khalil Mack at 29 and I believe a few offensive weapons and the Bears are contenders. Thoughts???

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Injuries, I agree.  And the offensive line has done a commendable job all things considered.

As far as the play calling and offensive scheme, I tend to disagree.  We should get a better idea in the next 3 games if the scheme/play calling are the issues or not. 

 

Flanker screen to Greg Ward repeatedly with Wentz in the line up, Flanker screen to Reagir last week.  Tells me all I need to know.

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Should have done it last off season, then we would not be in this situation, would have drafted appropriately.  Carson would have been fine and we would not be having this conversation.

That’s my main beef with Howie currently; he said flat-out before the season started that the team wasn’t going to try to patch things together anymore with short-term veteran guys.  He was either lying or he’s changed course, again — because the organization hasn’t committed to getting younger, faster and cheaper this season.  
 

Keep the young guys on the field and start developing them.  There was nobody in the fan base that wanted Jeffery back in the lineup, the majority knew that Peters was cooked, and the majority knew that Desean had very little left.  These guys taking snaps and playing time away from the future development of Fulgham, Mailata, and even a guy like Hightower is just wrong.

Doug is coaching like a guy who knows he’s getting fired.  It’s too bad he doesn’t have the stones to tell Howie he’s going with youth, if that direction is coming from above.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope, he has had his own issues, but they are compounded by injuries, 12 offensive line combos in his 13 starts, the team starting players who are not the better man for the job, bad play calling and offensive scheme.

Honestly I’m gonna let the rest of the season determine that. If the Oline continues to play better under Jalen Hurts then I think you gotta put Carson under that microscope. If they struggle as they have with Hurts than Carson gets that pass. 

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Interesting article in the Athletic today. If you had a choice which franchise would you want to take over going forward the Eagles or Bears now taking your Eagles fandom out of it I’d be hard pressed not to take the Bears job. 
 

Still have a solid Defense with Khalil Mack at 29 and I believe a few offensive weapons and the Bears are contenders. Thoughts???

Definitely Bears.  Their talent level is at least as good as ours and their cap situation is much better.  The only way we are better is if Hurts ends up the real deal.

14 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You are creating a straw man.  I’d be ok taking a chance on Carson becoming adequate again if his contract wasn’t such an albatross.  Because it is, there’s no choice but to get rid of him ASAP.  Every extra year we keep him has a high probability of an extra $35M in cap being flushed.  
 

That has been my stance from the beginning.  Don’t misrepresent my stance to bolster your weak arguments.

Whatever you want to say to justify your desean washer arguments for bringing him back. But keep moving the goal posts of your past arguments (prior to today) where not once did you say you’d keep wentz only that he sucked and needed to be gone and people needed to stop using his past production. But hey straw man meet moving the goal post 

Also your weak argument of well it’s only a veteran minimum is weak as he is 34-35, can’t stay healthy, unreliable and taking up a roster spot of someone who could be a young player who could help the eagles down the road and not hoping desean can do anything for a season when the last two years has proven you should just move on. 

multiple people call you out for your hypocritical stance. 

13 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You are creating a straw man.  I’d be ok taking a chance on Carson becoming adequate again if his contract wasn’t such an albatross.  Because it is, there’s no choice but to get rid of him ASAP.  Every extra year we keep him has a high probability of an extra $35M in cap being flushed.  
 

That has been my stance from the beginning.  Don’t misrepresent my stance to bolster your weak arguments.

He has never been better than adequate ??

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Flanker screen to Greg Ward repeatedly with Wentz in the line up, Flanker screen to Reagir last week.  Tells me all I need to know.

So I gotta ask and it’s a legit question not being sarcastic or a troll any of those nice words but why would Doug sabotage Carson and put his self on the hot seat by losing so many games? 
 

Everyone keeps bringing up the players on the field and the play calling with Wentz compared to Hurts but why would Doug sabotage himself in the process?

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe we can sign Maclin and McCoy next year 

Don't know if you remember but I certainly remember them suggesting getting those guys back too. There were a bunch of "bringing the band back together" posts

I of course was against that

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope, he has had his own issues, but they are compounded by injuries, 12 offensive line combos in his 13 starts, the team starting players who are not the better man for the job, bad play calling and offensive scheme.

I think we're on our 13th now

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He has never been better than adequate ??

In 2017 he was great.  In 2016 he was bad.  In 2020 he’s the worst.  In 2019 and 2018 he was slightly better than average.

So yes, anyone hoping for more than adequate is likely to be disappointed.

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The O line doesn't play "under a QB".  Also, Hurts has the benefit of not seeing #71's butt.  

For lack of a better word I used under but you get my point. Let’s see what happens the next 3 games. 
 

As for 71 Doug would probably play him if healthy. Crazy thought. 

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

So I gotta ask and it’s a legit question not being sarcastic or a troll any of those nice words but why would Doug sabotage Carson and put his self on the hot seat by losing so many games? 
 

Everyone keeps bringing up the players on the field and the play calling with Wentz compared to Hurts but why would Doug sabotage himself in the process?

