12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not defending doug or the eagles lack of committing to the run but outside of the 82 yard td run against the Saints, sanders hasn’t been overly effective the last 3 weeks outside of that run. He’s had 45 other carries over the 3 weeks and just 154 yards so 3.4 yard per carry. Now this is an all on him. Some good run defenses in Saints and solid cardinals. Some not so great run blocking. Some on Sanders. Someone dug for not allowing him to stay in a rhythm and getting away from him for long stretches.

Clearly make the argument that if you give him enough touches eventually he’s going to break one because that seems to be what we’ve seen. So that is a justification for giving him more and more touches 

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you help a struggling QB?
How do you help a rookie QB?
How do you help an undermanned defense?
How do you help an OL that isn't gelled?
How do you maximize an offense with a carousel at WR? 
How do you maximize an offense who's most dangerous weapon is their speedy 2nd year RB?

 

 

🤔   There couldn't possibly be a single solution to ALL these problems, could there?

 

 

Oh yeah... RUN THE BALL... with Sanders.  And maybe consider getting a backup RB that actually belongs in the NFL (Sorry, Howie... you dropped the ball and were seduced by Boston Scott.)

Also, the more touches you give him the greater his chance at breaking off another homerun TD run.  Sanders isn't the pound it between the tackles and will get you 4-5yds consistently on most carries.  He's the RB that will get you 7-8yds then get stuffed, then have a couple runs for 12-15 yards then get stuffed again, etc.  Maybe have only 30yds on 9 carries but then breaks off a 40-50yd + run.  So he needs to get touches to get those chunk yards.  This team and Sanders would greatly benefit having a bruiser like how GB has Dillon.  Watched the 1st half of that game last night and Dillon wore down the Titans' D with punishing runs then Jones picked up 90+yds on just 10 carries.  Now GB stayed with the hot hand that game so Dillon got the lion's share of carries, but it would be great to have that option on this team.

 

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I believe Pryor had a holding penalty as well.  To complete the stat line, do we know how many sacks he gave up?

Yeah he was called for 25 penalty yards alone yesterday. It was bad. I know he gave up 3 sacks last week. I’d have to watch the all 22 to accumulate the amount of sacks the last two weeks combined. 

I pointed this out a couple weeks back when people were saying the offensive line played better with Jalen hurts that’s because he didn’t have Matt pryor out there until the cardinals game. Driscoll even playing hurt is a massive upgrade to pryor as well as it helps herbig as he looks more competent with a. Competent RT. Matt pryor is garbage. In the Seahawks game the Eagles had a wide open touchdown if Matt pryor could just block off the snap. If it wasn’t for jamon brown he has been the worst offensive lineman the Eagles have had all year. That includes Jason peters who hasn’t been very good.

4 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I put those more on those players than Hurts. Pryor and Herbig might not even be on this roster next year.  Seumalo is overrated.  Mialata gets a pass because of his newness to football.

Obviously. 

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

DeSean Jackson now has 25 career TD's of 60+ yards.  The most by any player in NFL history.

 

Ironically, hasn't he also missed 25 games the last two years ??

1 minute ago, greend said:

Obviously. 

Some feel that Hurts' cadences are causing the false starts though and I think that is bunk.  

Eagles need to lose Sunday. On top of draft position, if the Eagles win and Giants lose, Eagles finish third and alter next years schedule. Staying in 4th place means we play Detroit and San Fran. Moving to 3rd means we play Vikings and Rams or Cardinals.

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

 

Also, the more touches you give him the greater his chance at breaking off another homerun TD run.  Sanders isn't the pound it between the tackles and will get you 4-5yds consistently on most carries.  He's the RB that will get you 7-8yds then get stuffed, then have a couple runs for 12-15 yards then get stuffed again, etc.  Maybe have only 30yds on 9 carries but then breaks off a 40-50yd + run.  So he needs to get touches to get those chunk yards.  This team and Sanders would greatly benefit having a bruiser like how GB has Dillon.  Watched the 1st half of that game last night and Dillon wore down the Titans' D with punishing runs then Jones picked up 90+yds on just 10 carries.  Now GB stayed with the hot hand that game so Dillon got the lion's share of carries, but it would be great to have that option on this team.

 

Hmmm... I wonder what it would be like to have JK Dobbins in the backfield with Sanders.... 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Ever hear of Barry Sanders?  

 

Give Miles the ball.   And as you run the ball more, the OL starts to roll, and they can beat down a front 7 and it gets easier as the game goes on.

Again I’m not against what you’re saying. Frankly I agree with what you are saying. I’m just pointing out to you he hasn’t been overly effective in the 45 other carries his had in the past 3 games. As much as I love Barry sanders, I’m guessing Barry Sanders was more effective than 3.4 yards per carry in 45 other carries after a big run. I know Sanders had games where he wasn’t very great yards per carry but they probably weren’t  back to back to back games where he just wasn’t very effective outside of one rushing touchdown. 

