1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

I really don't like shorter wide receivers. Too often they're not able to make tough catches because their arms aren't long enough. Jalen Reagor fits this mold. It's not the ideal body type for the position.

Well, the ideal WR is 6'4" runs a 4.3 and tosses around DB's like rag dolls.  But we passed that up in round 2.

When choosing between a 5'10" WR who runs that 4.3 with great separation and a 6'3" "contested catch specialist" who moves like JJAW or Alshon Jeffery....give me the midget speedster every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

If you can't touch a WR without yellow laundry flying all over the place, the size for contested catches becomes a lot less important.  There's no substitute for separation.  

3 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So just a random thought... 

Trevor Lawrence seems to be a once in a decade kind of prospect. Elway, Peyton, Luck level. 
 

If there is a scenario where the Eagles can move up and get him, should they do it? Absolutely. 
 

Yes, it’s doubtful but It’s not far fetched to think Lawrence and his party refuses to go to the Jags. For a team as bad as the Jags, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to just try and get as much draft capital as possible in a trade back. Even with Lawrence, they’re still sucking for another 3 years. 

So if the Eagles are picking 6 it would cost probably pick 6, 2021 2nd rounder, 2021 5th rounder, 2022 1st rounder, 2023 1st rounder. Hell, throw in Hurts. 
 

In that scenario, the Eagles also trade Wentz for at least one 1st round pick, so they get some capital back. 
 

Just spit balling. The draft scenario discussions are the best part of this board. 

Lawrence is not a once in a generation prospect.  The names you named were complete products/ready day 1 coming out.  Lawrence has regressed in every aspect of the QB game every year he's been in college.  He's got the tools...but he's far from the level of talent he's made out to be.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would bet that Avery is back. And I would bet at least one other of those players on that list is also back

Someone's disturbing tweet - "Desean Jackson is the 4th leading receiver for the Eagles this season."    

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Lawrence is not a once in a generation prospect.  The names you named were complete products/ready day 1 coming out.  Lawrence has regressed in every aspect of the QB game every year he's been in college.  He's got the tools...but he's far from the level of talent he's made out to be.

So every single expert is wrong? Lol

7 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Well a lot will depend on the other prospects. Is there going to be a D-end, LT, or CB with a higher ceiling? No clue. 

No.  There won't be.  

Despite the decades long organizational refusal to draft LBs high (which I actually agree with)....it would be such a Howie thing to do to pull an erratic 180 and draft Parsons top 10 to be a 4-3 read and react LB...while expecting the fans to worship him for it because he drafted a PSU player and finally went LB in round 1.

As un-Eagle-like as a LB in round 1 might be, that might be the most Eagle-like pick possible.

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Yup he will probably trot over to penn st and take parsons lol

Parsons has a ton of upside but I never saw him to be that great of a player. I’ve seen mocks of him going top 5. I think that’s a huge reach, especially at a devalued position. 
 

I don’t like Parsons until the end of round 1. 

This is probably a long shot, but it's worth considering taking a QB. Within the organization, if they believe that Wentz is unsalvageable (which is a real possibility) and they also believe that Hurts will never be anything more than a solid back-up (which is also a real possibility), then they might legitimately take a QB. Squeeze whatever draft resources you can out trades and move forward with an eye towards 2022. If Zack Wilson makes it to the Eagles' pick, I wouldn't be shocked if we call his name. 

Just now, Giddyunc said:

This is probably a long shot, but it's worth considering taking a QB. Within the organization, if they believe that Wentz is unsalvageable (which is a real possibility) and they also believe that Hurts will never be anything more than a solid back-up (which is also a real possibility), then they might legitimately take a QB. Squeeze whatever draft resources you can out trades and move forward with an eye towards 2022. If Zack Wilson makes it to the Eagles' pick, I wouldn't be shocked if we call his name. 

I only want Zack Wilson if we hire the Bills OC and that's who he wants.

11 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This was great analysis.  My biggest takeaway from one of the clips is that we had no choice but to abandon the run because we couldn't stop false starting and committing terrible penalties at crucial times.  So in other words, this team wasn't prepared once again, and it's week 16.  For once, our OL was the same as it was the week Pryor (haha).  They should have had plenty of reps together to not commit 6 false starts.  Pathetic.  

Not to mention Hurts is petrified to throw the ball over the middle.   

Nah.  OL have a tendency to false start more frequently when they are pass protecting than when they are run blocking, especially bad OL that feel they need that extra fraction of a second to get a proper set.  You almost never see a false start where an OL is moving forward... almost always rocking back early.

OL also have less of a tendency to hold on a running play than a pass play.  Again, not all the time, but still talking about frequency.  OL take more penalties when they are pass blocking than run blocking.

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Lawrence is not a once in a generation prospect.  The names you named were complete products/ready day 1 coming out.  Lawrence has regressed in every aspect of the QB game every year he's been in college.  He's got the tools...but he's far from the level of talent he's made out to be.

Lawrence would start on 50% of NFL teams right now including all 4 NFC East teams. If he could have come out last year, he’d be on the Bengals. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Lawrence would start on 50% of NFL teams right now including all 4 NFC East teams. If he could have come out last year, he’d be on the Bengals. 

And we'd be 4-11 😁

36 players drafted by Howie since 2016

Alabama - 0

LSU - 1

Clemson - 1

Ohio State - 1

Oklahoma - 1

Total SEC - 6

Driscoll, Prince, and Countess from Auburn, McCalister from Florida, Mills from LSU, Barnett from Tennessee.

