13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Skip to the play at 40 seconds of the video and tell me he's not fast. 

 

I remember being ticked at the time that Hurts was late with that throw.  I’m not sure if the miss on the post route today was Reagor looking for the ball too late, or the throw being a bit off target 

17 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Skip to the play at 40 seconds of the video and tell me he's not fast. 

 

He's fast.  He blew by Peterson on that play.  Had Hurts put just a little more juice on that ball, it would have been a TD and by about 4-5 yards of separation from Peterson. 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Tankathon website has the Eagles selecting Gregory Rousseau with the #6 overall pick in their current mock.  I would be just livid if he were the pick at #6 

Him, Devonta Smith and Justin Fields are on my do not draft list so far. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Eagles better send a copy of that to the League office and Smith should be fined and suspended and the suspension should carry over to next season as that's more than 1 game for that type of dirty hit.  I hope he rips up his ACL again for that.  POS. 

47 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It really is uncanny.  He takes long, smooth strides.  Watch the defender's legs and watch his legs.  DJax looks like he's jogging as the one outside defender needs to literally take 2 fast steps for every one of DJax's long strides.  Unreal. 

Look at the route too, it’s just so smooth. He goes inside, fakes outside, goes back inside for the post, adjusts his body for the catch and just heads to the endzone.

After watching our wrs make catching and running with a football look like open heart surgery all season, watching Desean do it so Effortlessly was a breath of fresh air.... needless to say it was only 20 seconds and he was done for the day. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Him, Devonta Smith and Justin Fields are on my do not draft list so far. 

Devonta Smith would be horrible. Oh and if it’s Rosseau I riot. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Him, Devonta Smith and Justin Fields are on my do not draft list so far. 

I don’t think there’s any chance the Eagles roll with both Wentz and Hurts next season, but I’d rather see that and have the starting QB be a GTD every week than spend a top 10 pick on another QB.

A game like today showed just how many positions are in need of an impact player — WR, CB, S, LB — and that’s gambling that Lane and Brooks can be healthy next season.

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think there’s any chance the Eagles roll with both Wentz and Hurts next season, but I’d rather see that and have the starting QB be a GTD every week than spend a top 10 pick on another QB.

A game like today showed just how many positions are in need of an impact player — WR, CB, S, LB — and that’s gambling that Lane and Brooks can be healthy next season.

At this point, I think they trade out of the top 6 and get a 2021 1st (trading back between 15-20th)  , a 2021 2nd and a 2022 1st.  

I supported the Reagor pick at the time. I've been arguing with folks who rushed to call the pick a bust before Reagor even played more than 4 games. But it's not looking good right now. Guy has all the physical talent to be a star (you can get outta here if you think he's slow), but something just hasn't clicked mentally for him. He, like Wentz, needs a bulldog for a position coach and a head coach willing to sit him down.

Not all athletes learn to play pro football. It's why you can't go overboard with athletes and projects in the draft.

Its hard to evaluate individual talent on the team.  Every single position (less Center) has significant limitations.

49 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I supported the Reagor pick at the time. I've been arguing with folks who rushed to call the pick a bust before Reagor even played more than 4 games. But it's not looking good right now. Guy has all the physical talent to be a star (you can get outta here if you think he's slow), but something just hasn't clicked mentally for him. He, like Wentz, needs a bulldog for a position coach and a head coach willing to sit him down.

Yeah same here. I’m trying to be patient with Reagor, but he’s produced more disappointing plays than exciting plays for me. I’m not giving up on him, and will give one more season until I think about the bust label. But, my level of excitement for his future as an Eagle isn’t that much better than where JJAW was after his rookie season. 
New and/or improved coaching will hopefully help. He could be one of those guys that everything just clicks in their 2nd season & they go off. But the possible changes in coaching staff, no clear starter at QB, and injury issues will most likely hinder his development.
 

I’m still an optimist & got faith in the guy. 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yeah same here. I’m trying to be patient with Reagor, but he’s produced more disappointing plays than exciting plays for me. I’m not giving up on him, and will give one more season until I think about the bust label. But, my level of excitement for his future as an Eagle isn’t that much better than where JJAW was after his rookie season. 
New and/or improved coaching will hopefully help. He could be one of those guys that everything just clicks in their 2nd season & they go off. But the possible changes in coaching staff, no clear starter at QB, and injury issues will most likely hinder his development.
 

