9 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Watson moving fluidly out of the pocket and finds Fells breaking open for a TD. Dammit Doug, bring back the RPO and get Wentz moving again. It's not rocket science.

Holy Jesus, preach!

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m a Wentz guy, but the magic from 2017 is gone, the only question is can be be revived. He’s clearly not the same guy, I mean he’s just not. I think any sentiments to the contrary are people living in denial.

He has regressed in every single area. He doesn’t run anymore. His accuracy is declining. His decision making is devolving. His mechanics are falling apart.

Sure the potential is there, but right this second through 2 games he’s playing like a bottom 3rd QB. Every drive is a grind because of the accuracy issues. Very few of his passes are in stride or on target. He’s sailing passes all over, missing reads and throws. It’s bad man.

i don’t know what happened to him but since the ACL tear he just hasn’t been the same,

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The only move is to continue to coach and support him, while hoping for the best.  We are committed.  There is nothing to be gained from pulling the plug right now.

The right answer, however, is not to "play to Wentz's strengths," cast aside any aspirations of him becoming a good pocket QB, and just let him run around, constantly roll out, and play like a JV recess QB.  The minute you give up trying to refine him into a better QB is when you give up on him and should just look elsewhere.

Make him do it right.  He gets all of this year and all of 2022.  And if he hasn't won a playoff game at that point, then you move on.

Definitely best OL available. They can't keep reviving Peters every season.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We might be top 10 bad. The schedule is tough, and we are not. 

MAYBE 1-7 at the bye

4 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

Doug's offense is F'ing boring.

I'd probably clarify this as his second half offense, which reeks of him not making adjustments. They moved the ball pretty well and had some creative stuff in the first half. Same in the WAS game. 

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So... let's say we get a top 5 spot in the draft next year. What do we do? What position do we go? Because I'm scratching my head big time. 

I'd bet OLine.

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Definitely best OL available. They can't keep reviving Peters every season.

Drafting a LT renders yet another Howie high draft pick, Dillard, useless.  Dillard is a LT only.  He can't play anywhere else on the OL even at the backup level, which even limits his utility existing on the roster as a backup.

So if you spend a first round pick on a LT, then we are casting aside one more Howie pick onto the crowded heap.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

So do you blame that on Carson or coaching? If you know he has the ability ans has shown it why the decline? Coaching is high on my list. None of the coaches he had in his most successful year are here. I see coaching as a big issue on Wentz. Not 100% on them but a big factor

Impossible to say because I’m not at practices, but I think a bit of both. But overall I don’t really think Wentz is a naturally accurate passer, he never was even in college. He needs to use his athleticism combined with great play calling and scheming to win. His athleticism has seemed to decline and the coaching has as well.

i don’t think you can win with him if you don’t have both of those.

LJ Fort making plays.

 

Why are people surprised after last week?

We are bad 

 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The only move is to continue to coach and support him, while hoping for the best.  We are committed.  There is nothing to be gained from pulling the plug right now.

The right answer, however, is not to "play to Wentz's strengths," cast aside any aspirations of him becoming a good pocket QB, and just let him run around, constantly roll out, and play like a JV recess QB.  The minute you give up trying to refine him into a better QB is when you give up on him and should just look elsewhere.

Make him do it right.  He gets all of this year and all of 2022.  And if he hasn't won a playoff game at that point, then you move on.

There’s an out for them in that contract after either 2021 or 2022. I forget which. I think we’ll have the answer on if he’s the guy or not long before then. If he plays like this for all of 2020 then I think you gotta try to trade him next offseason if you can. If not, then he gets one more year under hopefully some new coaching.

16 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

That would be prob the worst situation for us. Another year we "make the playoffs" but out of pure luck/bad div. I think most would rather see us go down in flames then another season like that and no real changes. Well we know Jim will be gone no matter what with his contract expired. But thats only half the problem. Doug has to give up being the OC. he can be the HC but he cant be both. Either give it up or a move might have to be done in the HC position. 

Crazy thing is, if they do move on from Doug they have to do it early and get right in on the Eric Bieniemy train. Funny we could get coaches back to back from KC, lol. As for a DC, Id still love to see a guy like Rex Ryan here. I dont even know if he would want to be a DC but he would be a perfect "Philly" guy and has a great DC portfolio. 

