1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That didn't matter this past year either.   Lurie and Peters are besties.  I'm actually worried that he'll be back.

If Howie stays there will be at least 3 to 4 "really, that's the best you could do?" moves that will have some past tie to the Eagles. I actually am legit shocked he didn't sign McCoy earlier in the year. 

For any Sixers fans out there that haven't watched the pre/post-game show, Jim Lynam has gone full Amish with his facial hair choices.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Malik jackson makes more sense if you release him as a post June 1st cut then just cutting him.

 

Yup. Eagles can't go crazy with post June 1st cuts because it doesn't help you in March, but with his it makes sense. Minimal savings if you cut him normally, but if you cut him with a post June 1st designation right there is your rookie class as well as some in season insurance money. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Malik jackson makes more sense if you release him as a post June 1st cut then just cutting him.

Issue is, unless the NFL changes the rules, the Eagles need to be under the cap on Day 1 of the league year, so that 'saved' money won't matter so they'll have to have found a way to deal with it first already.

 

And I want the new GM to have as clean a slate moving forward as possible.  I want the team to bite the bullet on some of these deals and just take the hit in 2021 and stop kicking the can.   Which is why we need Howie out - immediately - before he can try to 'fix' what he broke.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Issue is, unless the NFL changes the rules, the Eagles need to be under the cap on Day 1 of the league year, so that 'saved' money won't matter so they'll have to have found a way to deal with it first already.

 

And I want the new GM to have as clean a slate moving forward as possible.  I want the team to bite the bullet on some of these deals and just take the hit in 2021 and stop kicking the can.   Which is why we need Howie out - immediately - before he can try to 'fix' what he broke.

I get what you’re saying but his contract when you look at it it makes no sense to do it as just a regular cut. It really doesn’t help them get below the Before the league year. You’re only saving 967k against the cap for 2021. I think Malik Jackson you likely weren’t counting on to help you get below the cap before the new league year unless he restructured. Just my imo he was always going to be a post June 1st cut. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Issue is, unless the NFL changes the rules, the Eagles need to be under the cap on Day 1 of the league year, so that 'saved' money won't matter so they'll have to have found a way to deal with it first already.

 

And I want the new GM to have as clean a slate moving forward as possible.  I want the team to bite the bullet on some of these deals and just take the hit in 2021 and stop kicking the can.   Which is why we need Howie out - immediately - before he can try to 'fix' what he broke.

I believe with the June 1st rule, that can get them under the cap to start the league year, but the can not spend those savings until after June 1st.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I believe with the June 1st rule, that can get them under the cap to start the league year, but the can not spend those savings until after June 1st.

The problem with Malik Jackson’s contract is the way that it is set up. I said this before and pointed this out it makes really no sense to cut him as a pre-June 1 cut. It only saves you 967k against the cap in 2021. It actually makes more sense as a post June 1st as they get 3.6 dead money and 10 mil roll over for 2022. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I believe with the June 1st rule, that can get them under the cap to start the league year, but the can not spend those savings until after June 1st.

Nope. Cap number stays the same until June 1st.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

When the back up QB wins the super bowl there will be controversy. And you can’t really compare an aging QB to this situation. 

The aging QB went to 2 SB and won one after JG left and now took his team to the playoffs that hasn't been to the playoffs in over a decade.  The comparison is magnificent.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get what you’re saying but his contract when you look at it it makes no sense to do it as just a regular cut. It really doesn’t help them get below the Before the league year. You’re only saving 967k against the cap for 2021. I think Malik Jackson you likely weren’t counting on to help you get below the cap before the new league year unless he restructured. Just my imo he was always going to be a post June 1st cut. 

I hear you.  I just want to clear 2022.  And there better be no way they restructure that dude.    I'm just sick and tired of dead money accumulating.  So, I want to have them all dealt with as quickly as possible.   Get rid of just about every bad contract that they can with no money pushed to 2022 as best it can be avoided.  

This year, they are dealing with $6M for Jenkins, $5M for Bradham, another nearly $3M for Ronald Darby.   That's $14M of bad management.

Next year they will have Jeffery ($10.5M), Jackson ($5M) - that's over $15M just in those two alone.  So, if we are going with a horrible cap year... just lean in to it and deal with it at once.   It will be terrible, to be sure... but it needs to be done.   And we know Howie won't have the stomach for it.  So, he's got to go.