I’m still an optimist & got faith in the guy. 

The JJAW comparison is a little dramatic.  He showed more on the one return TD than JJ has shown in 2 years.  If this team can somehow solidify the OLine and get competent QB play, he will be fine.  He just wasn't automatic like we all wanted.

22 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The JJAW comparison is a little dramatic.  He showed more on the one return TD than JJ has shown in 2 years.  If this team can somehow solidify the OLine and get competent QB play, he will be fine.  He just wasn't automatic like we all wanted.

I don’t think it’s dramatic at all. I didn’t say my outlook for both is on same level, but there’s not that big of a gap between them going into year 2. I have more confidence for Reagor than JJAW, but my confidence level for Reagor isn’t that high. If you look at stats, Reagor has 20 more receptions, 212 more yards, and 1 more PR TD than JJAW rookie season, with 6 less games. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt considering he’s played in fewer games, which isn’t exactly a positive right now, and shows more potential to be something. But there isn’t much to be encouraged by. Not trying to drag Reagor, as I said I still have faith in the guy, I’m Just trying to be honest and not be a homer.

 

EDIT: I’m comparing them at the end of their rookie seasons, not talking about present JJAW vs present Reagor. Don’t want that to get misunderstood

17 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The JJAW comparison is a little dramatic.  He showed more on the one return TD than JJ has shown in 2 years.  If this team can somehow solidify the OLine and get competent QB play, he will be fine.  He just wasn't automatic like we all wanted.

strictly on his wide receiver skills I have want to see a progression from week one into a week 17 where he has shown improvement and gotten m better each. Build upon the success and learn from the struggles he’s had. I can’t say that with him. I feel like he’s the same player week one as he is now heading into week 17. I don’t think this is all his fault. I don’t think the Eagles particularly use him in a way that maximizes his strengths. However I don’t think he helps himself when he doesn’t run very good routes And I think the coaching staff is frustrated with the fact they expected him to make progressions as the year went on. I hate saying it because I still believe he could be a good player but he appears to just be content being the same player he was early in the season as he is now late in the season. Again I think he’s gotten marginally better from week One til now. I feel he’s very much the same receiver as in what you were going to get in week one as what you’re getting in week 17. That to me is a problem. Because you should see him building upon each game and take him what he didn’t do well in the other game and trying to get better at it. And instead I don’t see that

23 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The JJAW comparison is a little dramatic.  He showed more on the one return TD than JJ has shown in 2 years.  If this team can somehow solidify the OLine and get competent QB play, he will be fine.  He just wasn't automatic like we all wanted.

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

strictly on his wide receiver skills I have want to see a progression from week one into a week 17 where he has shown improvement and gotten m better each. Build upon the success and learn from the struggles he’s had. I can’t say that with him. I feel like he’s the same player week one as he is now heading into week 17. I don’t think this is all his fault. I don’t think the Eagles particularly use him in a way that maximizes his strengths. However I don’t think he helps himself when he doesn’t run very good routes And I think the coaching staff is frustrated with the fact they expected him to make progressions as the year went on. I hate saying it because I still believe he could be a good player but he appears to just be content being the same player he was early in the season as he is now late in the season. Again I think he’s gotten marginally better from week One til now. I feel he’s very much the same receiver as in what you were going to get in week one as what you’re getting in week 17. That to me is a problem. Because you should see him building upon each game and take him what he didn’t do well in the other game and trying to get better at it. And instead I don’t see that

I’m just now realizing you guys are two different people. 

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

This is pre-draft what scouts told one Athletic writer 

"But, if the ball’s not coming to him, he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t block. He hardly gets off the line of scrimmage sometimes. He is a talented, talented kid, but his body language and attitude, from film only, is bad. Kind of a reluctant football player. When the ball’s coming to him he’s full-speed.” 

Kist is seeing the same thing. And the tape has also shown him half running, running bad routes, or not giving effort on plays he’s not expecting the ball. There’s been plays all year it looks like he’s dogging it until he realizes the ball is coming his way and he’s a step or two behind. Some people wrote it off to bad QB play at TCU. It’s carried over to a pro level, while even though the QB play hasn’t been good, it’s bad habits. 