Now I don’t think this is all on Miles Sanders. This goes back on doug  we’re not committing more to running the ball. Also goes to the Saints and cardinals are great to solid run defenses. The right side of the line is getting next to no push in the running game. And some sanders has missed some easy yards by not hitting the hole he does have 

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Some feel that Hurts' cadences are causing the false starts though and I think that is bunk.  

🤦‍♂️

Apparently these guys don't practice together.     (It also doesn't explain why they were getting these false starts with Wentz either.) 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with any of those points you’re making. Because I feel the exact same way.

I am just pointing out Sanders has not been as affective like people think he’s been. I think @ManuManu pointed it out earlier on the season he has really big runs and then with the majority of his other carries he just hasn’t looked all that impressive. Now that doesn’t mean you stop running the ball with him after 8 first possession carries and then only give them seven more of the rest of the game. Or go away from the run when it’s still only a 13 point game. That to me is ridiculous.

Sanders isn’t durable enough to be a 25-30 touch per game RB — but he’s a home run hitter like very few other RB.  You have to manufacture touches for him.  It was apparent early last season that Sanders was also a threat as a downfield target in the passing game.  I don’t remember the last time the Eagles tried to isolate Sanders on a LB for a chunk play.

The Eagles best weapons on offense this season were Sanders, Reagor, and Fulgham.  Underused, underused, and phased out.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) Fire Doug

2) Give me Arthur Smith or Dabol 

3) Trade Hurts for a 3rd and Ertz for anything you can get for him. 

 

I agree with 1 and 2. I really want the Eagles to get Daboll.  Let a new coaching staff try to fix Wentz and develop Hurts.  I don't want to get on a never-ending QB carousel.  We need to try to fix what we have and add to the talent on the OL, secondary and DL.  I also would try to trade Ertz, but his trade value went into the crapper after this season.  I bet he is worth a 4th or less now.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah he was called for 25 penalty yards alone yesterday. It was bad. I know he gave up 3 sacks last week. I’d have to watch the all 22 to accumulate the amount of sacks the last two weeks combined. 

I pointed this out a couple weeks back when people were saying the offense of line played better with Jalen hurts that’s because he didn’t have Matt pryor out there until the cardinals game. Driscoll even playing hurt is a massive upgrade to pryor as well as it helps herbig as he looks more competent with a. Competent RT. Matt pryor is garbage. In the Seahawks game the Eagles had eight wide open touchdown if Matt pryor could just block off the snap. If it wasn’t for jamon brown he has been the worst offensive lineman the Eagles have had all year. That includes Jason peters who hasn’t been very good.

I'm surprised that they haven't gotten Toth or Prince out there.  I'm all for putting Sudfeld out there for the Toilet Bowl with the rest of the deep reserves and taxi squad... stupid NBC.

 

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah he was called for 25 penalty yards alone yesterday. It was bad. I know he gave up 3 sacks last week. I’d have to watch the all 22 to accumulate the amount of sacks the last two weeks combined. 

I pointed this out a couple weeks back when people were saying the offense of line played better with Jalen hurts that’s because he didn’t have Matt pryor out there until the cardinals game. Driscoll even playing hurt is a massive upgrade to pryor as well as it helps herbig as he looks more competent with a. Competent RT. Matt pryor is garbage. In the Seahawks game the Eagles had eight wide open touchdown if Matt pryor could just block off the snap. If it wasn’t for jamon brown he has been the worst offensive lineman the Eagles have had all year. That includes Jason peters who hasn’t been very good.

Driscoll really played well.  Shame he got dinged so much.   But, I still think he's best suited for inside long term.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again I’m not against what you’re saying. Frankly I agree with what you are saying. I’m just pointing out to you he hasn’t been overly effective in the 45 other carries his had in the past 3 games. As much as I love Barry sanders, I’m guessing Barry Sanders was more effective than 3.4 yards per carry in 45 other carries after a big run. I know Sanders had games where he wasn’t very great yards per carry but they probably weren’t  back to back to back games where he just wasn’t very effective outside of one rushing touchdown. 

Now I don’t think this is all on Miles Sanders. This goes back on doug  we’re not committing more to running the ball. Also goes to the Saints and cardinals are great to solid run defenses. The right side of the line is getting next to no push in the running game. And some sanders has missed some easy yards by not hitting the hole he does have 

Nope.  He'd have some games where he'd have a ypc average around 2 ypc or something.   And he had a terrible OL.  But, he would find a crease... or create one with some shifting.   He was a boom or bust guy.  He wouldn't really even get 5 yards on a run very often.  Teams would either fully contain him, or he'd find that hole and gash them for 40 or 50+.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles need to lose Sunday. On top of draft position, if the Eagles win and Giants lose, Eagles finish third and alter next years schedule. Staying in 4th place means we play Detroit and San Fran. Moving to 3rd means we play Vikings and Rams or Cardinals.

