7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, yeah, it's all about the offense now.  That's what the league wants.  Every rule favors offense.  Every single one.

That's exactly why you need one of two things

A- Get the best DC on the market to be your HC. This will ensure you should have a at least solid defense for your best chances at containing these offenses. Then you bring in a OC to be 100% dedicated to only the offense and not have to worry about anything else. These OC head coaches want to step in and take control way too much. Im not saying defense is super easy, but these offenses are so complex now you need someone running that side that will be 100% on it. 

B- Have a HC(OC or DC) that will be smart enough to give up all offensive and/or defensive game planning, play design, scripting etc for same reasons as example A above. Jeez kind of sounds like we've been there, lol. Some of the best coaches have done this with success. During Belicheats best years he did not call the defense. Another name that pops up right away is Couglin. These HCs let there asst coaches do their jobs and stepped in to help coach the players and the coaches, motivate and prepare. The way it should be done. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Not that it's saying much, but Mills and Cox were the only consistent players on the D this year.  Mills has been a swiss army knife this year too, he's been asked to do a lot because of injuries.  I'll add minus a few major brain farts, Rod was good most of the year.

Mills has stunk at safety. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

IDK, Hurts didnt look that bad when the game play was balanced. Seamed to me when Doug went full blown Doug was when Hurts fell apart. Kind of what Wentz had to deal with all season. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Interesting

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

That's exactly why you need one of two things

A- Get the best DC on the market to be your HC. This will ensure you should have a at least solid defense for your best chances at containing these offenses. Then you bring in a OC to be 100% dedicated to only the offense and not have to worry about anything else. These OC head coaches want to step in and take control way too much. Im not saying defense is super easy, but these offenses are so complex now you need someone running that side that will be 100% on it. 

B- Have a HC(OC or DC) that will be smart enough to give up all offensive and/or defensive game planning, play design, scripting etc for same reasons as example A above. Jeez kind of sounds like we've been there, lol. Some of the best coaches have done this with success. During Belicheats best years he did not call the defense. Another name that pops up right away is Couglin. These HCs let there asst coaches do their jobs and stepped in to help coach the players and the coaches, motivate and prepare. The way it should be done. 

The problem with hiring great defensive minds to be HC is if they do manage to hire a great OC, chances are that OC will be a HC elsewhere in a few years and you’re trying to find the next good OC. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

IDK, Hurts didnt look that bad when the game play was balanced. Seamed to me when Doug went full blown Doug was when Hurts fell apart. Kind of what Wentz had to deal with all season. 

I don’t care to argue about the run-pass ratio. People go overboard with it quite a bit.

The point is that Doug schemed guys open consistently and Hurts failed to deliver. If we want to excuse Hurts because he is a rookie that’s fine. But there was talk in here about Hurts being good and Doug was bad, and people weren’t just talking about the run-pass ratio. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Mills has stunk at safety. 

With this scheme, and players on the outside and LB he hasnt been as bad as I thought. I think hes a better safety then CB. Id like to see him with another year under a new DC that schemes better with less predictable play calls to confuse the offense a little. Safety is a very difficult position to look good in when you have crap all around you. Dawkins would have never been Dawk without the brain of Jim and the very talented Corners and Dline throughout his career. Even in Denver he had that talent around him. But I also think a lot of these players would look better under a different, more creative scheme. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The problem with hiring great defensive minds to be HC is if they do manage to hire a great OC, chances are that OC will be a HC elsewhere in a few years and you’re trying to find the next good OC. 

Sounds like a good problem to have... I guess the DC gets no credit due to the HC, so got a long-term hire there.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t care to argue about the run-pass ratio. People go overboard with it quite a bit.

The point is that Doug schemed guys open consistently and Hurts failed to deliver. If we want to excuse Hurts because he is a rookie that’s fine. But there was talk in here about Hurts being good and Doug was bad, and people weren’t just talking about the run-pass ratio. 

