2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

They want to make the playoffs (debate as to whether they should isn't relevant here). DeSean is a better option at PR than Ward.

for who for what?  He shouldn't even be on this team. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It has been reported for weeks Jeremy Chinn was the highest rated player on their board, and Howie over ruled them. 

No offense, but targeted media leaks can't be taken at face value.  It's very possible Hurts was higher on their board, if for nothing else due to positional value.

8 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

farve kept rodgers on the bench and he was rated a 1st rounder early 2nd , wentz should have done his job and hurts would never have seen the field.

Again favre was 35 when he was drafted. And 2 of the 3 years rodgers sat on the bench they were 4-12 and 8-8. He had 20 tds to 29 ints. And 18 ints to 18 tds in those two years. I mean that’s about what you were getting from Carson wentz out on the field. Bunch of turnovers and some touchdown passes and a below average team  

 Favre’s last year they were 13-3 but at that point it was either trade rodgers or move forward with him cause he only had one year left on his deal before his 5th year option. Like favre wasn’t not very good in 2005 and 2006. 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

It's certainly possible they don't know what they're doing now.  They've obviously made a lot of personnel mistakes in the draft and w/the cap.

But re: the Hurts pick, that was basically one year after giving Carson the massive extension.  And right after Carson got himself knocked out of a playoff game with this typical reckless and foolish play.  Making it the 3rd season in a row he couldn't finish healthy.

One year is plenty of time for them to reconsider things.  Then when a prospect who reminded them of Russell Wilson was there in the 2nd, they decided to take him as a cheap backup, and also to serve as a hedge against Carson's injury history.

Agree they didn't think Carson would regress this much, but they probably knew in the back of their minds they couldn't count on him for one reason or another.

They haven't made 6 good personnel decisions since Feb 5th, 2018... literally the day after the Super Bowl.   I would ask you to look at the moves they've made, and try to find 6 that you'd say are good.   That would be just 2 each offseason.   An NFL team should be able to point to 2 moves easily every offseason and say, "That was a good idea".  6... that's all I'm looking for.  That would still be a pathetic list, but I looked and had a hard time coming up with 4.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Go look at our run pass ratio in those years.

I guarantee it was not 25:75.  I guarantee we were not leading the league in yards per carry while being 29th in carries.

He forgot how to coach...

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not if you’ve been complaining about the first 3 months of the season in 2018, 2019 and 2020. Then saying the eagles always somehow figure it out with now with 3 different QBs 

He’s clearly got it out for Carson. I’m convinced. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They haven't made 6 good personnel decisions since Feb 5th, 2018... literally the day after the Super Bowl.   I would ask you to look at the moves they've made, and try to find 6 that you'd say are good.   That would be just 2 each offseason.   An NFL team should be able to point to 2 moves easily every offseason and say, "That was a good idea".  6... that's all I'm looking for.  That would still be a pathetic list, but I looked and had a hard time coming up with 4.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Howie.  The front office has been a train wreck, and he deserves to be fired.

But that doesn't mean the Hurts pick was a bad one.  Only time will tell on that.

Just now, jwill2420 said:

He’s clearly got it out for Carson. I’m convinced. 

I never said he did. I just said there’s a major problem when 3 years in a row you struggle for 3 months and then December rolls around and with 3 different QBs seem to have a light bulb moment and figure it out. That’s got nothing to do if he hates or loves wentz. Just proves there’s another issue going on where this team for 3 consecutive seasons has had the same exact issue happen and magically in December they seem to figure it out with 3 different QBs 

16 minutes ago, greend said:

You guys talking to the trolls like at some point they're gonna get it. Bwahahahahaha

Don’t laugh so hard oldtimer ya might break a hip. 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'm not going to sit here and defend Howie.  The front office has been a train wreck, and he deserves to be fired.

But that doesn't mean the Hurts pick was a bad one.  Only time will tell on that.

Ok.  So, Howie needs to go.  Because he has failed at his job.   We agree.   Moving on.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I never said he did. I just said there’s a major problem when 3 years in a row you struggle for 3 months and then December rolls around and with 3 different QBs seem to have a light bulb moment and figure it out. That’s got nothing to do if he hates or loves wentz. Just proves there’s another issue going on where this team for 3 consecutive seasons has had the same exact issue happen and magically in December they seem to figure it out with 3 different QBs 

Not necessarily.  3 seasons is a small sample size.  It could be solely due to luck.  It could be due to the schedules being front loaded and  easier at the back end.  It could be because they got healthier at the end of the year.

It's not anywhere near as simple as you're making it seem.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok.  So, Howie needs to go.  Because he has failed at his job.   We agree.   Moving on.

Too bad Lurie isn't going to fire him.  And if Hurts looks good, that could be all the justification Howie needs to stay on for many more years.

Amusingly, as of now it appears Howie's biggest mistake was to give that massive contract to Carson Wentz.  Curiously, that is a move you and your fellow Carson apologists aren't questioning at all.

I love the favre held off rodgers and was mentally tough enough to preserve. 

meanwhile first two years rodgers was on the bench

20 tds and 29 ints and 4-12 record 

18 tds and 18 ints and 8-8 record. 

Looks like that went swimmingly the first two years for the packers. 

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Not necessarily.  3 seasons is a small sample size.  It could be solely due to luck.  It could be due to the schedules being front loaded and  easier at the back end.  It could be because they got healthier at the end of the year.

It's not anywhere near as simple as you're making it seem.

Too bad Lurie isn't going to fire him.  And if Hurts looks good, that could be all the justification Howie needs to stay on for many more years.

