4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It's not because he's African American and to assume that is racist.

Tell me why Cam gets coverage then ??  

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cam Newton is a former league MVP.

I thought it was because he was such a snazzy dresser. He preps more for his post game outfit during the week then he does on his oppt. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Also what other player can you talk about on the Patriots? They have no other notable offensive player.  

Steve Grogan or John Hannah

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Tell me why Cam gets coverage then ??  

The same reason Wentz gets coverage when he's benched for poor play. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Sony Michel

I actually like Jacobi Meyers and Harris the RB. I just don’t think meyers is a number one wide receiver. If he was you’re number two receiver you are fine.

I also like Jj Taylor the undrafted free agent they got out of Arizona. I don’t think he’s ready to be a major contributor yet. But I’m telling you that’s the guy they’re going to replace James White with

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You can't characterize a whole group of people into one mind.  There are a multitude of reasons why Doug needs to be replaced:

-- He doesn't feed his best players.  Sanders and Reagor are the most talented weapons he has on offense, and both need more touches.  Apparently Sanders gets fatigued and Greg Ward is a better punt returner than Reagor in Doug's world.

-- Travis Fulgham was his most productive player on offense; all it took was Jeffery to be cleared for games and Fulgham's snaps went down.  It's been posted in here before that Fulgham's production dropped off immediately upon Jeffery being activated.

-- He refuses to balance the offense.  You can go back to the 2017 season and look at the rushing totals; the Eagles were top 5 in the NFL in rushing yards -- and that was only when the players went to his office and begged him to run the ball after losing to KC in Week 3.  Now they abandon the run as soon as two plays get stopped

-- He doesn't understand what makes his franchise QB successful.  I've posted it many times -- Carson Wentz is 18-2 in his career when throwing 31 times or fewer; he's 17-29-1 when throwing 32 times or more.  Doug thinks it's a winning formula to throw 38, 40, 45 times per game.  It isn't now and it never has been.  He thinks Carson Wentz is Mahomes, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers -- he isn't

-- He doesn't make any adjustments during games.  That's been quite apparent in Hurts' starts even for folks who have given up on Wentz.  He watched Jacquet costing them the game against Dallas with their season on the line, and the FOX sideline reporter had to ask him if they would make some adjustments.  He said there wasn't much they could do, because they had a lot of injuries -- then after 3 more long passes, suddenly Mills is at CB, Wallace at S, and Jacquet to the bench -- too late to make a difference  

-- He caters to veteran, over-the-hill players.  No way Peters should have been moved to LT.  No way should Jeffery be playing.  Sproles was kept way too long.  

-- His in-game decision making is dreadful.  Going for it on 4th and 15 instead of kicking a FG? Ludicrous.  He has no concept of field position; goes for it constantly on 4th and medium at midfield instead of punting and playing defense.  Goes for 2 points constantly when it isn't necessary.

-- He doesn't have a clue on status of his injured players.  

 

The evidence shows he's NOT doing a good job.  He was a good head coach when helped by Reich and Defilippo.  Alone, he's way over his head.

This is brutally honest and just by these points alone he should have been fired on Monday.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Steve Grogan or John Hannah

I was a big Sony Michel fan when he was at UGA.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Tell me why Cam gets coverage then ??  

Cam Newton is polarizing.  Most fans who study the game regularly know that he's overrated, but his personality and "style" (?) attract casual fans.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So we are not allowed to talk about Carson in 2017, 18 or 19 because it is the past, but you are bringing up what Cam did in 2015, hilarious.

Cam has made the playoffs once since then, and is 0-1.

Cam's MVP season, he was 16th in passing yards, 28th in completion percentage,  8th in quarterback rating.  Brady, Brees or Wilson should have been MVP in 2015.

He ran a lot...  hence the unsustainable complaint by many in here regarding the running QB based offense. Ran for even more yards in 2017... then pretty much fell off the map.   He's taken a TON of hits.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

The same reason Wentz gets coverage when he's benched for poor play. 

Nope.  Wentz is on a huge deal that has massive implications for the team going forward.

Cam is on a 1 million dollar deal, and is not even playing up to that.

This discussion has nothing to do with Wentz.  

Please tell me why a sub 500 QB on a 1 million dollar deal gets any coverage.  Do not bring up any other players, why is Cam getting any coverage, let alone like he is some kind of stud coverage.

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  You could take it that way or you could realize that Dallas sucks and getting open receivers against Dallas isn't a great accomplishment.  Its better that they were open than not, but then again, if the QB can't get the ball to them because the OL can't hold up, or the QB can't find them, it's really rather inconsequential, isn't it?   And asking a QB that's not finding them, and an OL that can't protect to do it so much as they continue to fail is just hubris.  Change the plan and do what the players on the field can actually execute.  RUN THE BALL.   Take some pressure off both of them.

