Im not saying take Harris or anything just pointing out that he is an amazing college football player on an insane offense, Truly elite.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Speaking of Brandon Jacobs never forget 

 

King Gocong with the hit.!

 

 

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Since we are officially in the market for a franchise QB, let's agree on a definition for arm talent, which is becoming an overused buzz term.

Is it synonymous with arm strength?  Is it more related to "flickability"...which I think of as a combination of arm strength with a rapid effortless release?

Is accuracy a component of that at all?  

What an awesome topic for discussion.  I'm not sure what arm talent truly means.  My guess is 25 years ago, it probably meant how far or fast you can throw a football.  Now, the term "arm talent" seems arbitrary.  Give me the guy that has "less" arm talent, can make all the necessary throws, and can scan the field and go through progressions in his sleep.  That last part usually doesn't happen for most of the pros, and in my opinion, it happens at an even less percentage for all the guys that have true "arm talent," since they all got away with their cannons or crazy athleticism their entire lives.  Most of them can't get away from that.  

Vick had the greatest "flickability" in the history of western civilization along with a rapid effortless release along with being the fastest QB ever.  What a freak of nature and he's admitted multiple times that he put in zero work with film study or playbooks with Atlanta.  On the other end of the spectrum, we have Jalen Hurts, who doesn't have half the arm strength of a Vick or even a Wentz, so it would be more than necessary for him to study, practice, and make sure he's on the same page with the receivers. 

I don't even know where I'm going with this other than there's probably a happy medium somewhere that creates a franchise QB.  

 

12 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Im not saying take Harris or anything just pointing out that he is an amazing college football player on an insane offense, Truly elite.

Why would it matter when we don't have the offensive capability to give our current RB 15 touches/game?  

16 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Najee Harris is 6'2" 230

Barkley and Zeke are 6 ft even 

2 extra inches may not seem like a big deal but my wife disagrees 😉

Can you refrain from winking at any of us after that sentence?  

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

LOL.  Cool story brah.  I remember the same about Manning and Elway.  Pretty naive.  

No, you don’t.  Manning won all of his bowl games except his last season when they were 13.5 point underdogs to Nebraska 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think at the Eagles didn’t look at all their options at where they’re picking including quarterback they would be doing a major disservice to the organization. It’s not as if Wentz or hurts are locks to be franchise quarterbacks. So they should be doing their due diligence with all 5 of those quarterbacks (Lawrence, Wilson, fields, lance and jones) even though Trevor Lawrence is not happening.  If they do their homework and they wind up falling in love with one of those kids more so than what they believe hurts or Wentz can be going forward then they should take that quarterback because you might not be in a position again to get the quarterback you ultimately love. That said everyone after Trevor Lawrence I think there’s a big drop.

An organization is supposed to have direction.  
 

Giving out a 4 year/$128M contract to your franchise QB, entertaining the notion of replacing him going into the first year of said contract with a running QB and eating $35M in dead money (which won’t happen btw), then switching again to draft a third QB with the 6th overall pick (which would likely be, at best, the 3rd rated QB) in the draft?

That’s a clown show, not due diligence.  That’s approaching the level of Mike Ditka trading an entire draft year for Ricky Williams level of bad.

 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

An organization is supposed to have direction.  
 

Giving out a 4 year/$128M contract to your franchise QB, entertaining the notion of replacing him going into the first year of said contract with a running QB and eating $35M in dead money (which won’t happen btw), then switching again to draft a third QB with the 6th overall pick (which would likely be, at best, the 3rd rated QB) in the draft?

That’s a clown show, not due diligence.  That’s approaching the level of Mike Ditka trading an entire draft year for Ricky Williams level of bad.

 

You are under the assumption that the Philadelphia Eagles think they can still salvage Carson wentz and they are paying him regardless so it’s a sunk cost if they feel he’s too broken to fix (I’m not saying that is or isn’t the case but there could be that possibility). If there’s people inside that organization that do not believe they can salvage/even if they have major doubts about Carson Wentz and have doubts hurts is good enough to be a high quality future starter then you better look into it and do scouting. That’s gross negligence if that turns out to be their true feelings and ignore it due to owing Carson money  

I think Carson is salvageable. however if there’s people in that building making major decisions that don’t believe that and they think Jalen Hurts may not be nearly as good as those other prospects going forward then it’s a even bigger clown show that you didn’t do any scouting. Imo it’s a bigger clown show to just ignore the position at 6 cause you owe Carson a ton of money but don’t actually think he is fixable (if and big IF they believe that) and if there’s belief those other prospects could be franchise QBs/have higher ceilings than hurts long term. 