Also of note that they have only used ONE pick over those 5 years on an SEC player in rounds 1-3, which was Barnett. Most of their SEC picks came from the 4th-7th rounds. It's not a coincidence that they have drafted horribly since the majority of their picks have come from the Pac 12 and Big 12.

 

3 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

This is probably a long shot, but it's worth considering taking a QB. Within the organization, if they believe that Wentz is unsalvageable (which is a real possibility) and they also believe that Hurts will never be anything more than a solid back-up (which is also a real possibility), then they might legitimately take a QB. Squeeze whatever draft resources you can out trades and move forward with an eye towards 2022. If Zack Wilson makes it to the Eagles' pick, I wouldn't be shocked if we call his name. 

This has crossed my mind too. The Eagles will take a long look at each QB. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I only want Zack Wilson if we hire the Bills OC and that's who he wants.

I hear you, but be prepared for Howie making picks for Head Coach Duce Staley. 

13 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This was great analysis.  My biggest takeaway from one of the clips is that we had no choice but to abandon the run because we couldn't stop false starting and committing terrible penalties at crucial times.  So in other words, this team wasn't prepared once again, and it's week 16.  For once, our OL was the same as it was the week Pryor (haha).  They should have had plenty of reps together to not commit 6 false starts.  Pathetic.  

Not to mention Hurts is petrified to throw the ball over the middle.   

Remember a couple weeks ago when people told me it was the same offensive line even though Matt pryor Wasn’t playing? Matt pryor is awful. The fact He had three false start penalties and a holding penalty shows you  how much better Jack Driscoll is then Matt prior. You’ve seen the last couple weeks Matt pryor as the game wears on continuously get worse and commit bad penalties. That has a ripple effect on the rest of the offense. It’s why when I kept getting told oh it’s the same offensive line. No without lane the best line the Eagles have had all year has been Mailata, seumalo, kelce, herbig and Driscoll. When you throw guys like opeta, brown, peters and pryor who all have been awful or are not good at this stage of their careers you see the issue it causes on offense 

3 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I hear you, but be prepared for Howie making picks for Head Coach Duce Staley. 

It wouldn't shock me.  Much like Doug in 2016, if they do hire a new HC this offseason, they'll have to find someone willing to defer to Howie.

And while the whole "only 32 seats at the NFL HC table lots of guys would kill for the job" rationale applies, the top 2-3 candidates in the cycle will hand pick the right situation.  Daboll will be THE guy in this process.  I doubt he signs up for this dumpster fire.  

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I really don't like shorter wide receivers. Too often they're not able to make tough catches because their arms aren't long enough. Jalen Reagor fits this mold. It's not the ideal body type for the position.

Tyreke Hill disagrees with you.  Give me a shorter wide receiver (Desean Jackson in his prime) that can create separation over a newer version of Alshon Jeffrey.  Hill has made some of the silliest contested catches over the last few seasons I've ever seen.  The difference is 75% of his TDs are from him being wide open due to scheme and route running.  I'll admit he's the exception and not the rule.  

Just now, hputenis said:

Tyreke Hill disagrees with you.  Give me a shorter wide receiver (Desean Jackson in his prime) that can create separation over a newer version of Alshon Jeffrey.  Hill has made some of the silliest contested catches over the last few seasons I've ever seen.  The difference is 75% of his TDs are from him being wide open due to scheme and route running.  I'll admit he's the exception and not the rule.  

Is he the exception?  6' and under with blazing speed is becoming the rule.

I'm certainly not passing on speed and the ability to separate for size and slow contested catch specialists. Don't get it twisted. You have to be able to separate. I'm just not trying to draft a receiver who is shorter than 6 ft in the top 5 unless they're really special. There aren't many short WRs who absolutely excel in this league. Tyreek Hills don't grow on trees.

Smith is in the Heisman conversation, he is special.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

I'm certainly not passing on speed and the ability to separate for size and slow contested catch specialists. Don't get it twisted. You have to be able to separate. I'm just not trying to draft a receiver who is shorter than 6 ft in the top 5 unless they're really special. There aren't many short WRs who absolutely excel in this league. Tyreek Hills don't grow on trees.

Top 5 is for franchise passers, franchise pass protectors, WRs who are slightly less talented than Megatron, and trading down.

I used to say franchise pass rushers, but in the NFL's radical shift away from defensive football, I don't believe they should be included anymore.

So I agree that sub-6' is a problem in that drafting range.

13 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Lawrence would start on 50% of NFL teams right now including all 4 NFC East teams. If he could have come out last year, he’d be on the Bengals. 

The logic that that post you’re commenting to is the same logic people used against deshaun Watson and why he felt a 12 but yet he is now a pro bowl caliber quarterback consistently. Like people kept nitpicking on Deshaun Watson and he dropped because they were stating he had regressed from the previous season and didn’t do this well enough because he had been in the spotlight for like three seasons. So there was more tape to nitpick from then Mitchell Trubisky who was only the starter for like one year. Folks remember lawrence’s bad national championship game but sometimes you run into a better overall team. The LSU team he faced last year was better than the Alabama team he faced in the national championship game the year before. And the team last year around him while talented was not nearly as good as that 2018 team. 

and when you look at his numbers he really hasn’t regress. He’s improved his accuracy every single year.
 

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Smith is in the Heisman conversation, he is special.

Yep, some people are WAY overthinking things because he is 175 lbs.

Since we are officially in the market for a franchise QB, let's agree on a definition for arm talent, which is becoming an overused buzz term.

Is it synonymous with arm strength?  Is it more related to "flickability"...which I think of as a combination of arm strength with a rapid effortless release?

Is accuracy a component of that at all?