10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's maybe a dozen people among Eagles fans that think that the issues with this offense have more to do with Pederson/play-calling and the rest of the team vs. Carson Wentz and the vast amount of injuries. 

You're one of the dozen, congrats.

This struggles this year are likely due to: 30% injuries, 30% Wentz' poor play, 20% scheme/playcalling/coaching 20% rest of the team.   

Out of curiosity, what would your breakdown look like?

To quote HE:  Wrong.

This is the problem you with Wentz haters as some of us have stated that you just don't get.  Just because someone says that Wentz isn't the only problem with the O you assume that we think the rest of the problems are more the other things. 

So if you think that's the breakdown then why are you always overly critical of Wentz and make excuses for Hurts?

My breakdown:

O scheme and playcalling:  25%

Wentz's poor play:  25%

Injuries to the OL:  25%

Ishy WRs that are mostly JAGs and raw rookies:  20%

Other:  5%

Do you get it yet or do I need to put you on ignore because I'd be wasting my time with you?

 

One more run for this train wreck of a season on prime time. 

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

He’s shown zero arm talent. That’s why.

Define arm talent for me just so we are on the same page.

Just now, schuy7 said:

For some reason, we're the SNF game next week.

 

It’s a playoff determining game for the NFC East. Makes sense I guess.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I love to hate on djax because his maturity and durability are both a joke.  
 

If he had stayed healthy, he’d be a better or similar version to Ty Hill, although he’s never had the benefit of that qb play.  But even in his prime, Desean would break down if you gave him that volume of targets.  
 

But yes, his speed, separation ability, quickness, and deep ball tracking were all generational.  Having one guy like that in your offense transforms every play.  The fact that they have tried to fill that roll with Torrey Smith, Mike Wallace, and finally old Desean shows how little Howie/Doug actually see the value in it.  Then they did an about face and reached for Reagor in desperation.  

I agree with most of this although I think Reagor will be closer to a Tyreek Hill than DJax.  I've watched a lot of Chiefs games since they drafted Hill and Hill isn't nearly as fast as DJax.  I've seen Hill get caught from behind...something I've never seen happen with DJax.  Hill is more of an explosive/quick player with nice after the catch moves...and that's where I could see Reagor eventually developing into .  Explosive/good moves after the catch.  But neither are DJax....different types of players.  Both likely more durable but neither have that super elite speed. 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

For some reason, we're the SNF game next week.

 

Ok now they are just rubbing it in how terrible this team is 

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

It’s a playoff determining game for the NFC East. Makes sense I guess.

Yeah, I guess I just thought they might go with Rams/Cardinals or Bears/Packers.

Eagles/WFT got flexed to SNF

 

What the Fing hell

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

One more run for this train wreck of a season on prime time. 

Another embarrassment on national TV.   Cool.

 

Ok, so another terrible display on national TV, maybe that will be the final nail in the coffin of Howie's job security here.

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

To quote HE:  Wrong.

This is the problem you with Wentz haters as some of us have stated that you just don't get.  Just because someone says that Wentz isn't the only problem with the O you assume that we think the rest of the problems are more the other things. 

So if you think that's the breakdown then why are you always overly critical of Wentz and make excuses for Hurts?

My breakdown:

O scheme and playcalling:  25%

Wentz's poor play:  25%

Injuries:  25%

Ishy WRs that are mostly JAGs and raw rookies:  20%

Other:  5%

Do you get it yet or do I need to put you on ignore because I'd be wasting my time with you?

 

Our breakdown isn't that far off so you can relax. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I agree with most of this although I think Reagor will be closer to a Tyreek Hill than DJax.  I've watched a lot of Chiefs games since they drafted Hill and Hill isn't nearly as fast as DJax.  I've seen Hill get caught from behind...something I've never seen happen with DJax.  Hill is more of an explosive/quick player with nice after the catch moves...and that's where I could see Reagor eventually developing into .  Explosive/good moves after the catch.  But neither are DJax....different types of players.  Both likely more durable but neither have that super elite speed. 

Reagor needs to make sure he's not more of a Tavon Austin first.  

I would argue that Ty Hill has super elite speed, but I don't argue with you that Desean is even faster.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Another embarrassment on national TV.   Cool.

 

Ok, so another terrible display on national TV, maybe that will be the final nail in the coffin of Howie's job security here.

Let's hope so.

 

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

One more run for this train wreck of a season on prime time. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles/WFT got flexed to SNF

 

What the Fing hell

We should start Sudfeld as payback. 

NFC East teams are a draw for ratings.  If the Giants win on Sunday afternoon... you think they won't be tuning in to watch Washington?   Not many teams are playing to get in to a final playoff spot.   Well, not many big markets... Cleveland, Indy, Miami... none of which are draws.  

Washington, NY, Dallas and Philly are.  

 

If they put NY-Dallas on SNF, they might both already be eliminated by a Washington win.  So, the only way to keep the drama is to put the Washington game on the primetime.  Dallas and Giants play to stay alive, but neither clinches with a win.

