21 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I don't know how you could have watched Wentz the past 3 seasons and expect him to be 2017 Carson again. Or how you could have watched 2020 Carson and not think he was god awful.

I don't know how you could have watched Hurts today and not come away concerned about some of his bad habits.

The Eagles QB conversation/argument is so maddening because folks on each "side" are so averse to making any kind of concession.

They both suck.

I will concede to team Wentz that a huge part of why he now sucks is the coaching, receivers, and OL that have failed him.

I will concede to team Hurts that a huge part of why he will never be a good qb is the coaching, receivers, and OL that will fail him here.

But they both ultimately suck.

4 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Singleton looks like he can stay too, IMO. Driscoll could be some nice depth too.

Jake Elliot has to have the least amount of FG tries in the year. I don't think it's close and that itself is effing ridiculous with Doug always going for it like a deranged lunatic.

Is it any wonder our players are always pressing when coached like this?

Singleton isn't a major piece moving forward though.  He's a 27 year old JAG LB.  Driscoll is nice for depth, but also showed he struggled to stay healthy.  Got dinged a lot.

26 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

How can Lurie justify keeping Roseman? We’re in worse shape now than after firing Chip. 

Not really.  Because we have the Lombardi now. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Singleton isn't a major piece moving forward though.  He's a 27 year old JAG LB.  

He may be 27 years old but he's better than a JAG.  His PFF grade is among top 10 in pass rush among all NFL linebackers and he's among the top 30 against the run.  That's out of 90+ starting LB's in the NFL.  Singleton was a nice find and a keeper. 

I'm not quitting on Reagor, but it is incredible that's two years in a row now that they have taken a receiver that looks the worst out of the bunch that was taken in the same round. 

56 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Lurie is keeping Howie and firing Doug. I'd bet the farm on it.

Good luck with that.

Sure seems like it. All reports or even opinions is Howie is staying. Notice there has been no reports about Doug other than he wouldn’t mind leaving. That’s telling. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

He may be 27 years old but he's better than a JAG.  His PFF grade is among top 10 in pass rush among all NFL linebackers and he's among the top 30 against the run.  That's out of 90+ starting LB's in the NFL.  Singleton was a nice find and a keeper. 

PFF grade?   Please tell me more about that wonderful little nugget of meaninglessness.   

Singleton is fine.  He's not a foundational piece.

19 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

We should start Sudfeld as payback. 

There's not many starters left to sit but sit them too and hope they don't play better. I really hope they don't try to win this game.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

PFF grade?   Please tell me more about that wonderful little nugget of meaninglessness.   

 

Vs what?  Your "eye test"?   

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'm not quitting on Reagor, but it is incredible that's two years in a row now that they have taken a receiver that looks the worst out of the bunch that was taken in the same round. 

It's too easy to evaluate the prospects and take the best one. They have to be so specific about what kind of player they need. It eliminates too many prospects and narrows your chance of hitting on a pick.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Vs what?  Your "eye test"?   

Yes.  Watching the games you can see quite a lot.   But, hey, someone came up with a convoluted grading system that only they understand.  And they rank players.  Big Whoop.  If I assigned grades instead, that would be just as scientific as what they do.  

 

But, I guess its time for this: 

For all PFFers out there...

 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He may be 27 years old but he's better than a JAG.  His PFF grade is among top 10 in pass rush among all NFL linebackers and he's among the top 30 against the run.  That's out of 90+ starting LB's in the NFL.  Singleton was a nice find and a keeper. 

I agree but some on here dont like him because he's not an all pro or pro bowler.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Singleton isn't a major piece moving forward though.  He's a 27 year old JAG LB.  Driscoll is nice for depth, but also showed he struggled to stay healthy.  Got dinged a lot.

The only major piece we have moving forward is a LT, who may still fit at RT, who still hasn't really learned to play football, whose coach won't commit to him starting next year.

Surely, there is actually more talent caught up in the wash of this dumpster fire.  But none of it can be counted on as a definitive building block.  