Of course scheming them open matters. It’s silly to say otherwise. It speaks to Hurts’ struggles to find schemed, open receivers. And no one said it was a great accomplishment, but for some reason you decided to crap on it. Good stuff.

I do agree Doug should have ran the ball more, but people in here specifically said that Hurts’ day would look better after the all-22 and that Doug’s wouldn’t. I think if what Page says is true, it shows Doug did put him in a better chance to succeed than most in here believe. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Tell me why Cam gets coverage then ??  

People have, you just don't agree. Can we move on?

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Nope.  Wentz is on a huge deal that has massive implications for the team going forward.

Cam is on a 1 million dollar deal, and is not even playing up to that.

This discussion has nothing to do with Wentz.  

Please tell me why a sub 500 QB on a 1 million dollar deal gets any coverage.  Do not bring up any other players, why is Cam getting any coverage, let alone like he is some kind of stud coverage.

It was a New England game.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

People have, you just don't agree. Can we move on?

People have given irrelevant discussions.  I want 1 good reason that a sub 500 qb on a 1 million dollar deal is getting any coverage.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Not surprising. I had a feeling it would be this way on the all-22.

Moving on.  Interesting breakdowns of the game.  Yes, Doug not running the ball is part of the issue, but this is an easy 1 read throw.

 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope.  Wentz is on a huge deal that has massive implications for the team going forward.

Cam is on a 1 million dollar deal, and is not even playing up to that.

This discussion has nothing to do with Wentz.  

Please tell me why a sub 500 QB on a 1 million dollar deal gets any coverage.  Do not bring up any other players, why is Cam getting any coverage, let alone like he is some kind of stud coverage.

Cam is getting coverage because he has style and fans love his superman celebration.

Other than that he blows and deserves as much media coverage as I do.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Not surprising. I had a feeling it would be this way on the all-22.

Same. You could tell just watching the TV tape there were players open that were missed. Or on the first INT he bailed the pocket early when it was clean, along with other mistakes throughout. 

 

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Of course scheming them open matters. It’s silly to say otherwise. It speaks to Hurts’ struggles to find schemed, open receivers. And no one said it was a great accomplishment, but for some reason you decided to crap on it. Good stuff.

I do agree Doug should have ran the ball more, but people in here specifically said that Hurts’ day would look better after the all-22 and that Doug’s wouldn’t. I think if what Page says is true, it shows Doug did put him in a better chance to succeed than most in here believe. 

Lol. The entire NFL has done that weekly against Dallas. It is people are telling you it’s not that overly hard against Dallas if everyone is doing so weekly. the **** offense of the Giants scored 34 points and have guys running open as well. And we’ve piled on Jason Garrett for years for ineptitude of his gameplan and schemes. The Giants are as incompetent on offense as the Eagles. 

it’s great Doug had a good game against Dallas. No one can take that away from him. but guess what? every coach in the nfl that has played Dallas has had a good game scheming guys open against Dallas defense this year. Like I’d be more shocked if Doug wasn’t able to do that against one of the historically awful defenses the NFL has ever seen.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Same. You could tell just watching the TV tape there were players open that were missed. Or on the first INT he bailed the pocket early when it was clean, along with other mistakes throughout. 

No problem......a little coaching will help him with those issues.

Oh wait.....nevermind.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

You can't characterize a whole group of people into one mind.  There are a multitude of reasons why Doug needs to be replaced:

-- He doesn't feed his best players.  Sanders and Reagor are the most talented weapons he has on offense, and both need more touches.  Apparently Sanders gets fatigued and Greg Ward is a better punt returner than Reagor in Doug's world.

-- Travis Fulgham was his most productive player on offense; all it took was Jeffery to be cleared for games and Fulgham's snaps went down.  It's been posted in here before that Fulgham's production dropped off immediately upon Jeffery being activated.