Daniel Jerimiah talked about this exclusively on 97.5, WIP and then again on the NFL network leading up to the draft.  This shouldn’t be any new news to people. It was discussed by Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jerimiah also on their podcast when they were discussing wide receivers. People chalked it up to the fact that TCU was so bad that he just didn’t care because he knew his quarterback wasn’t very good and he wasn’t getting the ball. There’s times this season where you watch on all 22 and even tv copy he’s definitely half assing it instead of running a crisp route or he’s running a lazy lackluster sloppy route. We’ve had people post tweets showing that. So this is not a new revelation. This was a problem that was discussed at length on the old board and discussed at length with draft analyst. It was one of the concerns you have drafting him as high as they did besides not being as polished to step in day one and hit the ground running

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

strictly on his wide receiver skills I have want to see a progression from week one into a week 17 where he has shown improvement and gotten m better each. Build upon the success and learn from the struggles he’s had. I can’t say that with him. I feel like he’s the same player week one as he is now heading into week 17. I don’t think this is all his fault. I don’t think the Eagles particularly use him in a way that maximizes his strengths. However I don’t think he helps himself when he doesn’t run very good routes And I think the coaching staff is frustrated with the fact they expected him to make progressions as the year went on. I hate saying it because I still believe he could be a good player but he appears to just be content being the same player he was early in the season as he is now late in the season. Again I think he’s gotten marginally better from week One til now. I feel he’s very much the same receiver as in what you were going to get in week one as what you’re getting in week 17. That to me is a problem. Because you should see him building upon each game and take him what he didn’t do well in the other game and trying to get better at it. And instead I don’t see that

I agree, but you essentially see the whole same disappointing team and coaching that you saw in Week 1 as you did yesterday.  No progression.  How much of Reagor's development are Reagor and how much is the systemic failure around him?

Something I was pondering, let me explain the logic to it before you disagree.

The Eagles should shop Miles Sanders... if, I repeat if they can get a premium return for him.

The logic: RBs are replaceable, you can always find new ones. If you can use him one way or the other to fill a starting CB, OL, DE, WR, Safety them I think you should do it. This team is so many Fing needs, by the time the Eagles build a contender again, Sanders will likely be approaching a new contract, and very few RBs ever live up to that second contract. His trade value right now may never ever be higher. If you can get a high draft pick or young stud at a premium position for him I’d do it. Of not, totally fine with keeping him. I like him, just trying to think about building creatively.

If you can’t get something like that for him then I’m not giving him away.

That would pretty much always be my strategy. Draft RBs, make them look good, and then trade them away for more premium positions. I’d do it every few years if I could.

5 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree, but you essentially see the whole same disappointing team and coaching that you saw in Week 1 as you did yesterday.  No progression.  How much of Reagor's development are Reagor and how much is the systemic failure around him?

The problem with the Eagles is this they’re on their seventh wide receiver coach in seven years. At some point in time you can’t just always be the wide receiver coach that’s the problem that’s not getting the players up to their talent level. The only one who’s had success with the wide receivers out of those seven coaches has been Mike groh. I get an Nelson Agholor is having success in Las Vegas but he wasn’t gonna have success here anyways cause he was mentally fried in Philadelphia. Mack hollins is still the same Mack hollins except he gets one or two catches a game when guys are injured like Williams and Parker. 

I view it this way with reagor, some of it goes on doug and the coaching staff for not utilizing him properly. There’s ways to get him involved and utilize his speed and use his athleticism to get you easy yards and easy plays to get him some confidence. We don’t do them nearly enough. The fact that it took us to a week 13 to do an end around with him is absolutely ridiculous. Now some of this also falls on Jalen Reagor. He was known for not being a great route runner in college and being lackadaisical and lazy on some of his route. I don’t see him improving on that whatsoever. That Cardinals game where the coach was yelling at him from the sidelines is a huge red flag for me. He’s still doing some of the same mistakes week to week.  He should be learning from those mistakes and applying in a practice so he can apply it into the game and yet we are seeing the same mistakes. At some point in time it’s not all the coaching it has to fall on him to want to do it

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Something I was pondering, let me explain the logic to it before you disagree.

The Eagles should shop Miles Sanders... if, I repeat if they can get a premium return for him.