I’d take Demeco Ryan’s as the new d-coordinator 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Drafting a LT renders yet another Howie high draft pick, Dillard, useless.  Dillard is a LT only.  He can't play anywhere else on the OL even at the backup level, which even limits his utility existing on the roster as a backup.

So if you spend a first round pick on a LT, then we are casting aside one more Howie pick onto the crowded heap.

Good point, forgot about Dillard. Maybe trade down, grab extra picks, and find Kelce's replacement. Would love a top LB but I know it's a dream that will never come true.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

i don’t think you can win with him if you don’t have both of those.

Exactly where Im thinking. BUT you can say that with pretty much every QB/Coach/Scheme in the league. 

Doug's offense is vanilla ice cream

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

LJ Fort making plays.

 

They didn't think he was good enough to play on this team. Think about that.

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m a Wentz guy, but the magic from 2017 is gone, the only question is can be be revived. He’s clearly not the same guy, I mean he’s just not. I think any sentiments to the contrary are people living in denial.

He has regressed in every single area. He doesn’t run anymore. His accuracy is declining. His decision making is devolving. His mechanics are falling apart.

Sure the potential is there, but right this second through 2 games he’s playing like a bottom 3rd QB. Every drive is a grind because of the accuracy issues. Very few of his passes are in stride or on target. He’s sailing passes all over, missing reads and throws. It’s bad man.

i don’t know what happened to him but since the ACL tear he just hasn’t been the same,

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I don't disagree, but I believe Doug is the culprit in all of this.  Good coaching is amazing.  McVay isn't the greatest, but today you saw the immense difference between the two.  He designed plays that his QB can execute well, and he was able to exploit Gerry multiple times for TDs.  Who did Doug exploit?  What mismatch did his plays and play calling create?  Not one.  Doug is the problem.  Doug is why Carson is regressing.  Say what you will, but Doug is killing Carson and Lurie needs to wake up before it's too late.  He must go.  He must go.

Just now, Han Solo said:

Doug's offense is vanilla ice cream

It doesn't matter what his offense is when the QB is playing like trash.

Amazing how the Cardinals blew past us as a team too. Crazy 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

They didn't think he was good enough to play on this team. Think about that.

something something wrong scheme something something

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh. Dallas won. Joy. 

Yeah. The Falcons were winning 29-10 and pissed it away. Lovely Sunday.

This season has real 2015 vibes. Band-Aid veteran acquisitions, no creativity, soft tackling and just a whole lack of energy.

Just now, MediterraneanDiet said:

I don't disagree, but I believe Doug is the culprit in all of this.  Good coaching is amazing.  McVay isn't the greatest, but today you saw the immense difference between the two.  He designed plays that his QB can execute well, and he was able to exploit Gerry multiple times for TDs.  Who did Doug exploit?  What mismatch did his plays and play calling create?  Not one.  Doug is the problem.  Doug is why Carson is regressing.  Say what you will, but Doug is killing Carson and Lurie needs to wake up before it's too late.  He must go.  He must go.

What plays call is Doug supposed to design where Wentz won't be erratic with his accuracy. Stop making excuses for the 32 million dollar man.

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Good point, forgot about Dillard. Maybe trade down, grab extra picks, and find Kelce's replacement. Would love a top LB but I know it's a dream that will never come true.

I think it depends on the talent distribution of the draft, which none of us obviously have really studied yet.

I'd give Dillard 2021 to prove himself because...why not?  This team isn't competing in 2021.  If Dillard flops, that's not going to be the only reason the team doesn't compete.  See that investment through.

Forget about FA with all the garbage contracts we have.  Use 2 picks in the 2-4 range on interior OL.  Kelce won't be here, so we either need a LG or a C, depending on what Seumalo does.  Brooks is unlikely to play anything close to 16 games.  So 2 interior OL in that range seem ideal.

We need another WR.  And we need a DE.  Those are your first round moves.  Trade Ertz for further ammunition.  Id probably go WR to give Wentz his best possible shot to right the ship.  

If Sanders had the pro-bowl year everyone was forecasting, I'd even consider moving him.  But he's off to a poor start and he's going to help us more being on the roster in 2021.