3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Hey HOWIE

 

 

they all would have reagor #'s in doug's offense

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Hey HOWIE

 

 

Meanwhile, what does Reagor look like?  I know he is a rookie.  Does he look like a starting outside WR to you?  Be honest.

This season was a combination of bad luck and trying to keep a team together for a last "hurrah."

The OL was bad luck, Brooks was 30, had 7 straight seasons of 14-15 games, you can't predict that. Lane had off-season surgery on the ankle, it should have been fixed. Dillard gets injured for the year, Seumalo misses the first half, Driscoll the second half. Peters wasn't supposed to be on the team, your alternative at that point??? So griping about him is silly.

DeSean showed why Howie gambled on him, no one expected 16 games a year, but 10-12 and keeping him healthy for the playoffs wasn't irrational - because when healthy he's still the most explosive deep threat in the NFL. That's a worthwhile gamble.  Extending Jeffrey was a mistake, he's still a solid possession WR, but you don't gamble on an injury prone possession WR, for that kind of money you can buy two on the FA market.

The young WRs needed mini-camp, exhibition games, and stability at QB/OL. But they showed enough that they could be much better next year, but it's not a good idea to use a high draft pick and ask that kid to carry the unit, Jefferson for example had two proven veterans around him. Better to let this group develop, bring in an inexpensive veteran and draft a WR high in two years.  I want to see what Reagor, Fulgham, Ward, Watkins and Hightower can do with a year of coaching and a QB with time to throw.

Going with Clement was a mistake. A limited power back better than a washed up Howard isn't hard to find in FA.

Too much money on the DL, a top DL, but not dominant enough to justify that kind of cap hit. Need cheaper young depth.

LB was a bright spot, Singleton, Edwards, Riley, Bradley, Taylor, that's a young group you can build around. Good run stoppers, need work on coverage skills.

CB even with Slay was a disaster area, when moving Mills to CB upgrades the unit, well, nuff said.

S was up and down, Wallace, Epps got experience, McLeod''s future is in doubt, need some help.

 

They need to clear out a lot of cap room, but next year they also need a new HC who has the skills to handle a 2-3 year rebuild, there's enough talent to build around, the OL should be much better, a lot of speed at the skill positions, finish off the offense and get a DC comfortable with a fast, young, inexperienced defense full of kids. If you can score, you can get away with an athletic, gambling aggressive defense that will get burned but can also make big plays.

As far as Wentz/Hurts, start Wentz, burn a year off his contract, let Hurts learn how to play QB, and see how the year goes. if the OL is rebuilt, and they have a good OC and QB coach, Wentz might bounce back, if not, he'll be easier to dump.

 

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He needs to cement his comeback player of the year award with a division win

What’s crazy about the Washington game yesterday is if they didn’t have a muffed punt that went into the end zone and recovered by Carolina for the touchdown that game is tied at 13 and going into overtime.  In fact the Washington football team should have tied that game anyways because Mike Davis fumbled the football and the Officials said his for progress had stopped which was completely erroneous and it should have been a defensive touchdown. what makes it crazier is that Haskins had 3 turnovers in that game and Washington nearly recovered an onside down 7 with just under 2 minutes. 

Did anyone notice Hurts resort to hero ball at the end of the game? This team just breeds that in a quarterback. 

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

Meanwhile, what does Reagor look like?  I know he is a rookie.  Does he look like a starting outside WR to you?  Be honest.

I honestly think Reagor will be a solid #2 at the Z. We still desperately need a #1WR (CHASE)

Just now, greend said:

Did anyone notice Hurts resort to hero ball at the end of the game? This team just breeds that in a quarterback. 

There's something going on in terms of the WR routes. There's a few times it's sloppy route running. But,  I think other teams know what's coming most of the time.  I don't think the coaches are changing things up enough and that falls on Doug.  Doug looks emotionally shot this year. Lurie needs to make a change.  But, there's no question that Wentz and Hurts were/are ignoring safety valves on plays. Mike Quick said it yesterday that Hurts had the safety valve open a few times but kept extending the play.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

There's something going on in terms of the WR routes. There's a few times it's sloppy route running. But,  I think other teams know what's coming most of the time.  I don't think the coaches are changing things up enough and that falls on Doug.  Doug looks emotionally shot this year. Lurie needs to make a change.  But, there's no question that Wentz and Hurts were/are ignoring safety valves on plays. Mike Quick said it yesterday that Hurts had the safety valve open a few times but kept extending the play.

