1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay?  So, Reagor’s only other path is to cut inside, and when he’s forced to do that Jaylon Smith tackles him in pursuit.

I don’t agree with Kempski "LOLing” at Reagor. I just liked the all 22 of the play. Had a chance to go a long way if Ward makes the block. 

So for the PFF and O-Line experts... what is the overall take on Mailata? Would you feel comfortable at the possibility of him going into 2021 as the starter at LT? 
 

Outside of QB, of course, that probably is the most interesting position headed into the offseason.
 

Right now it’s a former rugby player who is a mammoth of a human being, seems to have a ton of upside, has played well considering he’s still so new to the sport but is still very raw vs. a former 1st round pick coming off an ACL tear that is considered to be soft. 
 

All that being said, right now if I had to put money on what position the Eagles go with their first pick, I’d guess LT. Last week at this time it was WR so I’ll probably change my mind 20 more times between now and April. 

31 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

- Once it’s established that TL is not a possibility... I’m going all in on Wentz. Trade Hurts to the highest bidder. Whether that’s a 1st or 5th round pick. Get him out of the building and bring in a veteran backup not named Nick Foles. Assure Wentz that he’s your guy. The Eagles then pick anywhere from 3-10. If there isn’t a sure thing at WR or LT I’d look to trade back. If Wentz takes a crap in 2021 you’ll have to be ready to put yourself in a position for a new QB in 2022. 
 

If Wentz insists he doesn’t want to be an Eagle anymore... then might as well trade his ass to the highest bidder and bring back Foles. 

This is very blunt and direct but I think you have a point.  Rip the bandaid off.  The damage to this team is done.  Howie's drafts have sucked.  He has single handedly built this crap team.  If Carson is the guy, get Hurts out of here.  We don't need any drama or any reason for him to look over his shoulder.  Who care if you don't get the 2nd back.  It was a bad draft pick to begin with and we all knew the Eagles would be put in a tough spot eventually.  Clearly they don't care about 2nd round picks because JJAW hasn't dressed since week 8, Sidney has been cut, Goedert was drafted to be a back up and they refuse to run Miles Sanders more than 20 times a game.  They are clueless with 2nd round picks when it's such an important draft slot.

The important thing is Lurie needs to make the right call with Howie.  Fire him the minute the season is over.  Same with the coaching staff.  Get the new GM and coaching staff in here ASAP, decide which quarterback you are sticking with and let that guy know in private and confidential that he's the guy and they are moving the other one.  

No pussyfooting around with this.  Make the decisions and do it. 

 

49 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Josh Allen is also just super talented. He was underrated in his draft class.

I don’t think he was underrated at all. The Bills just saw his immense upside and coached him perfectly. His accuracy was horrible and he couldn’t read a defense. Hell, last year vs the Eagles Wentz was miles ahead of him. If JA didn’t have his first read he was looking to run almost every time. 

Who wants a 130 million dollar QB that needs to be fixed, shouldn’t need to fix a fing franchise QB.  Jimmy G and Wentz same thing.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Watson was a stud. I said the Browns should have taken him #1 overall at the time. 

Yeah I don’t know why Deshaun Watson fell to 12 it’s probably because people kept nitpicking at his game his last year at Clemson. He was a better prospect than trubisky and a proven winner. Sadly the Texans are going to wind up wasting his career 

So freaking weird that we're less than a week away from a Black Monday whose list of victims might include Doug Pederson.

 

31 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So for the PFF and O-Line experts... what is the overall take on Mailata? Would you feel comfortable at the possibility of him going into 2021 as the starter at LT? 
 

 

Speaking of 2021, it's really a 16 game preseason for us.  I wouldn't care if they started Hank Fraley at LT.  It's the lowest expectations we'll have heading into a season since...maybe in the last 30 years.

In 2016, the playoff expectations were low, but there was a new franchise QB and there were expectations of winning some games and turning things around.  Ditto 1999.  

In 1998, it was one of the worst teams we have seen and the expectations were horribly misguided...but that was the year they handed the keys to Bobby Hoying, who had some hype after some 1997 flashes.  Again, not saying it was well-founded, but there were some expectations.

You've got to go way, way back to find a season with lower expectations than 2021.  No one in the city, even the biggest homers, expects them to compete in any meaningful or exciting way next year.  That kind of pulseless approach to a season across an entire fanbase should not go unnoticed by the owner.

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

Josh Allen is also just super talented. He was underrated in his draft class.

