Adams is just so good.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

He's still fast and can make plays but he just can't stay healthy. Don't even want him back for vet min because you're just paying for a few plays a season and that's not worth a roster spot

Don't know if the flip was the actual reason he was injured or not but he should have known better than to do that. He's injury prone

My post about DJax wasn't about wanting him back or about his idiotic flip.  It was more about being depressed because we haven't had a wide receiver with those skills since DJax himself.  That play was amazing.  

I do not want him back at all.  It was just cool to see since I none of us have seen elite WR plays for the past 8-9 years.  

Hurts struggled today. Developing some bad habits that I don't trust Press Taylor to coach him out of.

Doug was terrible today. Schwartz was terrible today. Dave Fipp was terrible today.

That doesn't mean Wentz wasn't indefensibly terrible for 12 games.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yards are fairly predictive. Winston's historic turnover rate did him in.

I'm guessing Hurts' performance will look better on all-22...and the play-calling will look worse.

Are the frequent fumbles predictive?

22 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

For everyone that insists that benching Wentz was/is a mistake, a game like this is part of the reason why you would bench Wentz.   Although the offense has looked better with Hurts under center, today's game showed other glaring issues with the team...injuries above all but it also showed some bad mistakes made by Pederson and poor adjustments made by the coaching staff.   It also showed that Hurts has potential but he's still a rookie and he's going to make rookie mistakes. 

AND it shows that the struggles of the offense this season aren't all Wentz' fault.  That said, I believe Wentz needs some one on one, mechanic/footwork specific coaching in the off season.  

As for what will happen in the off-season?  That's anyone's guess at this point but both Lurie and Howie may have some tough decisions to make. 

Howie shouldn’t have any decisions to make this offseason. He’s the number one reason the Eagles find themselves where they are in the standings.

I don’t care about 2 ints or 2 fumbles for Hurts.  Inevitable for rookies and correctable.

I care that he was throwing short of the sticks on 4th and multiple 3rds, that any throw over 10 yards needed to be lofted in order to get there, that he looked to tuck and run in every critical situation, and that the offense was an immovable stationary object when he had to drop back and just pass his way out of the deficit. 
 

 

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Hurts playing poorly is a 342 yard game, then we're on the right track with him as our QB. 

Hurts had Matt Pryor, all the false starts penalties and the Pederson play-calling to deal with. Despite all that we were still moving the ball. 

My number #1 concern is the fumbling. 2 hands Jalen.

Stop following fantasy football, Hurts was abysmal today.  His lack of an arm completely showed.  You can in theory teach the rest of the game, but if he can't drive the ball downfield when he breaks the pocket (which his game is always going to be based on his legs), he's not a starter.  I know this city wants a savior, but a lot of you are completely blind to the obvious.

Desean’s immaturity will never fade.  His speed hasn’t faded much either.  
 

This offense really needs to find its Desean 2.0.  Reagor ain’t it.  

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t care about 2 ints or 2 fumbles for Hurts.  Inevitable for rookies and correctable.

I care that he was throwing short of the sticks on 4th and multiple 3rds, that any throw over 10 yards needed to be lofted in order to get there, that he looked to tuck and run in every critical situation, and that the offense was an immovable stationary object when he had to drop back and just pass his way out of the deficit. 
 

 

Hurts was objectively terrible today. No way around it. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

There have been issues all season but until you get to see what the offense looks like with a different QB running it, you won't get a clear picture of what is what.  Despite what you want to believe, the issues aren't nearly as bad as you made them out to be before Wentz was benched.  They beat N.O.  They looked good against Arizona (likely a win had the secondary been healthy) and they showed improvement today in the 1st half. 

 The 2nd half today was a disaster...and showed some of the issues you have been complaining about.  That's 1/2 of football in 3 games vs at least 8+ games with Wentz under center when the entire offense looked abysmal.  So obviously Wentz' poor play shares a good portion of the blame.  Just because the team looked bad today does not excuse Wentz for being disastrous for at least 8-9 games this year. 

They beat NO with Taysom freaking Hill at QB.  Give me a break.

They looked good against Arizona?   No, they looked 'ok'.  They were terrible in Quarter #1.  They had a great 2nd quarter, and that was really about it.    And they showed they could be easily shut down offensively in the second half again.  13 play drives for 54 yards at the end of the game isn't good.   They got the ball with 7 minutes left in that game.... and they ran over 5 minutes off the clock... while trailing by 7.  Gave the ball back to the Cardinals when they couldn't convert on 4th down, but couldn't settle for 3, because they ran the clock down on their own.  Shades of the Super Bowl with Andy Reid back in 2004... or the last drive that Pederson called plays for with KC when they were losing to Brady and he wanted to run the clock down... while trailing by more than a TD.  Because he didn't want to give the ball back to Brady.  

 

What you saw with Wentz under center was an OL that was outmanned in just about every game, playing guys that had no business being on an NFL field, in Peters, in Brown, in Opeta, in Toth, and in Pryor.  And at times there were 3 of them in the game at once.    