 

48 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

There was no controversy going into 2018.  Everybody was still on board with Carson as the "franchise QB" and Foles was just around for when he was hurt and not able to play.

The controversy started in 2018 when the team shut Wentz down with a mysterious injury so they wouldn't have to bench him for being ineffective.  Then the controversy got worse when Foles clearly outplayed him and led us to an improbable playoff berth and win.

Once again, the controversy was over in 2019 because the team got rid of Foles even though he outplayed Wentz.  They then handed Carson a massive early contract extension.  He proceeded to turn in another up and down season, barely backing into the playoffs against the garbage tier NFC East, before getting himself hurt yet again, and leaving the team to rely on a 40 year old Josh McCown with a torn quad.

Coming into 2020 there was again zero controversy.  Only after 12 games of total ineptitude did they finally make the switch to the rookie 2nd rounder, who would only ever be a backup if Carson could do his job.

We see the same thing through a different lense.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nope. Cap number stays the same until June 1st.

Hmm.  I always thought the savings went in immediately, you just could  not spend until June 1st.  That really complicates getting under the cap to start the 2021 league year.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I hear you.  I just want to clear 2022.  And there better be no way they restructure that dude.    I'm just sick and tired of dead money accumulating.  So, I want to have them all dealt with as quickly as possible.   Get rid of just about every bad contract that they can with no money pushed to 2022 as best it can be avoided.  

This year, they are dealing with $6M for Jenkins, $5M for Bradham, another nearly $3M for Ronald Darby.   That's $14M of bad management.

Next year they will have Jeffery ($10.5M), Jackson ($5M) - that's over $15M just in those two alone.  So, if we are going with a horrible cap year... just lean in to it and deal with it at once.   It will be terrible, to be sure... but it needs to be done.   And we know Howie won't have the stomach for it.  So, he's got to go.

 

I don’t disagree with that theory.  The issue is more what the hell were the Eagles doing when they gave him that contract. I pointed this out when he was signed it was a bad contract. Not because he couldn’t be good (which was still in question) but the way that that contract was structured having the questions if he was on the decline. It was a poorly structured contract for a guy coming off a bad 2018 and you didn’t know what type of player he was going to be. It looked even worse when he got a Lisfranc injury and now looks worse as he’s tailed off after a good start. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The problem with Malik Jackson’s a bunch of these contracts is the way that it is set up. 

Howie special... FYP

 

Malik Jackson (~$9M)
Desean Jackson (~$4M)
Alshon Jeffery (~$5M)
Brandon Graham (~$12M)
Jason Kelce ($7M+)
Fletcher Cox ($6M+)

 

That's $43M in dead money that he has built into the cap for the future... $43M in known dead money... and that's assuming that each player finishes his contract and doesn't get cut early.   If any of them are cut earlier, the total dead money for the player rises sharply.

For example: cutting Alshon and Desean takes that $9M above, and as mentioned earlier, it becomes $15M... and extra $6M dead.  

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hmm.  I always thought the savings went in immediately, you just could  not spend until June 1st.  That really complicates getting under the cap to start the 2021 league year.

Been saying it for weeks.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Hmm.  I always thought the savings went in immediately, you just could  not spend until June 1st.  That really complicates getting under the cap to start the 2021 league year.

I am still of the belief that with the salary cap  not being what they envisioned due to covid that the NFL is going to give teams a way of getting out of one or two contracts to help them with the situation. And I don’t think this is just for teams that are trying to get Cap compliant. I think they’re teams that are going to need to get out of contract because their ownership feels they can’t afford to pay a guy with the decrease in revenue. I think there’s going to be some sort of resolution where that occurs.

I could be wrong but I kind of sensed something like that is going to happen

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with that theory.  The issue is more what the hell were the Eagles doing when they gave him that contract. I pointed this out when he was signed it was a bad contract. Not because he couldn’t be good (which was still in question) but the way that that contract was structured having the questions if he was on the decline. It was a poorly structured contract for a guy coming off a bad 2018 and you didn’t know what type of player he was going to be. It looked even worse when he got a Lisfranc injury and now looks worse as he’s tailed off after a good start. 