In the 1998 dumpster fire, Jermaine Mayberry, Brian Dawkins, and Bobby Taylor didn't exactly look like building blocks.  Troy Vincent and Tra Thomas did.

In the 2015 dumpster fire: Lane Johnson and Fletcher Cox were known building blocks.  Jason Kelce fell on some hard times.  Ertz had not really emerged in a big way.  They didn't have a whole lot then and they won the SB 2 years later.

Right now, it truly feels like Mailata is the only exciting young player on the entire team.  But there are probably others who are waiting for new coaching an opportunity.  No, don't mention Fulgham's name.

44 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Those issues have existed independent of Wentz' play, and dare I say, may have in fact contributed to it - both feeding each other.   Or, do you expect that Wentz should have perfect chemistry with the likes of Hakeem Butler, Jeremy Croom, Adrian Killins, Travis Fulgham and whatever other waiver wire pickup they can put on the roster, while dealing with a horrid OL.   Yes, he played bad.  And ever other facet of the offense was bad too.  Coaching, play calling, etc.  Today, you finally looked and saw the other areas, and instead of blaming it on the QB, today you decided to blame the QB's performance on all the other stuff.   Nah... all the other stuff has been there all along causing all the issues you saw today, you just put the top issue on the QB.   Me... I blame the Coach above all else, because he was supposed to be a QB guy... having been a former QB, he should know how to help a QB.   Turns out, he doesn't really.

What's your breakdown in regards to the offensive issues this year?  What % do you attribute to the following:

% due to injuries.

% due to Wentz' play

% due to scheme/coaching

% due to rest of the team (and Howie for drafting/acquiring them)

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The only major piece we have moving forward is a LT, who may still fit at RT, who still hasn't really learned to play football, whose coach won't commit to him starting next year.

Surely, there is actually more talent caught up in the wash of this dumpster fire.  But none of it can be counted on as a definitive building block.  

In the 1998 dumpster fire, Jermaine Mayberry, Brian Dawkins, and Bobby Taylor didn't exactly look like building blocks.  Troy Vincent and Tra Thomas did.

In the 2015 dumpster fire: Lane Johnson and Fletcher Cox were known building blocks.  Jason Kelce fell on some hard times.  Ertz had not really emerged in a big way.  They didn't have a whole lot then and they won the SB 2 years later.

Right now, it truly feels like Mailata is the only exciting young player on the entire team.  But there are probably others who are waiting for new coaching an opportunity.  No, don't mention Fulgham's name.

It's very possible.  But to see what this clay could be... we'll need a new potter.   This one's fingers are all cramped up.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What's your breakdown in regards to the offensive issues this year?  What % do you attribute to the following:

% due to injuries.

% due to Wentz' play

% due to scheme/coaching

% due to rest of the team (and Howie for drafting/acquiring them)

Put whatever numbers you want on it.  They are ALL problems. 

 

You act like they are all independent factors.  That's incorrect.  They all play into one another.

 

Injuries - bad roster construction (which you don't have on your list).
They chose to go into the season with Desean and Alshon as major pieces in the WR corps.  One was likely to be injured, the other was guaranteed to miss part of the season.   But, them both being unavailable meant the team had ZERO NFL experienced NFL WRs available (oh yeah... Greg Ward 🤦‍♂️) and Wentz had to get used to new WRs... again.  Travis Fulgham wasn't even on this team during the TC period or Opening Week.  

Scheme - they didn't want the WRs that didn't know how to play WR in the NFL be 'athletes' and just get the ball in space.  They tried to force them to be NFL level WRs out of the gate with hard out routes and coming back to the ball... Wentz trusts them and throws where they should be.  Both Hightower and Reagor aren't there, and both throws are picked off and people get annoyed at Wentz... he turns gun shy and won't throw timing routes to them anymore.  

 

Chicken and the egg to an extent, but some of it was that they didn't plan for the older players to break down.

34 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

For some reason, we're the SNF game next week.

 

I guess we are the only game with significant playoff implications? No other idea why. 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'm not quitting on Reagor, but it is incredible that's two years in a row now that they have taken a receiver that looks the worst out of the bunch that was taken in the same round. 

