9 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I mean, he pretty much built the Cleveland team that you see today, no?

His fingerprints are on it but Berry gets some credit for overhauling the o-line by signing Conklin and drafting Wills as well upgrading the coaching staff. There was also a lot of mid to bottom of the roster churning. Dorsey built the 6-10 2019 Browns. 

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Lots of other REALLY good players stayed in

In the PAC-12? Lots of other really good projected top 10 players opted out too. 

I’ll just add, it’s kind of weird to see Eagles fans say "Lol, look what the Browns did with the picks from the Wentz trade” and are now saying "yea, let’s get that guy in here as GM.” 

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's the problem.  They knew they were both out on Monday.  Why wait until the Friday before the Sunday game to do this?  IR them ASAP, poach 2 PS guys from other teams and get a 3 game trial on 2 players.  An extra week of practice can show you a lot.  Heck, Carson is playing great in practice now.

Instead, they will use their own PS guys.  The piss poor roster management continues.  It's infuriating. 

I believe that the slots open from Driscoll and Maddox are being filled by Bachie and Pierschbacher.  Bachie just moved to the active roster and Pierschbacher should be close.  Covid rules delay practice squad and waiver guys from immediately joining the roster so there is a period into which opening slots on the roster can be made.

Just curious, which player with no experience with the Eagles defense would have come in for a Tuesday tryout and cleared Covid protocols after the last practice of the week that you would have stuck on a plane to play in AZ this week?  I believe this year, the practicality of it is the reserves are on the PS.   The reality is, there really isn’t much there in street FAs and they signed a couple of those a couple of weeks ago.  

The reality is the starting corners are likely Mills, who may be needed at S as only Epps, Wallace, Riley and maybe Ford are available, Jacquet, who I would like to see more of to get his measure, NRC, who has NFL experience, and Seymour, who has NFL experience.  If Mills plays CB, the nickel S may be Riley, which I would like to see.  Houston has experience playing with Arnold at Baylor although Arnold isn’t making the trip.  Interesting that Countess is listed as a CB on the roster.   I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford was inactive as I am not sure how healthy he is.  

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe this offseason we can bring in 5 consultants to help get players for our 5 OC’s

A consultant for the running game, a consultant for the passing game, a consultant for 1st downs, a consultant for 3rd and long, and a consultant for goal line! 

 

Genius!

 

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

A consultant for the running game, a consultant for the passing game, a consultant for 1st downs, a consultant for 3rd and long, and a consultant for goal line! 

 

Genius!

 

We could also use a consultant for the consultant search as well as an assistant to the consultant. 

If Howie needs to bring in help for talent evaluating, why should we keep him at all?

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I believe that the slots open from Driscoll and Maddox are being filled by Bachie and Pierschbacher.  Bachie just moved to the active roster and Pierschbacher should be close.  Covid rules delay practice squad and waiver guys from immediately joining the roster so there is a period into which opening slots on the roster can be made.

Just curious, which player with no experience with the Eagles defense would have come in for a Tuesday tryout and cleared Covid protocols after the last practice of the week that you would have stuck on a plane to play in AZ this week?  I believe this year, the practicality of it is the reserves are on the PS.   The reality is, there really isn’t much there in street FAs and they signed a couple of those a couple of weeks ago.  

The reality is the starting corners are likely Mills, who may be needed at S as only Epps, Wallace, Riley and maybe Ford are available, Jacquet, who I would like to see more of to get his measure, NRC, who has NFL experience, and Seymour, who has NFL experience.  If Mills plays CB, the nickel S may be Riley, which I would like to see.  Houston has experience playing with Arnold at Baylor although Arnold isn’t making the trip.  Interesting that Countess is listed as a CB on the roster.   I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford was inactive as I am not sure how healthy he is.  

Bachie took Johnsons roster spot, Seymour took Peters. Piers takes one of Driscoll/Maddox, the other one is open. 

46 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie did a bad job because he buried us in a a bad cap situation, which only gets worse in 2022 unless harsh steps are taken immediately this offseason with the plan to dig out immediately.

Howie did a bad job because he brought back and overpaid aging jnjury plagued veterans and expected them to play like they did in their prime.

Howie did a bad job because he traded away draft picks for rental players that the coaches never figured out how to incorporate.

Howie did a bad job because rather than looking to fill in spots like RB (JK Dobbins would have beena great fit at backup RB here) he chose to make this team 'a QB factory' rather than putting legitimate weapons around his QB.

Howie did a bad job because he threw more money at DT, rather than recognizing that WR was the biggest problem area.

Howie did a bad job, because he brought back Jason Peters again... and paid him more money (which we cant afford), rather than find a better solution... or just let it roll with what we had and let the yoing guys grow into the job.  (Not ideal, but ncuh cheaper and much more fruitful for the obviously needed rebuild to come than wasting money, practice and game reps on a 38 year old HAS BEEN.)

