Just when you think things can't look any worse... So we still have a big need at WR, are  60 million over the cap and this is the list of free agent WR's

Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Allen Robinson, Will Fuller, Ju Ju, Corey Davis, Marvin Jones, TY Hilton, Curis Samuel, Sammy Watkins 

 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

9 wins = a good roster. Not a great roster but not piss poor like everyone things. 

The problem is, and I've shouted it from the roof top our coaching has NO IDEA HOW TO USE WHAT HE HAS(see Agholar/Golden tate, ETC). 

Because of his play calling it makes every "ok" position or even bad position a glaring issue. (i.e. not running the ball so our defense is on the field more, starting Jason Peters over my grandma, only having your first round pick, whos a PK and KR specialist only return the ball 4 times(1 was a touchdown). 

*IF* you handed this roster as is, to a better coach(even with this injuries) this is an 8 win team.. EASILY. With out the injuries and a good coach who knows. 

Just think about how much better this team would be if we did the following

-Alshon sits and Fulgham and Quez took his snaps

- Mailata plays  LT from Day 1

- Miles Sanders Averages 19 carries a game. (he averaged 12)

- Reagor returned every kick and every Punt. 

Those 4 BASIC things makes this team TOTALLY different. Thats before you get into the little things like... 19 runs a game means our Play action works better, and you roll out the QB more. Which saves the O-line. Which keeps the offense on the field longer, which makes the defense better.

Do I agreed that coaching would make a difference? Yes. However nine wins in my opinion means you’re stuck in purgatory. You rather be really bad or be really good. Being in purgatory is not where you want to be as a franchise. So nine wins is not some great accomplishment. Barely above average. Which the Eagles have been for the better part of the last two years prior to this year. 

I would argue the Eagles have five young players on this roster that other team would consider absolute starters. Mailata, sanders, goedert, Barnett and sweat and possibly reagor who at the moment looks more like a below average starter around the league. Otherwise the rest of their young players and I’m talking about guys guys on rookie contracts are unproven or shown to be not good enough to be starters on a championship or playoff contending team. Five or six guys is not enough for the transition you were going to have to make from the end of that era to the next one. You’re seeing a regression because you didn’t do a good enough job building your roster in the draft and bad FA moves.

I wish I had the post from back in April showing how many question marks this team went into the season having. As well as   How many unreliable players from week to week this team was just counting on. The fact of the matter is you’re older better players are beginning to break down. So just assuming they’re gonna be out there for 16 games is a foolish way of looking at it.  So again bad roster construction. This roster has questions and a bunch of positions, they’re old and a bunch of positions and they didn’t get enough young players transitioned in. 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Aint nobody trading nothing for Hurts

Well if that’s the case then we must start the 2017 almost mvp, top 10 franchise QB, next week to regain his team. 

7 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

and if the carson addicts are going to think that carson is going to change 180 if he gets traded is the same as ben simmons will just all of sudden shoot the ball if he gets traded, we changed coaches he still wont shoot the ball, it will the same outcome if the eagles changed coaches and carson will still pick his favorites to throw and get sacked.

Why do you care.  Didn't you quit in the gameday thread yesterday ??

40 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This might be one of the worst articles I've read.  

In short, he says football is an emotional game.  The fact that veteran players support DP vocally is enough of a reason to keep him here, somehow claims the Eagles players are going through Covid hell....spare me while normal Americans deal with the actual reality of Covid and then suggests that perhaps getting rid of Schwartz or Fipp will make social media talking heads happy all while not relating the article at all to the headline.  Absolute garbage writing.

 

Ed Krapz?   I've never read anything from him, and now I feel as though I've missed nothing.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You guys are idiots. 

What’s stupid is no losses are Wentz’s fault but yesterday was Jalen’s.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Just when you think things can't look any worse... So we still have a big need at WR, are  60 million over the cap and this is the list of free agent WR's

Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Allen Robinson, Will Fuller, Ju Ju, Corey Davis, Marvin Jones, TY Hilton, Curis Samuel, Sammy Watkins 

 

I loved Cory Davis coming out of that draft. However this season by him screams that it was a contract year so he elevated his play and I think AJ Brown and Derrick Henry being as good as they are makes him the third option in that offense. And teams were willing to live with the fact if he beats them then you tip your To him whereas they were trying to not allow Derrick Henry and AJ Brown to be the ones that beat them

Dwayne Haskins Cut

Unless Jeff Lurie has totally gone soft with age, I think he’s going to make change. There’s just too much smoke there. Reports about him being sickened about their practices and storming out. Now, finishing last in the worst division ever is impossible to ignore.