I'm far from quitting. Definitely not there.  But Reagor has basically had one of the worst rookie seasons of any WR drafted in the 1st 4 rounds this year.

His route running is abysmal.  His separation has been very poor.  His deep speed seems a lot more sluggish than advertised.  

Honestly, he looks like a RB/WR gadget hybrid who does better with misdirection plays at the LOS than he does running routes as a wideout.  That's the best way I can describe everything I have seen from him this year.

9 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'm not quitting on Reagor, but it is incredible that's two years in a row now that they have taken a receiver that looks the worst out of the bunch that was taken in the same round. 

Jeudy looks pretty bad. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I'm far from quitting. Definitely not there.  But Reagor has basically had one of the worst rookie seasons of any WR drafted in the 1st 4 rounds this year.

His route running is abysmal.  His separation has been very poor.  His deep speed seems a lot more sluggish than advertised.  

Honestly, he looks like a RB/WR gadget hybrid who does better with misdirection plays at the LOS than he does running routes as a wideout.  That's the best way I can describe everything I have seen from him this year.

He’s basically Ty Montgomery.

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

NFC East teams are a draw for ratings.  If the Giants win on Sunday afternoon... you think they won't be tuning in to watch Washington?   Not many teams are playing to get in to a final playoff spot.   Well, not many big markets... Cleveland, Indy, Miami... none of which are draws.  

Washington, NY, Dallas and Philly are.  

 

If they put NY-Dallas on SNF, they might both already be eliminated by a Washington win.  So, the only way to keep the drama is to put the Washington game on the primetime.  Dallas and Giants play to stay alive, but neither clinches with a win.

Good point. Whoever wins Dallas/Giants wins the division with a Washington loss, so they will be surely tuning into to see how many 1st half points the Eagles can score and if its enough to win a game

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The only major piece we have moving forward is a LT, who may still fit at RT, who still hasn't really learned to play football, whose coach won't commit to him starting next year.

Surely, there is actually more talent caught up in the wash of this dumpster fire.  But none of it can be counted on as a definitive building block.  

In the 1998 dumpster fire, Jermaine Mayberry, Brian Dawkins, and Bobby Taylor didn't exactly look like building blocks.  Troy Vincent and Tra Thomas did.

In the 2015 dumpster fire: Lane Johnson and Fletcher Cox were known building blocks.  Jason Kelce fell on some hard times.  Ertz had not really emerged in a big way.  They didn't have a whole lot then and they won the SB 2 years later.

Right now, it truly feels like Mailata is the only exciting young player on the entire team.  But there are probably others who are waiting for new coaching an opportunity.  No, don't mention Fulgham's name.

Sanders and Goedert?

I've said I would like for them to hire a HC that will run the ball and add another dynamic RB to pair with Sanders.  Imagine Sanders with a Travis Etienne or Najee Harris and giving these guys 25-30 touches a game.  It would help out big time no matter if Wentz or Hurts is the QB.  If DP is still the coach then it wont matter.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Jeudy looks pretty bad. 

Jeudy has been fine this year. Lock is a terrible QB and he's played a couple games with awful backups as well. Including that one game where the receiver had to come in and play emergency QB. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess we are the only game with significant playoff implications? No other idea why. 

IgglesPhan made a good point. Eagles fans will be watching, WFT fans, Giants fans, Cowboys fans. Plenty of viewers.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Jeudy looks pretty bad. 

Jeudy has looked pretty good.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Right now, it truly feels like Mailata is the only exciting young player on the entire team.  But there are probably others who are waiting for new coaching an opportunity.  No, don't mention Fulgham's name.

I'd probably add Sweat to that list, but yeah, it's pretty barren. 

Hated Reagor's tape at TCU. He didn't look like an exceptional WR in the Big-12. His best plays were as a punt returner. He was a Tavon Austin type player. Jeudy, Ruggs, Lamb, Jefferson, Higgins, Aiyuk, Shenault, and even Mims were all better picks at 21 to me. I didn't study Claypool at ND or Pittman at USC.