22 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So just a random thought... 

Trevor Lawrence seems to be a once in a decade kind of prospect. Elway, Peyton, Luck level. 
 

If there is a scenario where the Eagles can move up and get him, should they do it? Absolutely. 
 

Yes, it’s doubtful but It’s not far fetched to think Lawrence and his party refuses to go to the Jags. For a team as bad as the Jags, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to just try and get as much draft capital as possible in a trade back. Even with Lawrence, they’re still sucking for another 3 years. 

So if the Eagles are picking 6 it would cost probably pick 6, 2021 2nd rounder, 2021 5th rounder, 2022 1st rounder, 2023 1st rounder. Hell, throw in Hurts. 
 

In that scenario, the Eagles also trade Wentz for at least one 1st round pick, so they get some capital back. 
 

Just spit balling. The draft scenario discussions are the best part of this board. 

Lawrence didn’t even play well in last year’s CFP; Burrow took him to the woodshed, and he played only meh against OSU as well.

Let’s see how he performs in this year’s playoff before we throw away a bunch of draft picks.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lawrence didn’t even play well in last year’s CFP; Burrow took him to the woodshed, and he played only meh against OSU as well.

Let’s see how he performs in this year’s playoff before we throw away a bunch of draft picks.

Lawrence can have a horrible game and still easily be the number 1 pick that multiple teams will trade up for. He’s easily the best prospect since Luck. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lawrence didn’t even play well in last year’s CFP; Burrow took him to the woodshed, and he played only meh against OSU as well.

Let’s see how he performs in this year’s playoff before we throw away a bunch of draft picks.

Lawrence is not a once in a decade QB prospect.

 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Lawrence can have a horrible game and still easily be the number 1 pick that multiple teams will trade up for. He’s easily the best prospect since Luck. 

JAX isn’t trading out, first and foremost.

The Eagles trading for Lawrence would be like going to the car dealership and trading in two expensive vehicles you just bought last week — in order to take out a second mortgage so you can pay the depreciation and purchase another vehicle with a bigger engine.

On the drive home you’d realize you have no money left in your bank account to buy clothing or groceries.

36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So just a random thought... 

Trevor Lawrence seems to be a once in a decade kind of prospect. Elway, Peyton, Luck level. 
 

If there is a scenario where the Eagles can move up and get him, should they do it? Absolutely. 
 

Yes, it’s doubtful but It’s not far fetched to think Lawrence and his party refuses to go to the Jags. For a team as bad as the Jags, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to just try and get as much draft capital as possible in a trade back. Even with Lawrence, they’re still sucking for another 3 years. 

So if the Eagles are picking 6 it would cost probably pick 6, 2021 2nd rounder, 2021 5th rounder, 2022 1st rounder, 2023 1st rounder. Hell, throw in Hurts. 
 

In that scenario, the Eagles also trade Wentz for at least one 1st round pick, so they get some capital back. 
 

Just spit balling. The draft scenario discussions are the best part of this board. 

I don’t like generational QB talents.  Peyton Manning and John Elway were the only players with that hype level that ever lived up to it...and half the people at the time said Ryan Leaf was the more talented prospect.  And John Elway never won anything until he was far from a generational talent.

So I wouldn’t sell out for Lawrence, even if it was an achievable ransom.

Don’t get me wrong...I’m not trying to pull an Afan where I say "all you need is this, which coincidentally the Eagles have.”  You need an ELITE qb.  
 

But a generational talent who never faced adversity in his life, combined with a crap OL and crap weapons.....that sure as hell won’t get you an elite QB.

 

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Lawrence can have a horrible game and still easily be the number 1 pick that multiple teams will trade up for. He’s easily the best prospect since Luck. 

This.

NFL teams have been scouting Lawrence since High School.  He could throw 7 picks in the Bowl game and he would still be the #1 overall pick and if they decide to trade it they would get a King's ransom in return.  The guy has been NFL ready for 2 years running already. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Lawrence is not a once in a decade QB prospect.

 

He actually is. 

Luck lived up to the hype too. No one could predict he would retire before 30.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He actually is. 

If I had a nickel...

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s silly.  His abilities and skill set is what the NFL teams are looking at for the next level.  Not how if he outplayed the opposing QB in a college game.  It’s just the way it is.  Regardless of what you think.  And it’s not like he played terrible in the National CG last year.  He just got outplayed by a historical performance.   

He was 18 of 37 in the national championship game — he was lousy.

I don’t give an ish if he dominates Walnut Grove Elementary School for the first 11 games; when he craps the bed in both playoff games like he did last year, he deserves criticism.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He actually is. 

He's hyped like that.  But, he's not that guy.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Luck lived up to the hype too. No one could predict he would retire before 30.

Yup.  Luck was beat up pretty good, they never got him an OL.  And by the time they did (now) he was just not interested in it.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He actually is. 

Well, Luck was drafted in 2012. 

Lawrence is the most hyped QB prospect since Luck.  8 years.

Luck was the most hyped since Vick.  Vick, most hyped since Peyton/Leaf.  
 

Sam Bradford wasn’t far from the list. 