I like Carson and I know you do too and believe he is salvageable. However if the Philadelphia eagles are doing their scouting properly then you do your due diligence on every prospect that could be available to you at six if they have major doubts on both of these QBs being franchise QBs going forward after they go back, review and self scout on the season. 

i don’t think they go QB at 6 or truly consider drafting one but i can’t entirely rule it out cause i don’t know how they truly feel behind the scenes with wentz/hurts and their idiotic comments about being a QB factory 

48 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No, you don’t.  Manning won all of his bowl games except his last season when they were 13.5 point underdogs to Nebraska 

Just pointing out went and researched it Clemson was underdogs in both of those championship games (according to cbs sports line)  He is 1-1 in those games  

alabama -5

LSU -5.5 (some other sites had it as 4-4.5)

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

of course not... I just left the ellipsis to do the rest of the talking.        I think he's a free agent anyway, and I'm sure that a bunch of teams will be hot on his trail.

Comp pick!

13 hours ago, NCiggles said:

To me, there's no question that Wentz will have a preference to be traded and I think will believe he can earn the remainder of his guaranteed money over the next several seasons.  The only way that's not his preference is if a new coach/GM comes in and says he's the starter.  I don't see that happening.  

If Hurts has a bad game this week, you can bet even if the coaching staff stays there will be a ton of butt kissing to try and make up for the absolute cluster that this season has become and how he was treated.

Honestly know from what I can glean from him he will forgive and try to move on here if he's wanted

12 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Why? Why don’t the same Wentzcuses, all 33 of them, apply to Hurts too.

Because they don't anymore and why should they? Hurts is the savior of the team,right?

12 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm meh about teams that haven't won one but I'll be rooting for Bills, Titans, and Packers in the playoffs

Those teams are just fun to watch now

I will be rooting for the Bills as well

8 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Comparing the weight of a RB versus a WR is kind of silly and you made a decent argument up until then. I disagreed with it, but it was a fair point. RB's need to be able to handle a pounding a hell of a lot more than WR's. Furthermore, size wasn't Pumphrey's problem in the NFL. The problem was he wasn't fast or quick enough for the NFL and playing against inferior competition at SDS that wasn't an issue.

As much as I want a WR they should probably just take Surtain if he is available to them. He is a stud so the value would be right and CB is arguably their biggest need.

Wasn't so much as comparing the 2 but saying our last 175 player was a wreck.

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Notable exceptions:

Peters, Jeffery, Jackson (both of them), Goodwin, Pryor.... 

yup

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The Eagles aren't mailing it in; they are going to win the game.

WFT may have a playoff spot on the line, but they also have no QB.  

We have a QB who will use his legs to neutralize the best thing WTF has going for them...the pass rush.  Hurts will scamper his way to a few 3rd down conversions with the pass rush at his heels to string together enough field goals to outscore a team that will enter the game with no quarterback.  

I'd be very surprised if the Eagles don't pull this one out.  That win still won't be enough for Lurie/Howie/Spadaro/et al to even try to sell the fans on anything competitive for 2021.  I actually think they'll all shut up and avoid polishing this turd of a team in fear of choking on their own quotes yet again.  I expect a quiet offseason from all of them, with a few comments about how this was not acceptable and they'll do whatever it takes to succeed.

The WTF will mush rush and try to keep him in the pocket. We don't win this game.

 

 

WTFs 24- Eagles 21

The only positive of the Eagles winning is Jalen Hurts looks real good and can be traded for a 2nd round pick in the offseason. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok. Let’s review.  
 

His completion % has improved every year.   

He had more yards last year than he did the year before.  Just not this year, because of the shortened season. 
 

His yards per game has increased every year.   Freshman year was 218 yards, this year was 305 yards per game.  
 

His yards per attempt and yards per pass has increased every year.   
 

His TD were up last year from his rookie year by 6   
 

His TD per game has increased every year    Only this year is .4 TD a game more than last year.

His QB rating has increased every year.   This year being at 172.7 and Freshman year at 157.6   
 

So I’ll ask you.   What aspect of his "qb game” has regressed?  