As an ex player I have seen the benefits of a balanced game and what it does to a defenses game plan and problems it creates for that defense. I know you dont believe in it but thats your view, Ill stick with mine. I dont think either one of us will change each other minds about that. :)

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Sounds like a good problem to have... I guess the DC gets no credit due to the HC, so got a long-term hire there.

 

 

 

I'm confused by what point you are trying to make. If you hire a great O.C. for head coach then you would have a long term hire. If you hire a great D.C. they aren't as sought after as a great O.C. so in theory they would last longer

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t care to argue about the run-pass ratio. People go overboard with it quite a bit.

The point is that Doug schemed guys open consistently and Hurts failed to deliver. If we want to excuse Hurts because he is a rookie that’s fine. But there was talk in here about Hurts being good and Doug was bad, and people weren’t just talking about the run-pass ratio. 

Doesn't Doug need to create the game plan to the strength of his players?  Clearly running the ball  9 out of 11 plays is what's needed for Hurts, also he needs to scheme option one open each time somehow. 

That is kind of tongue in cheek but he does need to design to the abilities of who his players are.

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Doesn't Doug need to create the game plan to the strength of his players?  Clearly running the ball  9 out of 11 plays is what's needed for Hurts, also he needs to scheme option one open each time somehow. 

That is kind of tongue in cheek but he does need to design to the abilities of who his players are.

I would agree that Doug passed too much against Dallas, but I think our insane number of presnap penalties/holds ended up skewing the numbers a bit too. 

He probably thought to himself, "Damn, I’m getting guys open, he’s eventually got to connect on them.”

Frankly, I liked seeing Hurts have to throw the ball around a lot. Let’s see what he has since we might be making a franchise altering decision at QB this offseason. Let him sink or swim. 

 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I would agree that Doug passed too much against Dallas, but I think our insane number of presnap penalties/holds ended up skewing the numbers a bit too. 

He probably thought to himself, "Damn, I’m getting guys open, he’s eventually got to connect on them.”

Frankly, I liked seeing Hurts have to throw the ball around a lot. Let’s see what he has since we might be making a franchise altering decision at QB this offseason. Let him sink or swim. 

 

At this point I agree and since now we are definitely out of the playoffs let Hurts put on his big boy pants. I also need to keep this in mind because honestly I'm almost always only thinking of winning vs player development.

9 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Bills OC for our HC.  

I mean he could work with either Hurts or Wentz.  

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I was an Oilers fan and in high school watched the back to back 1-13 seasons in 1972-73. The Eagles are nowhere near that bad. Those 1-13 seasons weren’t caused by injury. We have become so used to winning that there is overreaction to a bad season. 

I tend to agree.  Injuries are likely the main reason the team has struggled this year.  Followed by everything else. 

55 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm confused by what point you are trying to make. If you hire a great O.C. for head coach then you would have a long term hire. If you hire a great D.C. they aren't as sought after as a great O.C. so in theory they would last longer

If I remember correctly,  the scenario was that if we had a genius defensive HC, that any decent OC of ours would get picked up by another team in the offseason - so the HC would have to deal with a constant churn of offensive coaching.  Wiith that much success, that's a problem I'd be willing to deal with.

In terms of likely being able to keep a DC under a defensive HC long-term, I was guessing that from the outside the DC might be viewed somewhat suspiciously (is the D great because of the HC?).

With two minutes of additional thought, this scenario only really applies to Belichick who has had a churn at OC - but even defensive guys like Patricia and Flores have gotten their chances recently.

10 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Devonta Smith is a better more productive receiver at the same school that Jeudy and Ruggs came from. Everybody loved them last year. Having major concerns about Smith because he is 175 lbs is silly.

I like Smith as a college WR.  He's been incredible to watch at Bama.  However, there are guys who are just better in college than they will be in the NFL and DeVonta Smith just jumps off as one of those guys to me.  I just don't see his game translating to the next level, especially at the cost of a premium 1st round pick.  There are about 10 WR right now in college who are going to be very solid pros.  If Chase is gone, I want a CB or trade back.  

I know it's a tough comparison but you know who else was 175 pounds and set all sorts of records in college?  Donnel Pumphrey.  