Mahomes is a generational talent who wasn’t even close to being recognized as such on draft day.  Ditto Brady, Rodgers, and even Brees.

Sign me up for that set of outcomes over the guys who have been hyped as generational talents over the years.

The key with Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Mahomes is that they are generational producers, not generational prospects.  They went to teams with systems and talent in place...not teams that had been gutted by years of failure and the widespread talent vacuums that earn #1 overall picks....or teams that sacrificed their future picks to trade to the top.

The most reliable blueprint to success, IMO, is to use the premium picks on OL/WR and to get lucky with a smart, accurate qb who didn’t come from the absolute top of the draft.  If you put everything into the qb, you’ll never have the resources to help him succeed.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t like generational QB talents.  Peyton Manning and John Elway were the only players with that hype level that ever lived up to it...and half the people at the time said Ryan Leaf was the more talented prospect.  And John Elway never won anything until he was far from a generational talent.

So I wouldn’t sell out for Lawrence, even if it was an achievable ransom.

Don’t get me wrong...I’m not trying to pull an Afan where I say "all you need is this, which coincidentally the Eagles have.”  You need an ELITE qb.  
 

But a generational talent who never faced adversity in his life, combined with a crap OL and crap weapons.....that sure as hell won’t get you an elite QB.

 

I look at it this way... Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen with much better accuracy and overall way more polished than JA was entering the league. 
 

TL the prospect is way better than 2020 Wentz or our Taysom Hill/Tyrod Taylor mix. 
 

I’d trade up for him. By 2023 you’ll have the cap space to sign free agents. Unless the coaching is horrid, I don’t see how Lawrence fails. 

BTW... is anyone else tired of the same teams in the college playoff every year?   How many years have Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama been 3 of the 4? 

 

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

JAX isn’t trading out, first and foremost.

The Eagles trading for Lawrence would be like going to the car dealership and trading in two expensive vehicles you just bought last week — in order to take out a second mortgage so you can pay the depreciation and purchase another vehicle with a bigger engine.

On the drive home you’d realize you have no money left in your bank account to buy clothing or groceries.

The only part of that that made any sense was Jax not trading back. Which you’re probably right... because TL is that good of a prospect 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

BTW... is anyone else tired of the same teams in the college playoff every year?   How many years have Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama been 3 of the 4? 

 

Same here. Granted, I still watch but it is kind of boring when you have the same teams every year. Unfortunately, unless they decide to expand the playoffs, we are most likely gonna keep seeing more of the same. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I look at it this way... Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen with much better accuracy and overall way more polished than JA was entering the league. 
 

TL the prospect is way better than 2020 Wentz or our Taysom Hill/Tyrod Taylor mix. 
 

I’d trade up for him. By 2023 you’ll have the cap space to sign free agents. Unless the coaching is horrid, I don’t see how Lawrence fails. 

Put him on a really lousy team with no cap space or draft capital for his first and second  seasons

 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The only part of that that made any sense was Jax not trading back. Which you’re probably right... because TL is that good of a prospect 

Deshaun Watson was likely the better QB at Clemson.  Lawrence has better physical tools; we will see how far that gets him on an NFL field.
 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

BTW... is anyone else tired of the same teams in the college playoff every year?   How many years have Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama been 3 of the 4? 

 

It’s become so regional. The playoffs need to be expanded. Watching Coastal Carolina get absolutely smashed by Alabama would be way more enjoyable (imo) than seeing the same few teams every year. 
 

Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma... at minimum three of those teams every year. 

So who are the top QBs of the last couple decades, Peyton (#1), Brady (6th rd), Brees (#30), Rivers (#4), Big Ben (#11), Rodgers (#24), Ryan (#3)

Now here are the QBs picked in the top ten, only Mahones has a shot at being mentioned in the same breath as the QBs above.

2019:  Murray #1, Jones #6

2018:  Mayfield #1, Darnold #3, Allen #7, Rosen #10

2017:  Trubisky #2, Mahones #10

2016:  Goff #1, Wentz #2

2015:  Winston #1, Mariota #2

2014:  Bortles #3

2013: 

2012:  Luck #1, RGIII #2, Tannehill #8

2011:  Newton #1, Locker #8, Gabbert #10

2010:  Bradford #1

2009:  Stafford #1

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

BTW... is anyone else tired of the same teams in the college playoff every year?   How many years have Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama been 3 of the 4? 

 

CFB needs to work on achieving some parity.  Not sure how they can go about that...maybe some sort of incentive for kids to stay in state and for these schools to keep their hone grown talent.  
 

The distribution of HS football talent in the country is a LOT more uniform than the distribution of talent across CFB.

Maybe allow players who stay in state to market themselves.  

28 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This.

NFL teams have been scouting Lawrence since High School.  He could throw 7 picks in the Bowl game and he would still be the #1 overall pick and if they decide to trade it they would get a King's ransom in return.  The guy has been NFL ready for 2 years running already. 

Exactly 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Deshaun Watson was likely the better QB at Clemson.  Lawrence has better physical tools; we will see how far that gets him on an NFL field.
 

Watson was a stud. I said the Browns should have taken him #1 overall at the time.