I actually saw that with my own eyes.

5 minutes ago, John_C said:

Meanwhile, what does Reagor look like?  I know he is a rookie.  Does he look like a starting outside WR to you?  Be honest.

I really wanted the Eagles to get Aiyuk. I was wrong about Jefferson. I thought he wasn't going to be dynamic on the outside.

This might be one of the worst articles I've read.  

In short, he says football is an emotional game.  The fact that veteran players support DP vocally is enough of a reason to keep him here, somehow claims the Eagles players are going through Covid hell....spare me while normal Americans deal with the actual reality of Covid and then suggests that perhaps getting rid of Schwartz or Fipp will make social media talking heads happy all while not relating the article at all to the headline.  Absolute garbage writing.

 

Just now, vaeagle2 said:

they all would have reagor #'s in doug's offense

Totally disagree, although you can't make any of these determinations really.  Too many variables.  I do not agree whatsoever that if they had drafted Justin Jefferson, as I stared at the screen fully expecting what they would do as a professional organization, that he would not have had a much more productive year than Reagor.  Watching him you can see he is a much better player in every respect.  Just like you could clearly see if you go back and watch them each in college.  Jefferson made the pro bowl as a rookie.  Not too many WRs do that.  You don't get there being part of a "good system" - not at that position certainly.

What would 2020 Carson Wentz have looked like if he had Dalvin Cook in the backfield, and was throwing to DK Metcalf and Justin Jefferson?  The whole thing could be different.  It's hard to get into these hypotheticals as everyone sees what they want and it is all imaginary.

Doug and the offensive staff that was forced upon him by the owner and GM have been awful.  Change is needed there.  However, the bigger issue here are the awful decisions and drafts over a period of years and the lack of talent on the team.  If that doesn't change, you can go get Belicheat, or resurrect Vince Lombardi, it won't matter.

Just now, bpac55 said:

This might be one of the worst articles I've read.  

In short, he says football is an emotional game.  The fact that veteran players support DP vocally is enough of a reason to keep him here, somehow claims the Eagles players are going through Covid hell....spare me while normal Americans deal with the actual reality of Covid and then suggests that perhaps getting rid of Schwartz or Fipp will make social media talking heads happy all while not relating the article at all to the headline.  Absolute garbage writing.

 

Lurie has had several months to evaluate this train wreck. He already has avoided making an emotional decision. If he were to have acted out of emotion, then he would've fired Doug a month or two ago.  So, at this point, he has a lot of evidence to justify a change and it would have nothing to do with emotion. It would be about performance and the likelihood of status quo vs.significant improvement.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Did anyone notice Hurts resort to hero ball at the end of the game? This team just breeds that in a quarterback. 

What is more crazy to me is people buying into this theory that if we just start hurts all year that it’s smooth sailing,  we’re winning the division and making the playoffs.

Little do we remember Carson Wentz was great his first three games of his career. The Eagles were 3-0. They smoked Pittsburgh Steelers. then the rookie started playing more like a rookie. That is more likely how this season would have gone. People look at Justin Herbert and say wow that’s what would’ve happened all year. Justin Herbert is more of an outlier than the norm and that team has six wins even though he’s played spectacular for a majority of the season.

 This roster is not a good roster. People bought into believing the moves they made this off-season were good moves and that they were close to being a playoff contending team due to the end of 2019. It was fools gold. This team was regressing every single year since the Super Bowl and this roster is one of the worst rosters in the league as it currently looks due to injuries. the injuries made a mediocre roster into a horrific roster. Wentz not playing well compounded the fact that this roster was mediocre to begin with and when you add that in along with the injuries it is immensely worse. 

7 days from today Howie roseman will be given a cardboard box and told to empty his desk. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I honestly think Reagor will be a solid #2 at the Z. We still desperately need a #1WR (CHASE)

I don't see this at all.  I hope you are right.  I don't see it.  As much as I loved Jefferson last year, I am skeptical of the intense love for Chase this year, especially with him sitting out a year.  He's a good prospect, but at top 5-6 I want a sure difference maker regardless of position.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Devin Hester

Spot on.  This is what I see as well.  We basically drafted a punt returner, who can come in and be a complimentary piece.  Screens, run some 9 routes as a 4th WR etc.  That is what this franchise selected over Justin Jefferson.