The thing about Josh Allen when he came out was that people really harped on the fact he never looked good against better competition in college. He always had accuracy issues. Inside his conference he had issues with his accuracy but he was able to make plays and make big plays and he had a big arm. His accuracy was only gonna get better if you could get through to him and change some of his mechanics. Credit to the bills they were able to do it but if you look at all four of those prospects he had the lowest floor but i would argue the highest ceiling due to his athleticism. I remember Adam schefter talking about him back in august of 2017 on 975 saying he’s talked to a bunch of executives who believed he could be the top pick in the next draft. Spoke volumes then because at the time people loved josh Rosen. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Speaking of 2021, it's really a 16 game preseason for us.  I wouldn't care if they started Hank Fraley at LT.  It's the lowest expectations we'll have heading into a season since...maybe in the last 30 years.

In 2016, the playoff expectations were low, but there was a new franchise QB and there were expectations of winning some games and turning things around.  Ditto 1999.  

In 1998, it was one of the worst teams we have seen and the expectations were horribly misguided...but that was the year they handed the keys to Bobby Hoying, who had some hype after some 1997 flashes.  Again, not saying it was well-founded, but there were some expectations.

You've got to go way, way back to find a season with lower expectations than 2021.

Sounds like the Eagles will go 10-6 and win the division. 

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I like Smith as a college WR.  He's been incredible to watch at Bama.  However, there are guys who are just better in college than they will be in the NFL and DeVonta Smith just jumps off as one of those guys to me.  I just don't see his game translating to the next level, especially at the cost of a premium 1st round pick.  There are about 10 WR right now in college who are going to be very solid pros.  If Chase is gone, I want a CB or trade back.  

I know it's a tough comparison but you know who else was 175 pounds and set all sorts of records in college?  Donnel Pumphrey.  

Comparing the weight of a RB versus a WR is kind of silly and you made a decent argument up until then. I disagreed with it, but it was a fair point. RB's need to be able to handle a pounding a hell of a lot more than WR's. Furthermore, size wasn't Pumphrey's problem in the NFL. The problem was he wasn't fast or quick enough for the NFL and playing against inferior competition at SDS that wasn't an issue.

As much as I want a WR they should probably just take Surtain if he is available to them. He is a stud so the value would be right and CB is arguably their biggest need.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I don’t know why Deshaun Watson fell to 12 it’s probably because people kept nitpicking at his game his last year at Clemson. He was a better prospect than trubisky and a proven winner. Sadly the Texans are going to wind up wasting his career 

People over think things when it comes to the draft, that's the problem. Howie is one of the biggest culprits of that. More often than not if you are a great college player at a power program you are going to translate to the NFL. I think the Eagles should stick to drafting players from Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and any SEC team led by Alabama and LSU for the foreseeable future.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

People over think things when it comes to the draft, that's the problem. Howie is one of the biggest culprits of that. More often than not if you are a great college player at a power program you are going to translate to the NFL. I think the Eagles should stick to drafting players from Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and any SEC team led by Alabama and LSU for the foreseeable future.

Howie has screwed that up too.  

He has a new full speed ahead ignore all other traits draft philosophy every year.  Some years, it's plug and play NFL ready, upside be damned.  Other times, it's statistical production with no regard for physical talent...just look at Jordan Matthews and Derek Barnett in the SEC.  And most recently, it's 40 times with no regard for ability to play football.

But Howie has mindlessly drafted SEC production before.  It hasn't gone well.

Maybe someday he'll look at the whole picture and draft someone who doesn't suck.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie has screwed that up too.  

He has a new full speed ahead ignore all other traits draft philosophy every year.  Some years, it's plug and play NFL ready, upside be damned.  Other times, it's statistical production with no regard for physical talent...just look at Jordan Matthews and Derek Barnett in the SEC.  And most recently, it's 40 times with no regard for ability to play football.

But Howie has mindlessly drafted SEC production before.  It hasn't gone well.

Maybe someday he'll look at the whole picture and draft someone who doesn't suck.

Hopefully it's for someone else.   I'm tired of waiting.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Luck lived up to the hype too. No one could predict he would retire before 30.

I think we all kind of joked about him retiring because of that Oline but didn't actually think it would happen

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Mahomes is a generational talent who wasn’t even close to being recognized as such on draft day.  Ditto Brady, Rodgers, and even Brees.

Sign me up for that set of outcomes over the guys who have been hyped as generational talents over the years.

The key with Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Mahomes is that they are generational producers, not generational prospects.  They went to teams with systems and talent in place...not teams that had been gutted by years of failure and the widespread talent vacuums that earn #1 overall picks....or teams that sacrificed their future picks to trade to the top.

The most reliable blueprint to success, IMO, is to use the premium picks on OL/WR and to get lucky with a smart, accurate qb who didn’t come from the absolute top of the draft.  If you put everything into the qb, you’ll never have the resources to help him succeed.