A key indicator of a Wentz Washer is trucking in conspiracy theories that make zero sense.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

A key indicator of a Wentz Washer is trucking in conspiracy theories that make zero sense.

I just think it’s a fair question to ask. Doug is on the verge of being fired. Did he Sabotage Carson at his own expense? It’s like me cutting the brakes on your car to kill you but I’m the driver. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He has never been better than adequate ??

His inability to see how he could be justified with his point on money but still come off as a hypocrite for when he bashed people’s arguments for keeping wentz due to past production (which would be the only reason you could even remotely justify keeping desean at this point) is amazing. Both of those could be true. And his bashing of wentz people at the time was less about the money and it had everything to do with him thinking he was done and sucked when people used 2017 or 2017-2019

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

His inability to see how he could be justified with his point on money but still come off as a hypocrite for when he bashed people’s arguments for keeping wentz due to past production (which would be the only reason you could even remotely justify keeping desean at this point) is amazing. Both of those could be true. And his bashing of wentz people at the time was less about the money and it had everything to do with him thinking he was done and sucked. 

It’s a salary cap league Einstein.  EVERY DECISION is about money.  I’m not wasting my time pointing that out in every post because people like you don’t understand such a simple concept.

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

It’s a salary cap league Einstein.  EVERY DECISION is about money.  I’m not wasting my time pointing that out in every post because people like you don’t understand such a simple concept.

I understand that perfectly buddy. That doesn’t take away from the fact the only way you could justify bringing back desean is if you use stats of production from 3+ years ago to justify giving him a roster spot. It’s very desean washer of you.

Justify your desean cause it’s a minimum salary even though the last two years justified he probably should just retire as his body can’t stay healthy anymore and you are likely wasting a roster spot on someone who’s not long term fix and going into a likely rebuild. But hey he lets give him a roster spot that negates a younger player that could be part of the future cause you can’t let go of what he did 3+ years ago so you can justify it is only a veteran minimum cause of his past

At least 3 times I can think of 'Eagles QB controversies'. Feeley played well and pushed McNabb to then play better. Result: 2nd rd pick for Feeley. 2nd rd Kolb came and pushed McNabb more, out the door in fact(where he went on win 20 SBs not). Then Vick stepped in after injury to push Kolb, and took over. Kolb ALSO got a 2nd rd pick in a trade. We'll never know how much having Foles pushed Wentz in 2017, only that Wentz hasn't looked the same since. All the money, all 3 times was in huge starter salaries the eagles lost in McNabb, Vick, and now Wentz. The backups ALWAYS paid off. When someone brings up this 'Dreaded QB Controversy', I have to ask: WTF are you talking about?

34 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Injuries, I agree.  And the offensive line has done a commendable job all things considered.

As far as the play calling and offensive scheme, I tend to disagree.  We should get a better idea in the next 3 games if the scheme/play calling are the issues or not. 

 

Um.... what?   

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And that's my point.  He was one of the worst lineman on the field when he was playing.  Regardless of where he was.  Hurts doesn't need to see that.  And, spare me the next 3 games BS.  People want Carson gone no matter what because he's a corny midwestern bible thumper who loves guns.  That has a lot to do with the hate.  The next 3 games isn't enough to properly judge Hurts and damn Carson.  It should be enough, to make a change at HC and GM.  The whole situation is a mess.  

I think your missing the point. I’m talking about the Oline only. Not Hurts VS Carson. If the Oline continues to play well with Hurts then I think Carson deserves more of the blame and the Oline isn’t an Excuse. If they play as they did with Hurts then Carson has a legit excuse for his troubles. 
 

Also i am a Christ follower as well and I love my guns too so that has nothing to do with the hate or I’m my case question about his performance. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Um.... what?   

Well last week the did a commendable job. Outside I that I can understand the scrutiny. 

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Flanker screen to Greg Ward repeatedly with Wentz in the line up, Flanker screen to Reagir last week.  Tells me all I need to know.

Are you saying the coaches intentionally sabotaged Wentz and/or the team? 

15 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

So I gotta ask and it’s a legit question not being sarcastic or a troll any of those nice words but why would Doug sabotage Carson and put his self on the hot seat by losing so many games? 
 

Everyone keeps bringing up the players on the field and the play calling with Wentz compared to Hurts but why would Doug sabotage himself in the process?

Incompetence is far more logical than sabotage.  Doug honestly thinks the flanker screen to Ward is a good play — just like he still thinks the two-yard pass out in the flat to the TE is a good play, no matter how many times it goes for two yards or less 

31 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You are creating a straw man.  I’d be ok taking a chance on Carson becoming adequate again if his contract wasn’t such an albatross.  Because it is, there’s no choice but to get rid of him ASAP.  Every extra year we keep him has a high probability of an extra $35M in cap being flushed.  
 

That has been my stance from the beginning.  Don’t misrepresent my stance to bolster your weak arguments.

So... if the Eagles cut Carson, took all the dead money on him in 2021, and brought him back for vet minimum you'd be ok with that?