Yup.  And then they doubled up with another expensive DT in Hargrave.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am still of the belief that with the salary cap  not being what they envisioned due to covid that the NFL is going to give teams a way of getting out of one or two contracts to help them with the situation. And I don’t think this is just for teams that are trying to get Cap compliant. I think they’re teams that are going to need to get out of contract because their ownership feels they can’t afford to pay a guy with the decrease in revenue. I think there’s going to be some sort of resolution where that occurs.

I could be wrong but I kind of sensed something like that is going to happen

We'll see.   It would benefit no team more than the Eagles... but I don't really think that they will.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie special... FYP

 

Malik Jackson (~$9M)
Desean Jackson (~$4M)
Alshon Jeffery (~$5M)
Brandon Graham (~$12M)
Jason Kelce ($7M+)
Fletcher Cox ($6M+)

 

That's $43M in dead money that he has built into the cap for the future... $43M in known dead money... and that's assuming that each player finishes his contract and doesn't get cut early.   If any of them are cut earlier, the total dead money for the player rises sharply.

For example: cutting Alshon and Desean takes that $9M above, and as mentioned earlier, it becomes $15M... and extra $6M dead.  

I would love to know the exact reason that those contracts were structured the way that they were. It’s an Andrew Brandt type of tweet question to get everything about why and the thought process behind it. Yes we have some bits of reason we can come up with but close to the nitty gritty of it. I’d love a full on breakdown of most of those contracts as to why at the time they were structured that way and how it was helpful and what they thought was coming. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

We'll see.   It would benefit no team more than the Eagles... but I don't really think that they will.

Definitely helps teams like the eagles the most. I think it helps some teams if they do that who believed they were going to have even more cap than they initially thought as well. I think when we see some teams to believe they were going to have upward to 30 million or 40 million in cap space and really it’s gonna be closer to 10-15 it is going to benefit them as well  

Second the NFL needs to figure a way to put an addendum into their CBA. So going forward in case something like this ever happens again with a pandemic. Because if you do and you have a plan for it then teams would know how to prepare better when this thing does hit. 

51 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

on the

 

39 minutes ago, RLC said:

There are going to be a lot of business decisions in this game. You think Malik Jackson is going to go all-out? Jeffrey/Jackson know they're being cut, they're going to save themselves. Goedert is out. Mailata might be out. The OL will be bad against a team that won't need to blitz the entire game.

We're not beating Washington without lots of turnovers.

Agreed, if Alex Smith plays can’t see us winning.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

 

Agreed, if Alex Smith plays can’t see us winning.

What’s crazy about Washington’s last game was Haskins had three turnovers and they had a muffed punt that went into the end zone for a touchdown for the panthers. If they don’t have that muffed punt that game is going to overtime and they had no business being in the game because offensively they did nothing outside of two drives all game. 

5 hours ago, Khani1 said:

The all 22 showed Doug called a great game?  I bet 75% of that was Dallas having a horrendous defense.

And he abandoned the run yet again, don't need an all 22 to know that was horrendous 

So just a random thought... 

Trevor Lawrence seems to be a once in a decade kind of prospect. Elway, Peyton, Luck level. 
 

If there is a scenario where the Eagles can move up and get him, should they do it? Absolutely. 
 

Yes, it’s doubtful but It’s not far fetched to think Lawrence and his party refuses to go to the Jags. For a team as bad as the Jags, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to just try and get as much draft capital as possible in a trade back. Even with Lawrence, they’re still sucking for another 3 years. 

So if the Eagles are picking 6 it would cost probably pick 6, 2021 2nd rounder, 2021 5th rounder, 2022 1st rounder, 2023 1st rounder. Hell, throw in Hurts. 
 

In that scenario, the Eagles also trade Wentz for at least one 1st round pick, so they get some capital back. 
 

Just spit balling. The draft scenario discussions are the best part of this board. 

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would love to know the exact reason that those contracts were structured the way that they were. It’s an Andrew Brandt type of tweet question to get everything about why and the thought process behind it. Yes we have some bits of reason we can come up with but close to the nitty gritty of it. I’d love a full on breakdown of most of those contracts as to why at the time they were structured that way and how it was helpful and what they thought was coming. 

My personal belief is he was going all in on Jalen Ramsey or some big ticket item, just couldn't close the deal.