I don’t think stripping Doug of play calling is the answer. If you’re just going to strip Doug’s responsibilities so much that he basically doesn’t do anything anymore, then why even bother keeping him at all? I think Doug and Schwartz could be fired. And I don’t think Lurie fires Howie, but I think someone else gets final say on personnel.

Or maybe I’m just hopeful.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I loved Cory Davis coming out of that draft. However this season by him screams that it was a contract year so he elevated his play and I think AJ Brown and Derrick Henry being as good as they are makes him the third option in that offense. And teams were willing to live with the fact if he beats them then you tip your To him whereas they were trying to not allow Derrick Henry and AJ Brown to be the ones that beat them

I'd want Godwin or Golladay, but with no money we can't get anything. Howie needs to figure crap out and get one of these guys.  
 

36 minutes ago, John_C said:

Spot on.  This is what I see as well.  We basically drafted a punt returner, who can come in and be a complimentary piece.  Screens, run some 9 routes as a 4th WR etc.  That is what this franchise selected over Justin Jefferson.

We drafted a punt returner that they refuse to use as a punt returner.

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

What’s stupid is no losses are Wentz’s fault but yesterday was Jalen’s.

Or  they are a ton of people blaming doug, the defense, jalen and bad roster construction for the loss yesterday. Kind of like what a ton of us were doing when wentz was in there. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

I'd want Godwin or Golladay, but with no money we can't get anything. Howie needs to figure crap out and get one of these guys.  
 

I love Kenny golladay But I think he’s going to cash in even with his injury riddled season. I see the giants making that big splash move. If you get him in slayton on the field that’s a heck of a duo. Now Daniel Jones still sucks so they need to figure out how to get a quarterback they can get them the ball. But when you look at their playmakers if you added him to that roster that’s serious talent at wide receiver, running back if Barkley returns healthy and Evan engram.

After yesterday I want Doug gone, it’s embarrassing to lose to McCarthy in a fing blow out with Dalton having 12 seconds to throw the ball, I havent been this fing po’d after a loss in a while. 

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He should’ve been released last week when he went to the strip club. The fact that they gave him the starting position after doing something that idiotic was amazing. Like his performance didn’t justify keeping him and then he’s going to go do dumb things off the field when the NFL has made it known not to do that. He should have been gone the moment that came out. You had his awful performance and seeing his immaturity to do what he did to justify that release last week. 

that said eagles FO rationale tells me...... bring him in quarterback factory!!!!!!!

They prioritized winning over doing the right thing.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

When drafting in the top 8, you want to draft a blue-chip talent at a premium position. In our scheme, that'll never be Parsons. WR/OT/CB work for me.

If we end up in top 6 and one of the top 4 QBs is still on the board I’m all for trading down with a QB hungry team like the Falcons/Broncos(picks 15-16). Would potentially net us a 2021 2nd and 2022 1st. 
 

Then we trade one of Wentz/Hurts for the best offer we can get(I’m hoping a late 1st/early 2nd). 
 

All of a sudden we have we have a ton of draft capital over the next 2 years to replenish this roster. It would look like this:

2021:

- mid 1st

- late 1st/early 2nd

- early 2nd

- mid 2nd

 

2022:

- our first round pick

- another first round pick from QB trade

- our 2nd

 

That would give the team a chance to play out 2021 fully committed to which ever QB they decide to keep and surround him with a good amount of young talent. If they fail in 2021 then they have 2 first round picks in 2022 to grab a new QB. 

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

What’s stupid is no losses are Wentz’s fault but yesterday was Jalen’s.

If anyone is saying that no losses were Wentz fault - or more to the point that he doesn't share the blame - then they are idiots too. I said before that Wentz and Hurts exact circumstances are different - I didn't get to see the whole game yesterday so I can't assess but I will say that if the bulk of the loss is on Hurts then rookies will be rookies. I'm a Wentz phan - I'm a Hurts phan - I don't need to tear down one to prop up the other. Wentz needed to be benched - having him continue to play wasn't doing him or the team any favors. IMO Hurts has played well so far (Cowboys included) - he's a rookie - it's only 3 games - BUT - he could have ished the bed as a starter so far and it would still only be 3 games - he didn't - he played well - take the positive for what it is.

