1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

It’s a conspiracy theory made up by your fellow Wentz Washers.  Doug has apparently been sabotaging carsy poo by calling bad plays to make him look bad.  Now that Hurts is in, Doug is calling good plays again. 🤣

Who?  The only people I've seen post about that theory are haters.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually thought Driscoll was great in pass pro in this game. They really didn’t have breakdowns between him and herbig when there were blitzes like we saw when pryor and peters were on the right side. Run blocking given the fact was Saints defense and dealing with the injury he had as better than what you could’ve probably asked him for. He was infinitely better than pryor who’s been out there healthy.

The reps he got this year should benefit him going forward. Ditto for herbig. I think herbig is a nice backup guard to have who can in a pinch be a starter for a week or two. great value in that for the eagles. I think you’d still ideally want an upgrade. 

The best part is that they're all still young and will likely get better with time/experience.  If Kelce retires, I heard rumors that they may put Seumalo at Center, then we would likely have:

-Mailta LT/Swing, Dillard LT/Swing, Johnson RT

- Brooks, Driscoll (also swing T), Herbig as guards. 

Plus all the other younger guys. (Prince, Pryor, etc).

Not too shabby.  They would likely bring in another piece or two but that's not a bad foundation, umo.

 

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

These are my exact thoughts.  I think he looks at Wentz as a pure pocket passer (despite all the facts, results, and evidence) because Doug P is not very bright.  

That's what he wants him to be.  At the same time, Wentz' body might be more suited for that now too.  He's not as agile as he was even two years ago.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Betrayed?  They gave him a $130M contract and he turned into a pumpkin.

In reality, Carson Wentz betrayed the Eagles by being too stubborn to fix his weaknesses.  Instead they are worse than ever.

9 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I don’t think he sabotaged the play calling on purpose. I think he was clueless how to help his struggling QB/OL/WRs. 
 

The playcalling against the Saints though was no doubt completely different than what we’ve seen with Wentz all season though. 

So as soon as Hurts was starter Doug grew brains and figured it out? I’m sorry this excuse doesn’t make sense. 

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

So as soon as Hurts was starter Doug grew brains and figured it out? I’m sorry this excuse doesn’t make sense. 

I didn’t make any excuses. The play calling being different last game is a fact.  It has been pointed out numerous times this week by a lot of analysts. 

16 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I don’t think he sabotaged the play calling on purpose. I think he was clueless how to help his struggling QB/OL/WRs. 
 

The playcalling against the Saints though was no doubt completely different than what we’ve seen with Wentz all season though. 

I don’t think it’s sabotage. I just don’t think the Eagles over the last three years have been very good at making adjustments in till they get to December. I’ve complained about it for the better part of three years now. It was even like that in 2016 if you go back and watch (only difference is they had success first three weeks of the season but after the bye it was much of this from week 5 to December)

Sheil kapadia said it really well in their Wednesday podcast after he watched the all 22. You weren’t going to rely or implement the QB running as much with Carson Wentz. Because Carson has had an injury problems in the past so you’re not gonna run him nearly as much to put him at risk. and you’re not gonna utilize his legs to run because he tends to not get out of bounds and take unnecessary hits at time. Something hurts is better at is avoiding hits and knowing when to go out of bounds. 

To me this is a three-year problem. 2018 with Nick Foles and Carson Wentz the first three months of the year they couldn’t figure things out with their personnel. December comes around they seem to have a lightbulb moment in the Rams game (using smallwood more in that game at the start) and figure things out. Now that year it began to revert back over the last three weeks of that season from Washington to bears to the Saints game to what they had been looking like most of the time on offense. In 2019, they had similar issues for the first three months. Then in December, Carson Wentz and the offense looks better as they start adjusting to the strength of the personnel that they have. not just rely on what their offense should be if everyone were healthy and they have the personnel they ideally want it (some of that was also opponents that they played). This year with hurts and in December we see an option end around with reagor (runs with reagor on multiple weeks when we’ve been asking for more of it for weeks since he came back), moving the pocket/rollouts with hurts (strengths of his due to his ability to run/legs) and more motion like Watkins only reception, or sanders swing pass out of it or more crossing routes. 

30 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

But then who would entertain you and keep the balance of good and evil in the ole blog?

Hurts is in. We won’t be punting much😉

You right about that with all the fumbles.  What is he good for? Around one fumble per thirty snaps. Somewhere close to that. 

27 minutes ago, hputenis said:

The blog needs a guy like me to point their fingers at and say "that’s the bad guy”. 

5 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

You right about that with all the fumbles.  What is he good for? Around one fumble per thirty snaps. Somewhere close to that. 

So what your saying is we won’t miss a beat with Wentz out?  Got it. 

8 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I didn’t make any excuses. The play calling being different last game is a fact.  It has been pointed out numerous times this week by a lot of analysts. 

So Doug Sabotage Wentz and put himself on the hot seat cause he wanted Hurts. Yeah 👌 

18 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I don’t think he sabotaged the play calling on purpose. I think he was clueless how to help his struggling QB/OL/WRs. 
 

The playcalling against the Saints though was no doubt completely different than what we’ve seen with Wentz all season though. 

They don't want to believe this

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Yes. From the 2nd rounder to not helping Wentz out when he started struggling in the beginning. Bringing Peters back. Taking Fulgham out and putting Alshon in. Not running the ball. There's so many things they could have done to help their franchise QB

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The best part is that they're all still young and will likely get better with time/experience.  If Kelce retires, I heard rumors that they may put Seumalo at Center, then we would likely have:

-Mailta LT/Swing, Dillard LT/Swing, Johnson RT

- Brooks, Driscoll (also swing T), Herbig as guards. 