Howie did a bad job because he lacked any type of foresight... the thing he's supposed to be good at, and dug a deeper hole in the cap with his offseason moves, even after we knew that Covid was going to impact the economics.  Expensive DT and expensive CB...

Defense has not been ignored.  Defense has been filled with failed draft picks and failed trades at CB.  And lots of money at DL, and tons of money at S, while not putting any succession plan in place.  Not negligence, incompetance.  

I am not a huge fan of Hurts as a player but a real backup QB was a need for the team.  JP was seen as a stop gap. I like the Slay trade and Hargrave is starting to pay off.  I absolutely agree that the cap issue lays at his feet.  But the thing I have real doubts about is whether Lurie will strip him of GM again.  

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don’t buy it.  

Hmmm what’s more likely. The guy that had good LBs throughout his coaching career decided to suddenly ignore the position or the team that hasn’t valued good LBs in 15 years decided that they still don’t value LBs. 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am not a huge fan of Hurts as a player but a real backup QB was a need for the team.  JP was seen as a stop gap. I like the Slay trade and Hargrave is starting to pay off.  I absolutely agree that the cap issue lays at his feet.  But the thing I have real doubts about is whether Lurie will strip him of GM again.  

A backup, sure.  A rookie backup isn't really a reasonable plan if you are looking to make a push in January.   It makes perfect sense if you are looking to pull the rug out from under your franchise QB.

 

Peters was paying  lot of money to put a broken pipe into an already broken plumbing system.  It was dumb.  It was dumber to pay him more to move to LT.

 

Slay was a bad move, period.  In a vacuum, sure makes sense.  In light of everything else... it was (once again) extremely short sighted... same as Desean, same as Alshon, same as Malik Jackson.   And surprise surprise a 29 year old CB ended up being less effective than he was in previous years elsewhere.  

Hargrave was a matter of misallocation of funds.  They were already top heavy at DT, but decided to go there again.  But wouldn't go there at WR for some reason?  Stupid.   Again, in a vacuum, nothing wrong with the Hargrave move.  But, this team hasn't failed in a vacuum. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bachie took Peters roster spot. Piers takes one of Driscoll/Maddox, the other one is open. 

I thought Seymour took Peters spot. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Howie needs to bring in help for talent evaluating, why should we keep him at all?

The help is here to be the fall guy.

Howie needs to succeed or fail on his own.  It’s absurd that they keep finding babysitters for him.

Howie is no longer the problem.  Lurie is responsible for this FO structure.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We could also use a consultant for the consultant search as well as an assistant to the consultant. 

But who do we consult with to find these consultants?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I thought Seymour took Peters spot. 

Yea I edited it. They placed Johnson on IR and then signed Bachie. Then did Peters/Seymour. Bachie is on the active roster now, and it sits at 51 + 2 that were elevated for the game. When they revert back to the PS, Pierschbacher will take one spot and they probably will poach another guy on Monday.

14 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

A consultant for the running game, a consultant for the passing game, a consultant for 1st downs, a consultant for 3rd and long, and a consultant for goal line! 

 

Genius!

 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

But who do we consult with to find these consultants?

Our other consultant Scot McCloughan 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well they did poach a PS guy, that O-line guy from Washington Pierschbacher who will count as a roster spot once he’s done his testing. But no clue why they aren’t using the other spot for Prince Tega. The only o-line backups tomorrow are Toth and Juriga.
 

 

I thought that was from a different roster move.  I dunno anymore

5 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

But who do we consult with to find these consultants?

Depends.  The trail of consultants needs to be just long enough so that the dominos can’t ever reach all the way back to Howie and Lurie for any bad decisions.  

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

But who do we consult with to find these consultants?

37 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Lots of other REALLY good players stayed in

I don't watch college ball but people on here are saying he's a generational talent. Bengals are likely taking him though

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am not a huge fan of Hurts as a player but a real backup QB was a need for the team.  JP was seen as a stop gap. I like the Slay trade and Hargrave is starting to pay off.  I absolutely agree that the cap issue lays at his feet.  But the thing I have real doubts about is whether Lurie will strip him of GM again.  

I don't want him back in any capacity. Howie needs to be fired

Just now, eagle45 said:

Depends.  The trail of consultants needs to be just long enough so that the dominos can’t ever reach all the way back to Howie and Lurie for any bad decisions.  

Hell, even if it does, they wouldn't accept blame anyway. They'll fire Bob the janitor, or Sally in payroll.

16 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

41 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

A consultant for the running game, a consultant for the passing game, a consultant for 1st downs, a consultant for 3rd and long, and a consultant for goal line! 

 

Genius!

 

37 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am not a huge fan of Hurts as a player but a real backup QB was a need for the team.  JP was seen as a stop gap. I like the Slay trade and Hargrave is starting to pay off.  I absolutely agree that the cap issue lays at his feet.  But the thing I have real doubts about is whether Lurie will strip him of GM again.  

At this point, doing anything with Howie besides firing him is laughable from Lurie.

Grow a pair and make a decision.  How do you strip a guy of the GM title twice while still keeping around?  That’s a joke.