Lol. Whatever justification you want to make for it. It’s been a problem even after their hot start in 2016. The only outlier year where they were consistently good week to week has been 2017. So whatever narrative you want to run with the outlier has been 2017 for doug and wentz with their offense having consistently through an entire season. 

three years in the NFL is a Fing eternity. What do you need 10 years of seeing the same thing over and over again in til you want to admit it. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I never said he did. I just said there’s a major problem when 3 years in a row you struggle for 3 months and then December rolls around and with 3 different QBs seem to have a light bulb moment and figure it out. That’s got nothing to do if he hates or loves wentz. Just proves there’s another issue going on where this team for 3 consecutive seasons has had the same exact issue happen and magically in December they seem to figure it out with 3 different QBs 

The whole team and QB position is two different arguments. Carson Wentz numbers have been steady since 2017. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. Whatever justification you want to make for it. It’s been a problem even after their hot start in 2016. The only outlier year where they were consistently good week to week has been 2017. So whatever narrative you want to run with the outlier has been 2017 for doug and wentz with their offense having consistently through an entire season. 

The biggest factor is probably weak December schedules.  Since the league likes to save divisional matchups for late in the year, that means the Eagles have been feasting on NFC East opponents in December.  So its no surprise since the NFC East has been pretty bad.

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

The whole team and QB position is two different arguments. Carson Wentz numbers have been steady since 2017. 

My point was the whole team has a flaw as this has been the third consecutive season It’s been an issue and 3 different QBs changed it in December. Foles, wentz and now hurts have changed the course in December. And in 2018 it wasn’t just wentz at the beginning of the year they couldn’t figure crap out with Nick Foles the first two weeks of the year. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My point was the whole team has a flaw as this has been the third consecutive season It’s been an issue and 3 different QBs changed it in December. Foles, wentz and now hurts have changed the course in December. And in 2018 it wasn’t just wentz at the beginning of the year they couldn’t figure crap out with Nick Foles the first two weeks of the year. 

I agree. The team is flawed. No argument here. 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The biggest factor is probably weak December schedules.  Since the league likes to save divisional matchups for late in the year, that means the Eagles have been feasting on NFC East opponents in December.  So its no surprise their success late since the NFC East has been pretty bad for awhile.

That’s fine. However it’s not like they play every single divisional game in December. They play some early on the season too and struggled in some of them. 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

I agree. The team is flawed. No argument here. 

To me I don’t think it’s just wentz or just doug. I think it’s both of them. I don’t think they’re very compatible with each other. And I think the biggest culprit here for the meh roster is howie Roseman.

And really this all starts with Jeffrey Lurie. And let’s just be honest with ourselves this organization outside of 2017 seems to have dysfunction every year since 2010. 

Watching, "Maybe Next Year".  I haven't seen it yet but so far so good.

The one part when the two Philly Cops are talking to each other at 7 AM watching Eagles fans begin their tailgating was pretty funny...

Officer 1: "I don't like seeing people drinking beer at 7 AM"

Officer 2: "Well, let's just hope the Eagles win."

Officer1: "Yep, because if they lose it's going to be real bad."

Officer 2 "We don't like it when they lose because  the fans take it out on us." 

23 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Remember though he was fine with Wentz just last season coming off injury. So I guess Doug was knew how to use Wentz in 2017-2018-2019 but 2020 He lost his mind and decided to betray him. 

 

I don't even know why you'd include 2017 as part of your argument.  Outside of the last 4 games of 2019 (and week 1), Wentz has been utilized terribly by Doug P, and I'd argue what Wentz did at the end of the season last year was unreal.   It was well documented how defenses defended this ridiculously slow, bunched up offense.  The weapons, the speed, the OL, and the play calling has gotten progressively worse year after year.  So has Wentz.  I'm not denying that.   

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To me I don’t think it’s just wentz or just doug. I think it’s both of them. I don’t think they’re very compatible with each other. And I think the biggest culprit here for the meh roster is howie Roseman.

And really this all starts with Jeffrey Lurie. And let’s just be honest with ourselves this organization outside of 2017 seems to have dysfunction every year since 2010. 

I agree. I never was a fan of Doug (strange cause it must seem like I’m defending him) I’m all for HC change after this season. Depending on what happens. 

Hurts played against the Saints, who are the #2 ranked total defense in the NFL

This Sunday he’s facing the Cardinals, who are #12

Next Sunday he’s facing DAL, who are ranked #23

Should fans be concerned if his passing numbers stay below 200 yards per game?  I think most fans agree he can scramble and run against NFL defenses; I’m hoping to find out how well he can move the ball through the air in these last 3 games.

 

31 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

All true and equally probable to anything I posed. I feel really bad for the young man and he has clearly not been supported properly. Just the combo of his self confidence and Pederson and Taylor if they are conflict averse with him is enough to set him back or not challenge him to address some negative tendencies. I remember him talking about how much he liked tests that Flip would give him and Reich might have been comfortable as a teacher rather than a cheerleader.  He has regressed and it is not all his fault. The problem for the Birds is that situations like this are really hard to put back together and it looks like it is mostly on him to try and figure out how to do it.

Post more.  

For Mr. everyone throws for 4000 yards in this era @Arsenal79.

In the last 5 years, with 32 teams in the NFL, there was 160 opportunities to throw for 4000 yards.

56 times a QB has thrown for 4000 yards.  So that is 35% of the time QB's throw for 4000 yards.

Of those 56 times a QB has thrown for 5000 yards, 35 of those ( 62.5 % ) have has been by 10 QB's.

Once again, you guys like to make idiotic statements to discredit someone, when the facts are totally the opposite.