 

Don’t bother. He’ll just bring up the 1 game he lost where the other team was better at every single other position. 
 

If memory serves me correct, I think Elway had a losing record in college. 

From basically every account I’ve read, it’s a weaker year to be picking top 10 unless you want a QB or Sewell. 

So while the guys we are projected to take at say pick 7 (Chase, Smith, Parsons) might not have been top 5-8 picks in previous drafts, you can only pick guys in this draft class. Comparing these guys to other drafts is meaningless outside of comparing the quality of this draft vs others. 

By the way, if we draft around pick 10, people are gonna lose their mind when Kyle Pitts is far and away the top remaining player. He is a blue chip talent. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

From basically every account I’ve read, it’s a weaker year to be picking top 10 unless you want a QB or Sewell. 

So while the guys we are projected to take at say pick 7 (Chase, Smith, Parsons) might not have been top 5-8 picks in previous drafts, you can only pick guys in this draft class. Comparing these guys to other drafts is meaningless outside of comparing the quality of this draft vs others. 

Yep, it's an incredibly weak top end draft.  Add in all of the top players who opted out because of Covid and the Eagles couldn't have picked a worse year to be picking in the top 10.  It's the most Eagles thing.  Suck to get a high pick only to have no top prospects who jump off as elite or the players who might be haven't played in over a year.

8 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Yep, some people are WAY overthinking things because he is 175 lbs.

In fairness, Smith is a tough player to gauge.  He seems to have remarkable hands.  That's the one skill you keep hearing about.  But at that size, how many NFL WR's have success without elite speed and great route running?  

Are we looking at a guy the size of DJax but without elite speed?  I really don't know...so I think like most, I really want to see what he looks like at the combine before forming an opinion on Smith. 

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Trade down and load up on corners and o-line. But knowing Howie, he’ll take a TE or another WR.   Or find out who Dallas covets and draft them.  

If that's the case if i were Dallas i'd let it slip that i like a PAC 12 receiver.

If any of the top CB can run and Chase is off the board, that's my pick.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

If any of the top CB can run and Chase is off the board, that's my pick.

I'd like a CB or Parsons from PSU but i doubt he'll be there.

Besides, figure the odds of the Eagles drafting a LB that high.

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Trade down and load up on corners and o-line. But knowing Howie, he’ll take a TE or another WR.   Or find out who Dallas covets and draft them.  

You joke about taking a tight end but I'm trying to start a Kyle Pitts bandwagon.  Pitts is an athletic freak at TE.  6-6 240.  Philly guy.  

I've posted my proposed plan a few times but I think it makes a ton of sense looking down the road with building a young, inexpensive roster.

-Trade Ertz for a 4th- He isn't coming back.  You MIGHT get a 3rd but I think a 4th is what he will bring back.

-Trade Goedert for a 2nd and a 4th.   People will laugh because I just said trade Ertz.  Hayden Hurst was 26 last year and traded to the Falcons for a 2nd and 5th.  Goedert is better and turns 26 this week.  I love Goedert but the Eagles are $60 million over the cap.  DG is due an extension and it's going to be around the $12 million/year range.  With so many other issues, paying top dollar for a tight end doesn't make the most sense.  He's also been injured every year he's been in the league.

-Sign Richard Rodgers to a 2-year deal.  Dick Rod proved this year that he's a great #2-3 TE in the NFL and can start when needed.  The perfect compliment at TE.

-Trade back in the first maybe 16-18.  Trading back can hopefully bring an extra 2nd and 5th.

-Draft Kyle Pitts.  You replace Goedert with a younger, more dynamic and more importantly cheaper version for the next 5 years.  If we can draft Pitts at 16 you have your starting TE for about $15 million total contract.  Compare that to a potential $40-$50 million to extend Goedert.

 

I know drafting a tight end isn't ideal or sexy right now but looking at big picture and what it means in building the team could be huge.  This team needs to add young talent and a lot of it while also saving money.  That's tough to do when the young talent you have is due big paydays.  The trades proposed would give the Eagles 12 picks in the 2021 draft.  Exactly what the team needs to turn this roster over.

1st round

2nd round - 3 picks (2 via trade)

3rd round

4th round- 2 picks as opposed to zero currently

5th round- 3 picks (1 from DAL/1 new trade)

6th round

7th round