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

OK.  So you are a moron.  I gave you a chance to have an intelligent conversation.  I see I overestimated you.  Goodbye.

When they use "Wentz washer" and other crude nicknames or even reference sexual acts with Wentz then they should just go on the ignore list

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

One more run for this train wreck of a season on prime time. 

It's not like we have anything to play for so this is surprising

The nfl could have selected Rams/cardinals....browns/Steelers....packers/bears.....dolphins/bills ....ya know ....games where both teams are actually relevant to the playoff picture... 

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't think there is a door #3 that is legitimate. Fields stinks, I have no interest in him. If the Eagles are gonna take a QB in the top 5, it should be someone with more pedigree than Wilson.

Might have no choice but to pick one of em. Don't have the cap room to sign or or to draft another one.

I posted about this a bunch back in 2012-2013.  This isn't an ITYS, because there's still no evidence to suggest this is the way to do it.  But at that time, we had drafted Foles round 3.  Russell Wilson went round 3.  We drafted Matt Barkley, an extremely accurate passer, in round 4 one year later.  

When you don't have your QB of the present or future, I think there is something to be said for investing a 3rd/4th/5th round pick in the position every year in a guy with either a tight release and great accuracy or big arm talent.

It's a hell of a lot cheaper than either being a completely gutted team that goes 1-15 for a top 2 pick or being a bad team like us and then trading EVERYTHING you do have plus the future to trade into the top 2.

And who is to say the odds of hitting a HR aren't actually better?  Use the 1's and 2's to stack the supporting cast and then get multiples of QBs to see who rises to the top.  Contrast that with drafting ONE consensus high end talent and surrounding him with garbage for his formative years.

 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's not like we have anything to play for so this is surprising

Washington does.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't know who will be better Hurts or Wentz 3 years from now.

But objectively, Hurts throws a more accurate ball and is more athletic. That's something.

Wentz will likely never be as bad as he was this season again, but I think it's just as unlikely he'll ever be what he was in 2017 again. He just doesn't look the same physically. Even just watching him run, he lumbers, has no giddy up.

So who to choose? If both players were paid equal money I'd be fine choosing Wentz. But if they can ditch that contract I'd totally support it to favor Hurts. And if Hurts busts, then so be it. We likely aren't contending in the next 3 seasons anyway.

I think of the head coach or GM don’t change Wentz will not be with the team more than next season.  Hurts is unproven. Even if he is the starter next season, we’re going to have the same question. The team is not going to be able to add the talent it will need to add to be a winning team. Even if he looks good next season, He’s not a long term solution if he is forced to run as part of the offense. The team isn’t good enough on offense to win with hIm now and I don’t see that changing in a year. Wentz may never return to form but he has had 2 seasons where he was a key reason this team went to the playoffs.  He’s shown that given the surrounding tale the can win. Again even if he’s given the chance to win the job in camp and does, this team won’t be talented enough for people to forgive Wentz’s poor play this season. I don’t see an answer only more uncertainty heading into next year. 
 

The question at QB will remain as long as what is surrounding the QB is below average. The team needs better talent including coaching. I don’t think we will see that until 2023. 

1 minute ago, Br3 said:

The nfl could have selected Rams/cardinals....browns/Steelers....packers/bears.....dolphins/bills ....ya know ....games where both teams are actually relevant to the playoff picture... 

The Eagles game is still very much relevant to the playoff picture 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Chris Collinsworth just endeared himself to the whole viewing audience.  By saying he’s not sure the general football fan understands what pro football is all about.  

I mean he's not far off......there are alot of football fans who are idiots.  The Cowboys fanbase is a perfect example.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Definition of an "incomplete" grade.  Same as Reagor, same as Fulgham, etc.  Wasted season and they only found Mailata as a player for the future.

Singleton looks like he can stay too, IMO. Driscoll could be some nice depth too.

Jake Elliot has to have the least amount of FG tries in the year. I don't think it's close and that itself is effing ridiculous with Doug always going for it like a deranged lunatic.

Is it any wonder our players are always pressing when coached like this?

4 minutes ago, Br3 said:

The nfl could have selected Rams/cardinals....browns/Steelers....packers/bears.....dolphins/bills ....ya know ....games where both teams are actually relevant to the playoff picture... 

NY/DAL and WAS will be watching... and they know the pathetic Eagles fans will watch, because we can't look away.   That's bigger numbers than any of those others.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Reagor needs to make sure he's not more of a Tavon Austin first.  

I would argue that Ty Hill has super elite speed, but I don't argue with you that Desean is even faster.

Yeah, we'll see how Reagor develops.  Next season will be the tell-tell.  Having this season under his belt, then a full camp and full pre-season should help substantially in his development.  You could tell he's still learning the NFL level game/playbook/route tree when he was on the field this year.  You could tell he's out there "thinking".  If he gets the playbook/route tree down by the start of next season and lets the game flow/ come naturally to him, we should really begin to see what he's capable of.  Some of his college highlights are certainly Tyreek Hill-esque.  Let's hope that eventually transitions to the NFL.