I don't trust the scouting department to find those gems

I don't care for any of the top WRs in this draft...for the value/where they are projected to go.

They are coming on the heels of TWO consecutive years of a long line of stud WRs that went from the middle of round 1 all the way into round 3.  Yet the Chase/Smith/Waddle trio is actually projected to go significantly higher...top 10...than the WRs from the last 2 years.  If anything, they are more statistically productive with 1 huge year each, but less physically talented.  I'm not sure why that gives them top 10 value versus their tremendously talented counterparts who have lit the NFL on fire later in the draft for the last 2 years.

That's on us for consistently missing on the multitude of available studs from 2019-2020.  Reaching in the top 10 for a WR who MIGHT be as good as the guys we passed on in round freaking 2 doesn't seem like a good use of resources to me.

Don't overthink it. Draft DeVonta Smith and be done with it.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't care for any of the top WRs in this draft...for the value/where they are projected to go.

They are coming on the heels of TWO consecutive years of a long line of stud WRs that went from the middle of round 1 all the way into round 3.  Yet the Chase/Smith/Waddle trio is actually projected to go significantly higher...top 10...than the WRs from the last 2 years.  If anything, they are more statistically productive with 1 huge year each, but less physically talented.  I'm not sure why that gives them top 10 value versus their tremendously talented counterparts who have lit the NFL on fire later in the draft for the last 2 years.

That's on us for consistently missing on the multitude of available studs from 2019-2020.  Reaching in the top 10 for a WR who MIGHT be as good as the guys we passed on in round freaking 2 doesn't seem like a good use of resources to me.

This is just me but outside of Penn State, the team I’ve probably watched the most in the last two seasons in Alabama. Last year they had 4 first round WRs on their team. IMO... Waddle looked like the WR with the highest upside. Smith and Jeudy were about even, then there was Ruggs. That’s just my opinion. 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This is just me but outside of Penn State, the team I’ve probably watched the most in the last two seasons in Alabama. Last year they had 4 first round WRs on their team. IMO... Waddle looked like the WR with the highest upside. Smith and Jeudy were about even, then there was Ruggs. That’s just my opinion. 

Waddle is probably my favorite player in this draft.  But even him, at 5'10" (maybe 5'9")...I don't like him until the early/mid teens.

I'd be thrilled if they traded back to pick up some 2022 picks and nabbed Waddle.  

Top 10, I don't like him or Chase.

Howie doesn't have the leash to get that creative with a trade down on draft day and doesn't have the drafting ability to slide down and make the right pick anyway.  

4 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

This was great analysis.  My biggest takeaway from one of the clips is that we had no choice but to abandon the run because we couldn't stop false starting and committing terrible penalties at crucial times.  So in other words, this team wasn't prepared once again, and it's week 16.  For once, our OL was the same as it was the week Pryor (haha).  They should have had plenty of reps together to not commit 6 false starts.  Pathetic.  

Not to mention Hurts is petrified to throw the ball over the middle.   

I really don't like shorter wide receivers. Too often they're not able to make tough catches because their arms aren't long enough. Jalen Reagor fits this mold. It's not the ideal body type for the position.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Waddle is probably my favorite player in this draft.  But even him, at 5'10"...I don't like him until the early/mid teens.

Well a lot will depend on the other prospects. Is there going to be a D-end, LT, or CB with a higher ceiling? No clue. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Well a lot will depend on the other prospects. Is there going to be a D-end, LT, or CB with a higher ceiling? No clue. 

The ability to scout this year is limited.  The top DE's are all projection.

I don't believe in drafting a CB that high.

Does sound like there are some OT's with big ceilings.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie has screwed that up too.  

He has a new full speed ahead ignore all other traits draft philosophy every year.  Some years, it's plug and play NFL ready, upside be damned.  Other times, it's statistical production with no regard for physical talent...just look at Jordan Matthews and Derek Barnett in the SEC.  And most recently, it's 40 times with no regard for ability to play football.

But Howie has mindlessly drafted SEC production before.  It hasn't gone well.

Maybe someday he'll look at the whole picture and draft someone who doesn't suck.

Matthews was a Chip pick. Barnett is a fair example. That being said, Howie has barely drafted any players from the SEC, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc since returning to power in 2016 so you would be incorrect

Ohio State - 0

Clemson - 1

Oklahoma - 1

SEC - 4

Two of those players from the SEC were from Auburn, One was from Tennessee, and one from LSU. He has drafted ZERO players from Alabama which has basically been the minor leagues of the NFL over the last decade. The vast majority of players drafted under Howie since 2016 have been from the Pac 12 and Big 12.

 

Yup he will probably trot over to penn st and take parsons lol