34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Speaking of DE.  What sort of contract are we looking at to keep Josh Sweat an Eagle for the next 5 years or so.

At a quick glance I think a good comparison for Josh Sweat is someone like Shaq Lawson, in terms of snap count and sacks. Shaq Lawson signed a 3 year, 30 million dollar deal with $21 million guaranteed with Miami this past offseason. I am not sure if Sweat will get quite that much but edge rushers are always expensive, considering the top guys are getting well over $20 million per year now.

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

It’s hard to find a productive CB because it’s hard to be a CB in this league.

The best cbs in the nfl can’t slow down a great passing offense anymore.  
 

So I’m not sure there is top 10 value at the cb position for any prospect at this point.  I’d rather just have 5 good dbs.  
 

One elite cb plus our safeties and an aging Slay doesn’t change the complexion or future of this team.

An elite CB wouldn't change the team immediately but it'd be a step in the right direction. One elite player in any position isn't going to make this team a Super Bowl contender in one season. It's going to take a few good cheap players and different leadership to turn things around.

Just now, ManuManu said:

So? Would you prefer we didn’t have open receivers? This place is ridiculous sometimes. 

I think his comment was more to the fact that Dallas his defense is so bad that literally every team is getting wide receivers open against them

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not sure your point, and I reviewed all of Bacarty's posts after Arsenal's comment.  Bacarty is 100% correct.  I had an interest in the game due to fantasy football, and they could not shut up about Cam Newton.

This was Bacarty's original comment and what most are referring to:

"The problem is... and It's not to be racist, but the networks pander to the african american qb's(some deserve it)"

 

And newsflash: If someone needs to pre-phrase their post with: "Not to be racist..."  That usually means it's going to be racist.

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I probably agree with that...just with the disclaimer that probably applies to most young black men AND young white men in the NFL.

Many NFL athletes aren't the highest quality people.

There are thankfully exceptions, black and white.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think his comment was more to the fact that Dallas his defense is so bad that literally every team is getting wide receivers open against them

It’s still a dumb comment. I get that it’s a terrible year, but we don’t have to S over every little scrap of positivity. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s still a dumb comment. I get that it’s a terrible year, but we don’t have to S over every little scrap of positivity. 

Not really. It’s as much as thinking it’s difficult or hard to achieve against dallas. if every team in the league is doing it against Dallas it’s not that much of an accomplishment. There’s two sides to this: they got open and every team has done this against dallas (even cincy but their QB play of Allen sucked). 

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

To me, he’s Mike Mussina. A stat compiler and very good player. But it’s not the hall of very good. He was never the best back in any single season of his career nor a generational talent. Pass.

Mike Mussina definitely deserves HOF. Harold Baines would be a better comparison. However, longevity in football should be considered more than baseball. Brutal sport.

Mason Rudolph starting week 17 against the browns. I wonder if Garrett will try to take him out with his helmet again if the browns are losing and perhaps miss the playoffs. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This was Bacarty's original comment and what most are referring to:

"The problem is... and It's not to be racist, but the networks pander to the african american qb's(some deserve it)"

Someone said the last hour, so I looked at the last your of his posts.  There is a some truth to that statement, when it comes to Cam Newton.  People were losing their minds on sports talk because Cam didn't have a job.  He was shoved down our throats on the telecast last night.  The spotlight should have been on Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Brian Daboll, the Bills first division title in forever.  Instead they talked constantly about a QB with 5 TD's vs 10 INT's.  A QB with a losing record.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So? Would you prefer we didn’t have open receivers? This place is ridiculous sometimes. 

I'd prefer we have actual NFL Caliber Wr's that can get open regularly

Just a few rando comparisons to the last few opponents we faced.

Eagles WR's :

Alshon, Reagor, Ward, Fulgham, Watkins, and Djax for a few plays.

 

Dallas: Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Wilson, Turner

Arizona: Fitz, Hopkins, Kirk, Sherfield, Johnson

Saints: Thomas, Sanders, Smith, Johnson (they played us without Thomas)

GB: Adams, Valdez- Scantling, Lazard

Seattle: Metcalf, Lockett, Swain, Hart 

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Someone said the last hour, so I looked at the last your of his posts.  There is a some truth to that statement, when it comes to Cam Newton.  People were losing their minds on sports talk because Cam didn't have a job.  He was shoved down our throats on the telecast last night.  The spotlight should have been on Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Brian Daboll, the Bills first division title in forever.  Instead they talked constantly about a QB with 5 TD's vs 10 INT's.  A QB with a losing record.

Actually after the Seahawks game I want to say in week two the media was complaining that how did cam Newton only get signed for like $1 million contract and how other QBs with worse resumes had signed for more then he did. And it was all over the media for about two weeks. since then you haven’t heard a peep about that contract cause he’s played like crap for much of the season.

my issue with cam Newton has always been he never learned how to be a better passer. And even going back to when the Eagles lost that game to cam Newton in 2018 it looks like he’s shot putting the ball to get the ball down field. Amazing about his 2018 was his completion percentage was the highest of his career and the biggest outlier because he had to throw the ball short because he couldn’t throw it down the field due to his shoulder. The injuries he’s had and the fact that he never learn to become a better passer so he could still be an upper echelon QB when his athleticism and running ability as he got older started to deteriorate

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I'd prefer we have actual NFL Caliber Wr's that can get open regularly

Just a few rando comparisons to the last few opponents we faced.

Eagles WR's :

Alshon, Reagor, Ward, Fulgham, Watkins, and Djax for a few plays.