10 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

What’s stupid is no losses are Wentz’s fault but yesterday was Jalen’s.

Not one person has said that.  You have to take your emotions out of it.  There is problems with this team that has impacted both QB's.

Everyone is enamored by the highlight running plays by Hurts, but he has issues.  When I make the following statement, it has nothing to do with my personal feelings about either QB, it is a fact.

The Eagles have scored points on 2 of 18 second half drives since Hurts became the starter.  The Eagles scored 17 points on a defense that gives up 31 PPG.  Hurts put up 255 more yards than Wentz against the Cowboys, and it netted 3 more points.  

These are all facts.  Any issue with the team that you feel contributes to these issues, also apply to Wentz when he is the QB.  And just like Wentz, the more Hurts got hit, the more uncomfortable he got, and he then tried to play hero ball.  

No one in here has ever absolved Wentz from all blame. 

No one in here has put all the blame on Hurts for yesterday.

This is a stupid narrative that keeps getting parroted and needs to die. 

21 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Conspicuously absent

 

REAGOR

and Hurts.

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'd want Godwin or Golladay, but with no money we can't get anything. Howie needs to figure crap out and get one of these guys.  
 

Has no business being part of ANY future decisions.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I stopped after you think Wentz or Hurts will you get anything above a 3rd. 

 

We traded McNabb(late in his career)/Kolb/Bradford for 1st and 2nd round picks. Wentz and Hurts can definitely generate that. 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I stopped after you think Wentz or Hurts will you get anything above a 3rd. 

 

they said that about AJ Feeley and Keven Kolb too

 

Edit: I hate being second.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I love Kenny golladay But I think he’s going to cash in even with his injury riddled season. I see the giants making that big splash move. If you get him in slayton on the field that’s a heck of a duo. Now Daniel Jones still sucks so they need to figure out how to get a quarterback they can get them the ball. But when you look at their playmakers if you added him to that roster that’s serious talent at wide receiver, running back if Barkley returns healthy and Evan engram.

Man, imagine how bad our secondary gets torched by the receivers in the NFC east with Golladay on the Giants 😓

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

They're unreliable because coaches but them in spots to fail. Trust me, Im happy we sh!t the bed this year for better picks and a different coaches but this roster is WAY BETTER then the fan base thinks. and my point was 9 wins means you have a good roster. 9 wins was your words. and if you have a 9 win roster, and a LEGIT top shelf coach he can win you a game or 2(see what shannhan is doing with nothing right now) and now youre talking 10 or 11 win team. 

No DeSean Jackson is unreliable because he’s old and doesn’t stay healthy. Alshon Jeffery is unreliable because he’s old and doesn’t stay healthy. Brandon Brooks as much as he is A great player when he’s on the field is now aging and not reliable every season to play every game. He has had three season ending injuries over the last three years. Now they came later in the season in two of the cases but three of them in three years means you’re not reliable to play every week. I love Lane Johnson but he is also getting older and is not reliable. He is great when he plays but we’ve seen over the last three years as he’s gotten older his body is beginning to deteriorate. So I can’t rely on Lane Johnson to play 16 games

asking Jalen mills to move from corner to safety without having in entire off-season to do so and only having a handful of snaps last year at the position Is unreliable. As much as I like McLeod he has now had to season ending surgeries in three years. So he is not reliable week to week. Jason peters was not reliable as he leaves games Earleys and gets hurt as he got older. 

The only reliable older players and buy older I mean close to 30 or in their 30s that I can expect out there every single week are Brandon Graham and Jason Kelce. And really probably cox. 

relying on three rookie wide receivers and JJAW Heading into the 2020 season and expecting to be a contender is unreliable. Rookies are unreliable week to week. And you’re asking guys who are not polished and somewhat of projects in the last two wrs we took.

expecting maddox to be an outside corner when he’s proven not to be over two years now and he often gets hurt is unreliable at the other corner position.

Again I can continue with multiple more reasons why they have more unreliable players besides coaching. And I don’t disagree with you coaching is a massive problem on this team.

Also I didn’t say it was a guarantee 9 wins. I said they were at best a 9 win team if you go back and read my comment. And 9 is the max that they would get to which I’m shouldn’t be your ceiling. Those were my words. 9 wins again is not a good roster. It means you’re slightly above average especially in a god awful division like the nfc East is. Add on I thought coaching wise that was with above average coach they get to nine wins at their max. My prediction back in April and then again at the start of the season was 8-8 or 7-9.