9 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I was on my way there in 2015. Had they retained Chip Kelly, I wouldn't have watched the 2016 season. I was just defeated and felt sick. Cutting DeSean, trading McCoy. He was going to cut Peters I think we all knew it. Then Lurie stepped up and canned him.

 

This isn't anything like the 2015 season for me. I felt basically the same way you felt during/after the 2015 season but this is nowhere close to that, imo. 

There is an influx of younger talent that have not been given a full off-season, a full camp and a full pre-season in the NFL yet.   Plus, the team has shown resiliency even when they have been down this year - nothing like 2015 when you could clearly see the team/players were done. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

With this scheme, and players on the outside and LB he hasnt been as bad as I thought. I think hes a better safety then CB. Id like to see him with another year under a new DC that schemes better with less predictable play calls to confuse the offense a little. Safety is a very difficult position to look good in when you have crap all around you. Dawkins would have never been Dawk without the brain of Jim and the very talented Corners and Dline throughout his career. Even in Denver he had that talent around him. But I also think a lot of these players would look better under a different, more creative scheme. 

The Eagles have also had ZERO continuity with the back 4.  Slay has been hurt, McCleod hurt, Maddox hurt, LeBlanc hurt, James hurt-plug in JAG UDFA every game.  Mills has had to move all over too.  From safety to corner, back to safety, back to corner.  I think he still has potential to be a good safety, if he has decent players around him.  Would also be nice to have  a CB2 who isn't trash, someone not as bad as NRC in the nickel and not depending on UDFA's every game.  Defensive backfields are like offensive lines, they play best when they play together.  It's all about trust back there.  If you have good corners the safeties can cheat a bit.  If you're corners are trash they have to protect them.  Honestly, Jalen Mills is one of the least concerns on the team.  Get a CB2, hopefully Epps or Wallace can grow and fill in for McCleod. Get rid of NRC and let LeBlanc man the nickel.  

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He never could. He will go down as one of the worst/overrated QB's in history. He literally had one year... thats it. 

Where trickery and a scheme got guys WIDE open and that was it for him(Rg3 basically had a year like that but not as strong of a defense)

The problem is... and It's not to be racist, but the networks pander to the african american qb's(some deserve it) and they shove Cam down our throats. I mean from when he signed until week 4ish all we heard was how the league messed up by not signing him. how Belichek is a genuis. MVP. gonna lead the patriots to the playoffs and HE BLOWS!! 

When Riverboat TRADED for Kyle Allen instead of signing Cam to the league minn should of been an eye opener for the majority of the league/media/etc

This is idiotic. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers all say hi, just to name a few. Keep your racist BS out of the blog

1 minute ago, greend said:

This is idiotic. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers all say hi, just to name a few. Keep your racist BS out of the blog

Rush Limbaugh apparently joined the board. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Rush Limbaugh apparently joined the board. 

I mean look at all the Baker Mayfield hype. Just about every other commercial has his stupid mug on it.

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

The problem is... and It's not to be racist, but the networks pander to the african american qb's(some deserve it) 

That's not true. 

The Networks pander to whatever QB is hot or the new "thing".  They've continuosly propped up just about every QB that has played well over the years....Brady, Rodgers, Favre, Manning, etc and even 'hot streak" guys like Fitzpatrick (how do you think the  "Fitzmagic" monicker became so popular?) 

If they've been "stars" or "hot" at some point in the league, they've been "pandered" to.  

 

It’s not a black/white thing.  Networks pander to running qbs because every 5 years, teams, HCs, and the media think that’s the "new style” of football, even though this has been a thing since the 60’s.  
 

And it’s not black/white, because the same crap applies to Tebow, Manziel, and Mayfield...not just Cam, Murray, and Lamar Jackson.

But the media does pander to running qbs, who provide more highlights.  
 

And they all either suck now or will suck later.  

3 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean look at all the Baker Mayfield hype. Just about every other commercial has his stupid mug on it.

He is good at commercials I’ll give him that.

10 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Well, the answer to the Eagles' woes is obvious - play Hurts in the first half, Wentz in the second.