 

And no where in any of this has anyone excused Wentz for his share. But, the fact that today, you decided to acknowledge the other problems is amazing.  The problems we saw today were NO DIFFERENT than the problems we've seen all year from the offense.  (The defense was decimated by injury, so they were worse today.)  But you were too busy putting all the blame at Wentz' feet and even now... the fact that you even mention Wentz on a day like this says you are too deeply rooted in your own position to see that there has been a myriad of problems all year long.  

Lurie is keeping Howie and firing Doug. I'd bet the farm on it.

Good luck with that.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Hurts struggled today. Developing some bad habits that I don't trust Press Taylor to coach him out of.

Doug was terrible today. Schwartz was terrible today. Dave Fipp was terrible today.

That doesn't mean Wentz wasn't indefensibly terrible for 12 games.

Point is this: Doug and Press and whoever you want to add from.the offensive coaching staff have been indefensibly terrible for the past  47 games.  They are indefensibly player killers.  In gambling parlance, they are coolers.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They beat NO with Taysom freaking Hill at QB.  Give me a break.

They looked good against Arizona?   No, they looked 'ok'.  They were terrible in Quarter #1.  They had a great 2nd quarter, and that was really about it.    And they showed they could be easily shut down offensively in the second half again.  13 play drives for 54 yards at the end of the game isn't good.   They got the ball with 7 minutes left in that game.... and they ran over 5 minutes off the clock... while trailing by 7.  Gave the ball back to the Cardinals when they couldn't convert on 4th down, but couldn't settle for 3, because they ran the clock down on their own.  Shades of the Super Bowl with Andy Reid back in 2004... or the last drive that Pederson called plays for with KC when they were losing to Brady and he wanted to run the clock down... while trailing by more than a TD.  Because he didn't want to give the ball back to Brady.  

 

What you saw with Wentz under center was an OL that was outmanned in just about every game, playing guys that had no business being on an NFL field, in Peters, in Brown, in Opeta, in Toth, and in Pryor.  And at times there were 3 of them in the game at once.    

 

And no where in any of this has anyone excused Wentz for his share. But, the fact that today, you decided to acknowledge the other problems is amazing.  The problems we saw today were NO DIFFERENT than the problems we've seen all year from the offense.  (The defense was decimated by injury, so they were worse today.)  But you were too busy putting all the blame at Wentz' feet and even now... the fact that you even mention Wentz on a day like this says you are too deeply rooted in your own position to see that there has been a myriad of problems all year long.  

How does Wentz taste on your lips?

Serious question.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, the 2 fumbles and 2 INTs aren't a big deal for Hurts?

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There have been issues all season but until you get to see what the offense looks like with a different QB running it, you won't get a clear picture of what is what.  Despite what you want to believe, the issues aren't nearly as bad as you made them out to be before Wentz was benched.  They beat N.O.  They looked good against Arizona (likely a win had the secondary been healthy) and they showed improvement today in the 1st half. 

 The 2nd half today was a disaster...and showed some of the issues you have been complaining about.  That's 1/2 of football in 3 games vs at least 8+ games with Wentz under center when the entire offense looked abysmal.  So obviously Wentz' poor play shares a good portion of the blame.  Just because the team looked bad today does not excuse Wentz for being disastrous for at least 8-9 games this year. 

The lengths people go to prove their point is incredible.  Today reminded me exactly of the first Washington game this year.  Off to a flying start........slight adjustments by opponent........we have no adjustment.  Keep ball away from Miles Sanders.  

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t care about 2 ints or 2 fumbles for Hurts.  Inevitable for rookies and correctable.

I care that he was throwing short of the sticks on 4th and multiple 3rds, that any throw over 10 yards needed to be lofted in order to get there, that he looked to tuck and run in every critical situation, and that the offense was an immovable stationary object when he had to drop back and just pass his way out of the deficit. 
 

 

The fumbling is an issue.  But Doug is The Issue.

27 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yards are fairly predictive. Winston's historic turnover rate did him in.

I'm guessing Hurts' performance will look better on all-22...and the play-calling will look worse.

I’d bet both were bad. Which would be par the course for this season 

2 minutes ago, Sturm said:

How does Wentz taste on your lips?

Serious question.

Funny part is that I've been critical of Wentz. And Doug.  And the mental mistakes.  And the roster.  And the cap.  And the drafting.   But, some people, I suppose like you, can't see the forest for the one tree named Carson Wentz.   It's a shame.  If you were to back up and look at the entire situation, you might see that the entire landscape of trees (aka, problems with this team)... offense, defense, special teams, coaching, drafting, free agents.   Just an unlimited number, if you want to actually try to take an objective look at things.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Desean’s immaturity will never fade.  His speed hasn’t faded much either.  
 

This offense really needs to find its Desean 2.0.  Reagor ain’t it.  