4th place! My God, we’re horrendous. We literally do nothing well.

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

start Sudfeld

We need to pray for the health of Alex Smith.  Alex... time to lead your team to a division title.  Do not let this opportunity go!

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm torn on this. Hurts needs the reps! But if Mailata plays, have to start Sudfeld. There's no way to evaluate Hurts against Washington's front 4 with his OTs being Toth/Pryor.

I was hoping Sudfeld would get another opportunity.  He has shown flashes in the past.  I thought he might be the legit #2 going into this year, with perhaps another veteran added, and let them compete for the backup job in TC.  That was before we learned that the Eagles brass were not just unorthodox and pretty bad at drafting, but also insane and without the ability to think logically or plan effectively.

That said, I'd like to see Hurts in this spot far more.  Blocking the skins with the current line will be a challenge.  Hurts has the running ability, and he is tough, how does he handle it? 

Also, something I think we can collectively agree on is that Matt Pryor cannot be on the team next season.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Sanders isn’t durable enough to be a 25-30 touch per game RB — but he’s a home run hitter like very few other RB.  You have to manufacture touches for him.  It was apparent early last season that Sanders was also a threat as a downfield target in the passing game.  I don’t remember the last time the Eagles tried to isolate Sanders on a LB for a chunk play.

The Eagles best weapons on offense this season were Sanders, Reagor, and Fulgham.  Underused, underused, and phased out.

Also don’t disagree with this point. You can’t give him 25 to 30 carries he won’t hold up. He is similar to Aaron Jones where are you can give him 13 to 17 carries but you need another back like a Jamal Williams or AJ Dillion that can give you another 8 to 10 carries and wear down that defense so when you put him back in there he has more of a chance to explode and hit the homerun.

Also I think the problem is the Eagles don’t allow him to get into a rhythm. He has 8 carries on one drive and then Sporadically gets carries at random times throughout the game  I think he’s better than a 3.4 yards per carry average he’s had outside of that 82 yard run over the last three weeks. I think this is more on him not getting into a rhythm and run blocking hasn’t been all that great over the three weeks. Particularly the right side of the line has been bad for the majority of the last 2 weeks in run blocking. 

also say this I do not think Miles Sanders is as good as he was last year as a running back in all aspects. That I mean as a receiver, runner, blitz/pass protection. Frankly he has been really bad at blitz pick up/pass protection this year but then again almost every running back besides Jordan Howard has been bad at it this year on this team 

10 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Some feel that Hurts' cadences are causing the false starts though and I think that is bunk.  

I agree with you

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you help a struggling QB?
How do you help a rookie QB?
How do you help an undermanned defense?
How do you help an OL that isn't gelled?
How do you maximize an offense with a carousel at WR? 
How do you maximize an offense who's most dangerous weapon is their speedy 2nd year RB?

 

 

🤔   There couldn't possibly be a single solution to ALL these problems, could there?

 

 

Oh yeah... RUN THE BALL... with Sanders.  And maybe consider getting a backup RB that actually belongs in the NFL (Sorry, Howie... you dropped the ball and were seduced by Boston Scott.)

It's criminal that they only used Howard and Sanders on the field together once and that was last season

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Driscoll really played well.  Shame he got dinged so much.   But, I still think he's best suited for inside long term.

Nope.  He'd have some games where he'd have a ypc average around 2 ypc or something.   And he had a terrible OL.  But, he would find a crease... or create one with some shifting.   He was a boom or bust guy.  He wouldn't really even get 5 yards on a run very often.  Teams would either fully contain him, or he'd find that hole and gash them for 40 or 50+.

It’s a shame that Driscoll got hurt because I thought he looked competent when he was out there. Herbig also looked better cause he looked better. 

Eagles had a chance to eliminate both DAL and NYG with a win yesterday, so that part sucked.  Nevertheless, they have a second chance to eliminate either of them next Sunday with a loss; let’s see if they can at least get that part right.

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

Also, something I think we can collectively agree on is that Matt Pryor cannot be on the team next season.  

What is a amazing about Matt pryor is he was competent and looked confident in that Seahawks playoff game last year. The fact he has dropped off this dramatically feels like this off-season when Brooks got hurt he thought the job was just gonna be handed to him and he didn’t work as hard to get better.

Hey HOWIE

 

 

7 minutes ago, John_C said:

We need to pray for the health of Alex Smith.  Alex... time to lead your team to a division title.  Do not let this opportunity go!

He needs to cement his comeback player of the year award with a division win

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And it's not the first time we've heard it.  Entire staff has got to go along with Howie.  Will be really interesting to hear Lurie after the season is over.  I'm curious to see if he is looking towards the future or if he continually references SB52 and what WAS, not what needs to be. 

doug allowed this to happen on his watch , team got soft after the superbowl thinking they would be on top just being status quo and not being hungry to fight to stay on top.