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

Totally disagree, although you can't make any of these determinations really.  Too many variables.  I do not agree whatsoever that if they had drafted Justin Jefferson, as I stared at the screen fully expecting what they would do as a professional organization, that he would not have had a much more productive year than Reagor.  Watching him you can see he is a much better player in every respect.  Just like you could clearly see if you go back and watch them each in college.  Jefferson made the pro bowl as a rookie.  Not too many WRs do that.  You don't get there being part of a "good system" - not at that position certainly.

What would 2020 Carson Wentz have looked like if he had Dalvin Cook in the backfield, and was throwing to DK Metcalf and Justin Jefferson?  The whole thing could be different.  It's hard to get into these hypotheticals as everyone sees what they want and it is all imaginary.

Doug and the offensive staff that was forced upon him by the owner and GM have been awful.  Change is needed there.  However, the bigger issue here are the awful decisions and drafts over a period of years and the lack of talent on the team.  If that doesn't change, you can go get Belicheat, or resurrect Vince Lombardi, it won't matter.

who do you want calling your offense doug or a real OC gary kubiak

1 minute ago, Br3 said:

7 days from today Howie roseman will be given a cardboard box and told to empty his desk. 

I'll believe that when I see it. I don't think Lurie wants to fire his boy.

7 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I really wanted the Eagles to get Aiyuk. I was wrong about Jefferson. I thought he wasn't going to be dynamic on the outside.

You’re not the only one. There are quite a few attention-****s around here who believed the same. 

9 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I really wanted the Eagles to get Aiyuk. I was wrong about Jefferson. I thought he wasn't going to be dynamic on the outside.

I wasn’t as high on aiyuk. However when that pick was made I felt like he went to the perfect spot to maximize his talent. I don’t think Kyle Shanahan is the best coach in the NFL but I think he does a tremendous job at maximizing the talent he is given and playing to their strengths. I think Aiyuk is a good wide receiver and I think playing with a head coach Kyle Shanahan makes his jump from college to the pros that much smoother. And you saw that with Deebo Samuel last year. Shanahan just knows how to use his guys properly and maximize their strengths repeatedly each week. When you have that and then you add the talent that aiyuk has it makes for a great partnership 

Doug said they have a bunch of young guys. Reporter should have asked why Doug hasn't played them

12 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I was wrong about Jefferson. I thought he wasn't going to be dynamic on the outside.

 

4 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

You’re not the only one. There are quite a few attention-****s around here who believed the same. 

Yep.  Coming out his route running was NFL ready, and his skill set dictates coverage, regardless of where he lines up.  He gets open so easily it causes break downs in the defense and others can flourish.  He can also get deep no matter where he is lined up.  He is tied for 6th in yards per catch at 16.0.

20 minutes ago, John_C said:

Meanwhile, what does Reagor look like?  I know he is a rookie.  Does he look like a starting outside WR to you?  Be honest.

Not yet. Could he get there? Maybe, but he looks more like a slot, gadget guy. 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I hate this take. 

This team ISNT as bad as we make it out to be. The coaching, all 3 phases make it a lot worse then we think

No they are not a good roster. As much as i rail on doug it’s not just doug. This roster is not very good. It was a mediocre roster at the end of the NFL draft. I pointed out all the question marks and flaws in this roster back there. They were at best a 9 win team of wentz was playing well  

 Whatever convoluted argument you wanna make, i pointed out back in March and April that this team was an eight or nine win team due to roster construction with question marks and unreliable players. That is not a Super Bowl contender. This is not a good roster. The transition from the end of that era to the next era was never going to be smooth because you didn’t hit on another draft picks at positions that you need too. You spent money poorly on free agent after the Super Bowl. They are in old and expensive team that does not have a great amount of young talent. You can list certain players that you want that are young but when you go look at all the rosters around the league at teams who are in the upper echelon of the league it’s not even close the amount of young talent they have compared to the Eagles. Whatever convoluted BS you wanna come up with to justify to yourself they are thats on you. Their record speaks for itself. It’s on the roster, it’s on Doug, it’s on Carson, some injuries and it’s on howie. 

Asked about injuries the past 3 years and Doug says "football is a rough sport"

BS. This isn't a normal amount of injuries 

A bunch of those guys also called Jefferson a "slot guy. And we don’t need a slot receiver.”