The logic: RBs are replaceable, you can always find new ones. If you can use him one way or the other to fill a starting CB, OL, DE, WR, Safety them I think you should do it. This team is so many Fing needs, by the time the Eagles build a contender again, Sanders will likely be approaching a new contract, and very few RBs ever live up to that second contract. His trade value right now may never ever be higher. If you can get a high draft pick or young stud at a premium position for him I’d do it. Of not, totally fine with keeping him. I like him, just trying to think about building creatively.

If you can’t get something like that for him then I’m not giving him away.

That would pretty much always be my strategy. Draft RBs, make them look good, and then trade them away for more premium positions. I’d do it every few years if I could.

I don’t disagree with that strategy. I actually made that same type of argument and hypothesis a couple years back that that’s how you should do it.  Rather not pay big money in a second contract for a running back. 

however sanders hasn’t exactly been great these past 3 games. His 82 yard td run against the Saints really skews his effectiveness. He has 236 yards on 46 carries over the last 3 games which is 5.1 yards per carry. However without that big 82 yard run it’s 154 yards on 45 carries which is 3.4 yards per carry. Some of that is the run blocking, some opponent and some of it is on sanders. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The problem with the Eagles is this they’re on their seventh wide receiver coach in seven years. At some point in time you can’t just always be the wide receiver coach that’s the problem that’s not getting the players up to their talent level. The only one who’s had success with the wide receivers out of those seven coaches has been Mike groh. I get an Nelson Agholor is having success in Las Vegas but he wasn’t gonna have success here anyways cause he was mentally fried in Philadelphia. Mack hollins is still the same Mack hollins except he gets one or two catches a game when guys are injured like Williams and Parker. 

I view it this way with reagor, some of it goes on doug and the coaching staff for not utilizing him properly. There’s ways to get him involved and utilize his speed and use his athleticism to get you easy yards and easy plays to get him some confidence. We don’t do them nearly enough. The fact that it took us to a week 13 to do an end around with him is absolutely ridiculous. Now some of this also falls on Jalen Reagor. He was known for not being a great route runner in college and being lackadaisical and lazy on some of his route. I don’t see him improving on that whatsoever. That Cardinals game where the coach was yelling at him from the sidelines is a huge red flag for me. He’s still doing some of the same mistakes week to week.  He should be learning from those mistakes and applying in a practice so he can apply it into the game and yet we are seeing the same mistakes. At some point in time it’s not all the coaching it has to fall on him to want to do it

Your points are all valid.  I think he needs to improve.  I just happen to see a guy who needs coaching, mentoring, and a system to be successful and fix some of the identified issues.  The coaching is suspect.  His mentors are selfish bums, like Alshon and Jaccpot.  The overall play and talent on offense is suspect.  The QB play is mediocre.  Much of it is on him, but that is a lot of dysfunction for a guy who needs a strong system around him.  

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Something I was pondering, let me explain the logic to it before you disagree.

The Eagles should shop Miles Sanders... if, I repeat if they can get a premium return for him.

The logic: RBs are replaceable, you can always find new ones. If you can use him one way or the other to fill a starting CB, OL, DE, WR, Safety them I think you should do it. This team is so many Fing needs, by the time the Eagles build a contender again, Sanders will likely be approaching a new contract, and very few RBs ever live up to that second contract. His trade value right now may never ever be higher. If you can get a high draft pick or young stud at a premium position for him I’d do it. Of not, totally fine with keeping him. I like him, just trying to think about building creatively.

If you can’t get something like that for him then I’m not giving him away.

That would pretty much always be my strategy. Draft RBs, make them look good, and then trade them away for more premium positions. I’d do it every few years if I could.

I’ve wondered the same, but you’d think those trades could start to become really difficult to sell once teams have a track record of who's getting better end of deal. Probably not that big of a deal, just a thought I had to add on. 
 

I’m mixed on trading Sanders. His trade value would be high. One one hand I’m unsure about giving him a 2nd contract, those contracts for RB haven’t proved to be successful. Sanders is suited to have sustained success in the league however. He’s one of the very few bright spots on the offense, and whoever is starting at QB next year will probably need to rely on him. I just don’t know if trading away one of your talented players would be that beneficial. 

Can’t rebuild the entire team in one year.

Keep Sanders, invest nearly all resources this year in to building an offense that can score.

If the D struggles, so be it.

If you can score points, you have a chance every year.

10 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Oh my days

 

Whoever Dpug is