As much as people in this blog like to hate on DJax, the guy is/was a generational talent.  He's still faster (at 34 years old) than just about anyone on the field and his route running has become elite-level as he's gotten older....so now he combines getting open with exceptional route running....5 yards of separation by the time he gets the ball...then no one can catch him afterwards with that much of a head start.  

Although he probably shouldn't of showboated, he was literally trotting and slowing down on purpose today before he scored....that sort of combination of elite route running + elite speed is generational.  His achilles heel has unfortunately been injuries over the last several years of his career...a true shame.  Who knows what he could have accomplished had he averaged 14-16 games a year throughout his career. 

Chris Collinsworth with one of his biggest gems.  "A lot of times Aaron Rodgers can hear what's going on with the other side's bench, and that's made a huge difference."  

Just now, Freshmilk said:

The fumbling is an issue.  But Doug is The Issue.

The way Doug calls this offense...no qb is going to develop into a real passer.  And Hurts came into this league as a worse passer than most.  Not a great combination.

The tight spots in this game showed how uncomfortable Hurts is leaning on his passing ability.  The best the offense looked all day was the drive in which he threw 2 passes to the flat.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Lurie is keeping Howie and firing Doug. I'd bet the farm on it.

Good luck with that.

I see that too.  I also think both Wentz and Hurts are here in 2021.

Most likely a new coach and Wentz gets another opportunity to start with a new coach and new system.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Funny part is that I've been critical of Wentz. And Doug.  And the mental mistakes.  And the roster.  And the cap.  And the drafting.   But, some people, I suppose like you, can't see the forest for the one tree named Carson Wentz.   It's a shame.  If you were to back up and look at the entire situation, you might see that the entire landscape of trees (aka, problems with this team)... offense, defense, special teams, coaching, drafting, free agents.   Just an unlimited number, if you want to actually try to take an objective look at things.

O I don't disagree that the whole team is bad. Starting from the Front office (howie) down to the damn towel boy. It all sucks. Including Wentz. At least Hurts gave us a slight chance of hope.

Still need to purge the whole front office coaching staff and a lot of the players.

Still need to answer that question though.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They beat NO with Taysom freaking Hill at QB.  Give me a break.

They looked good against Arizona?   No, they looked 'ok'.  They were terrible in Quarter #1.  They had a great 2nd quarter, and that was really about it.    And they showed they could be easily shut down offensively in the second half again.  13 play drives for 54 yards at the end of the game isn't good.   They got the ball with 7 minutes left in that game.... and they ran over 5 minutes off the clock... while trailing by 7.  Gave the ball back to the Cardinals when they couldn't convert on 4th down, but couldn't settle for 3, because they ran the clock down on their own.  Shades of the Super Bowl with Andy Reid back in 2004... or the last drive that Pederson called plays for with KC when they were losing to Brady and he wanted to run the clock down... while trailing by more than a TD.  Because he didn't want to give the ball back to Brady.  

 

What you saw with Wentz under center was an OL that was outmanned in just about every game, playing guys that had no business being on an NFL field, in Peters, in Brown, in Opeta, in Toth, and in Pryor.  And at times there were 3 of them in the game at once.    

 

And no where in any of this has anyone excused Wentz for his share. But, the fact that today, you decided to acknowledge the other problems is amazing.  The problems we saw today were NO DIFFERENT than the problems we've seen all year from the offense.  (The defense was decimated by injury, so they were worse today.)  But you were too busy putting all the blame at Wentz' feet and even now... the fact that you even mention Wentz on a day like this says you are too deeply rooted in your own position to see that there has been a myriad of problems all year long.  

There have been issues all year long.  I literally say that in just about all of my responses to you.  Those issues have been spearheaded by Wentz' abysmal play for at least 8-9 games.  (I give him the benefit of the doubt since he played reasonably well in about 3-4 games).

 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And no where in any of this has anyone excused Wentz for his share. But, the fact that today, you decided to acknowledge the other problems is amazing.  The problems we saw today were NO DIFFERENT than the problems we've seen all year from the offense.  (The defense was decimated by injury, so they were worse today.)  But you were too busy putting all the blame at Wentz' feet and even now... the fact that you even mention Wentz on a day like this says you are too deeply rooted in your own position to see that there has been a myriad of problems all year long.  

Every Wentz hater, who is a Hurts (Nut) Hugger by default, should have this in their signature until the 2021 season starts.  This sums them up perfectly.  They are so blinded by their hatred for Wentz, similar to RTK's irrational hatred of Foles, that they only now see the other issues with the O and still haven't recognized the fact that those of us who have put blame on those other things (like poor WRs, Doug's ishy play calling, the decimated OL, etc.) have always put blame on Wentz as well.  But, anyone who doesn't blame just Wentz as the sole problem and tries to draw attention to other issues is a 'Wentz Washer'.  These hateful morons have been the worst posters here all season.  Congratulations (to them) on attaining RTK status.  You earned it.