Plus all the other younger guys. (Prince, Pryor, etc).

Not too shabby.  They would likely bring in another piece or two but that's not a bad foundation, umo.

 

I’m not so sure they want move seumalo over to center anymore. I think the initial plan was he was going to slide in for kelce. But I also think the Eagles didn’t expect Jason kelce to play at the level he has from 2016 to 2020. A lot of people after 2015 were down on kelce. He’s had pretty good success at left guard. 

I kind of think the Eagles are better off seeing if one of these younger players they’ve signed or drafted could be the center like Jurica/bama kid or go into this draft if Kelce does retire and see if they can find a center they like in the middle rounds and develop him. Mailata, seumalo, brooks and lane can be your stabilizers  if you move seumalo you don’t know yet if he can play center as well as LG and you need to find a LG thats comparable to him  

 

Just for fun and to break up the idea that DJack back next year is a good idea no matter the cost (it isn't by the way)

If you had to pick a scenario

A. Howie, DP, Wentz gone or

B. Howie, DP, Wentz back but Hurts traded for a 1st?

38 minutes ago, greend said:

Know what lm gonna try that with my health and wellness coach. Speaking of health the covid test came back negative. Back to work tomorrow. Although I still feel under the weather. Lol

Feel better soon - maybe this team doesn't help things either. 

18 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Who?  The only people I've seen post about that theory are haters.  

What are you talking about? Every since Wentz was benched all the talk is how the play calling is better with Hurts and how Doug is now using the right players in set plays. The lengths people will go to protect the guy is crazy. 

28 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Speaking as a "Wentz washer," is there anyone here that actually believes Doug P sabotaged the play calling with Wentz on purpose?    Or is that a conspiracy theory made up from the Wentz haters?  

Of course he didn't. I think he expected more from Wentz. Trouble is that he forgot winning was more important than passing. 

I like Carson Wentz but he has issues and it is possible that he is playing at his level given the challenges around his. That his play represents his current skill as a QB given the situation around him and that there is not some mystery that needs to be figured out. Might just be Occam's Razor. There are some pretty identifiable issues.

1. Throwing motion -- he "wings" (ball drops below his elbow during his windup -- this is one of the biggest red flags for a QB) and has has an open stance. Both of these things decrease the consistency with which he is accurate. Efficiency and consistency are, IMO, more important than the spectacular play. In combination with has ball security problems, he kills drives with wasted downs and possessions that a more consistent and perhaps less highlight reel QB would. Below is the comparison. Hurts has a better throwing motion and better footwork. The difference in the two of them on swing passes is huge. Wentz often makes the receiver/RB stop their motion to catch the ball whereas Hurts appears to be able to put it right in front of the receiver/RB and they catch it in motion. At the NFL level, this is a huge difference in terms of the outcome of those plays.

2. Is he coachable or does his self confidence approach arrogance? He struggles in Doug's offense and you hear way to much "hero ball" and "he doesn't take what the d is giving" and "he holds the ball way to long." All of these degrade the scheme and create inefficiency during possessions. All of these are part of his decision making process.

3. What happened to him with regard to his decision making process? Something did. He is not the unstoppable 3rd down machine that he was in 2017. This might be all about the parts around him but he doesn't seem to be reading defenses or processing his progressions very well. Something is up and maybe its temporary and maybe not but whatever it is, his play has been horrible this season.

4. Leadership. There always seems to be smoke around his leadership qualities. Most recently people citing that he is a know-it-all and it rubs people the wrong way. It certainly has seemed like the team rallies around Foles and Hurts with a different vibe than Wentz.

All together it adds up to what we've seen. What if he and Doug are not a good fit? I don't buy the "Doug changed the offense so it worked better for Foles or Hurts." After 5 years, they should be on the same page and the fact is that they don't seem to be in terms of Wentz executing Pederson's scheme.

Sometimes it is best to simply do what is best for everyone and move forward instead of a continuous game of Clue to figure out which room and weapons Wentz needs in order to succeed and all other combinations are wrong.

 

31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm sure you can blame Wentz for that as well

Also glad it was negative

 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Feel better soon - maybe this team doesn't help things either. 

Thanks my friends 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what he wants him to be.  At the same time, Wentz' body might be more suited for that now too.  He's not as agile as he was even two years ago.

Agreed with the bolded, but I still think he's an idiot for thinking that.  While Wentz is clearly not as mobile as he was before his knee injury, there are plenty of QBs that aren't mobile at all that have also proven to be much more successful rolling out with a moving pocket.  Baker Mayfield and Goff immediately come to mind.  

While I would love it if Wentz could develop into a better pocket passer, that thinking is what got him murdered this season.  

6 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

So Doug Sabotage Wentz and put himself on the hot seat cause he wanted Hurts. Yeah 👌 

Where are you getting that from? 
 

I clearly said "I don’t think Doug sabotaged play calling on purpose”. 

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

So as soon as Hurts was starter Doug grew brains and figured it out? I’m sorry this excuse doesn’t make sense. 

Carson's last 4 games, 25:75 run pass ratio. 

18 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

You right about that with all the fumbles.  What is he good for? Around one fumble per thirty snaps. Somewhere close to that. 

He has 45 passed, 25 runs and 1 reception.  81 touches, 4 fumbles.  I every 20.25 touches.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Carson's last 4 games, 25:75 run pass ratio. 

That’s because we are behind all game because Carson is misfiring.  When you’re behind you have to pass more to try to catch up.