 

Dallas: Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Wilson, Turner

Arizona: Fitz, Hopkins, Kirk, Sherfield, Johnson

Saints: Thomas, Sanders, Smith, Johnson (they played us without Thomas)

GB: Adams, Valdez- Scantling, Lazard

Seattle: Metcalf, Lockett, Swain, Hart 

I did this exercise back in week 3 or 4. If you go through all 31 other teams hard to argue the eagles group is a better unit than maybe 4-6 teams. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I did this exercise back in week 3 or 4. If you go through all 31 other teams hard to argue the eagles group is a better unit than maybe 4-6 teams. 

I challenge anyone on the blog to name 5 WR groups worse than the Eagles.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Peters and Sproles are obvious.  The way they held onto those two was gross negligence.  Both should have been off the team exactly 2 years before they were and it wasn't even a hard decision.

Beyond that, it calls to Joe Banner's good old 1 year early vs. 2 years late philosophy.  I despise getting caught in a long-term deal with guaranteed money to a declining player.  And 95% of the time, it's not necessarily obvious.

The time to trade Ertz was this past offseason.  Everyone sees it now, but that's why it's too late.  When it comes to trading these vets, if you want to get value, you do have to give up some potential production.  Likewise, with pending UFA's in the twilight of their careers, you have to accept overpaid guaranteed bad years later in exchange for 1-2 more good ones now.  

Dawkins may have made 2 ceremonial pro-bowls, but he had 1 good year in Denver.  

Jenkins...many said it was a huge mistake to let him walk.  The guy can't cover anymore.  We'd have been just as bad this year and we'd have more toxic guaranteed money wrapped up in another has-been.

Sometimes, you have to move on...and I'm not going to criticize the Eagles for the precious few times they've actually done it.

Agreed.  But, I still would have brought him back specifically because they knew that JJ was in trouble, and needed stability on that defense.   For me, in that moment, it was less about on the field, and much more about in the room.  Its a bad way to do business most of the time, but that was a special set of circumstances.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Brandon Graham is exactly the type of guy you want in your locker room. He's a winner. He's clean off the field. He plays hard every snap.

As long as pay him in the 2-4M range, it's fine. More than that, it's a problem.

Check his cap number.... its a major problem.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I probably agree with that...just with the disclaimer that probably applies to most young black men AND young white men in the NFL.

NFL athletes aren't the highest quality people.

Like any kids, these kids need mentors with experience. The union should be doing that

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

That's why Ertz should have been traded last year.

That's why I'd definitely listen to offers on Miles Sanders this offseason.  Our offense will be horrendous in 2021 and no one is going to trade anything for a RB with 1 year left on his deal who is good for 12 healthy starts per year and has never hit 1k rushing.

And that's also why, if contract permits (and it probably doesn't) it's also time to trade Lane.  

If you actually want to get something in return, you can't pull the trigger on these trades when it's obvious someone is cooked.  You have to do it when part of you still wants to keep the guy.  Otherwise, why is someone else going to give you value?

Only as a Post-June 1 deal, but would push about $21M dead to 2022.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I did this exercise back in week 3 or 4. If you go through all 31 other teams hard to argue the eagles group is a better unit than maybe 4-6 teams. 

I think some of it is due to scheme and other teams recognizing plays. I think our coaches and Doug are sloppy when it comes to changing things up.  How many times have we seen "kill, kill" use to audible to a run play over the past few years?

Just now, downundermike said:

I challenge anyone on the blog to name 5 WR groups worse than the Eagles.

Someone will say the Jets. The numbers are pretty comparable. Even if you give the Jets are worse the only other team remotely close are Patriots

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Someone said the last hour, so I looked at the last your of his posts.  There is a some truth to that statement, when it comes to Cam Newton.  People were losing their minds on sports talk because Cam didn't have a job.  He was shoved down our throats on the telecast last night.  The spotlight should have been on Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Brian Daboll, the Bills first division title in forever.  Instead they talked constantly about a QB with 5 TD's vs 10 INT's.  A QB with a losing record.

Cam Newton is a story and it's not because he's black. Besides I watched some of the pregame and I definitely saw plenty of crap about the Bills .

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I'd prefer we have actual NFL Caliber Wr's that can get open regularly

Just a few rando comparisons to the last few opponents we faced.

Eagles WR's :

Alshon, Reagor, Ward, Fulgham, Watkins, and Djax for a few plays.

 

Dallas: Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Wilson, Turner

Arizona: Fitz, Hopkins, Kirk, Sherfield, Johnson

Saints: Thomas, Sanders, Smith, Johnson (they played us without Thomas)

GB: Adams, Valdez- Scantling, Lazard

Seattle: Metcalf, Lockett, Swain, Hart 

Where do we rank with those teams?😆

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I don't know exactly how it works, but as you said, he's a FA in 2022.  But I'm pretty sure he still counts 12.3m against OUR cap in 2022 no matter what team he's on, 7.3m in 2023, and 2.4m in 2024.  

He's our own little NFL salary cap version of Bobby Bonilla.

What we give him in 2022 to stay and play would be unrelated to any of the above.  For a few million, he's as good of a short term option as anyone else.

There's a LOAD of them thanks to Howie.  Very few of these contracts of aging, overpaid players actually end when they are no longer under contract.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I did this exercise back in week 3 or 4. If you go through all 31 other teams hard to argue the eagles group is a better unit than maybe 4-6 teams. 

If there are 4 -6 teams with worse group of wr's than the eagles, I'd be shocked. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Brandon Graham is exactly the type of guy you want in your locker room. He's a winner. He's clean off the field. He plays hard every snap.

As long as pay him in the 2-4M range, it's fine. More than that, it's a problem.

He already has a contract in place for next year with a cap hit of 18 million.