-- He refuses to balance the offense.  You can go back to the 2017 season and look at the rushing totals; the Eagles were top 5 in the NFL in rushing yards -- and that was only when the players went to his office and begged him to run the ball after losing to KC in Week 3.  Now they abandon the run as soon as two plays get stopped

-- He doesn't understand what makes his franchise QB successful.  I've posted it many times -- Carson Wentz is 18-2 in his career when throwing 31 times or fewer; he's 17-29-1 when throwing 32 times or more.  Doug thinks it's a winning formula to throw 38, 40, 45 times per game.  It isn't now and it never has been.  He thinks Carson Wentz is Mahomes, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers -- he isn't

-- He doesn't make any adjustments during games.  That's been quite apparent in Hurts' starts even for folks who have given up on Wentz.  He watched Jacquet costing them the game against Dallas with their season on the line, and the FOX sideline reporter had to ask him if they would make some adjustments.  He said there wasn't much they could do, because they had a lot of injuries -- then after 3 more long passes, suddenly Mills is at CB, Wallace at S, and Jacquet to the bench -- too late to make a difference  

-- He caters to veteran, over-the-hill players.  No way Peters should have been moved to LT.  No way should Jeffery be playing.  Sproles was kept way too long.  

-- His in-game decision making is dreadful.  Going for it on 4th and 15 instead of kicking a FG? Ludicrous.  He has no concept of field position; goes for it constantly on 4th and medium at midfield instead of punting and playing defense.  Goes for 2 points constantly when it isn't necessary.

-- He doesn't have a clue on status of his injured players.  

 

The evidence shows he's NOT doing a good job.  He was a good head coach when helped by Reich and Defilippo.  Alone, he's way over his head.

- He could likely do a better job of going with the "hot hand" but I believe he lets his position coaches make some of those calls so if anything, he should possibly take that responsibility back.

- Travis Fulgham has dropped a myriad of passes since his "hot streak" and reports are he's not been great in practice either.

- This has been discussed ad nauseum and the primary reason, above all other reasons, is that the team is likely ahead when Carson only passes the ball 31 times or fewer.  And if your best defense of Wentz is that he's "only good when he throws the ball less than 31 times" what does that say about Wentz???

- That's simply not true and anyone who watches film and pays attention to the games knows that's not the case. (That Pederson doesn't make in game adjustments)  And of course injuries play a part in adjustments, smh.

- As far as the Peters situation goes, he was fine for the first half of the season.  When his body and injuries caught up with him, he was benched.  Simple, really.  (Yes, his PFF grade was actually on par or higher with Mailata's for the 1st half of the season.)

- The 4th and 15th call was a bad call, imo.  If you can't trust your kicker to make a 52 yard FG then it's probably time to replace the kicker.

- As far as injuries go, it's been Pederson's MO not to discuss injuries since he's been here.  He does that for a few reasons.  One, he may not know the extent...and secondly, he doesn't want their opponent to know who's 100% and who's not 100%, ESPECIALLY when half the team is banged up.

 

 

 

And most Pederson and Howie haters will not be pleased when (in all likelihood) they are both back next year, Wentz is gone and they go on to have a winning season next year. 

And go ahead, feel free to quote this for prosterity. 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Of course scheming them open matters. It’s silly to say otherwise. It speaks to Hurts’ struggles to find schemed, open receivers. And no one said it was a great accomplishment, but for some reason you decided to crap on it. Good stuff.

I do agree Doug should have ran the ball more, but people in here specifically said that Hurts’ day would look better after the all-22 and that Doug’s wouldn’t. I think if what Page says is true, it shows Doug did put him in a better chance to succeed than most in here believe. 

I didn't crap on it.  I stated a fact.   If that fact shines an unfavorable light on Doug's great day of scheming, so be it.   The actual results said plenty about the failure of the coaching staff to adjust and put the team in a better position.  

 

I saw people say that about the all-22 and dismissed it as meaningless.  As for it putting the team (it isn't about Hurts or Wentz... its about the team's failures) in a better chance to succeed, doing the same thing over and over even as it fails repeatedly and not going back to what has been working all year... aka, running the ball, its just an example of Doug being inflexible and unable to adjust to what's actually happening on the field.  But, he wants to prove his scheme works, so he just kept doing the same things, getting the same bad results.  Leading to the avalanche we saw.  Defense getting destroyed, and not protected by the offense.

4 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Oh, I agree. I like him quite a bit. After the combine workouts, I'm not sure he'll last to the third. Of course, we will have a high third for a change.

This is true. It'll be interesting to see where they have him after the combine. 

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope.  Wentz is on a huge deal that has massive implications for the team going forward.

Cam is on a 1 million dollar deal, and is not even playing up to that.

This discussion has nothing to do with Wentz.  

Please tell me why a sub 500 QB on a 1 million dollar deal gets any coverage.  Do not bring up any other players, why is Cam getting any coverage, let alone like he is some kind of stud coverage.

It's not because he's African American.  And since you are apparently racist, there's no further discussing this. 

What’s going to happen is we finally get a new DC, he is immediately going to look at the LBs and doing what we do, they are going to go to penn st and get Parsons smh