Most likely scenario I see is everything stays the same and maybe the SOS flips giving us the tiebreaker over Cincinnati.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s such a terrible take. "Let’s not rush to judgement after one game. Let’s rush to judgment of a full season after 3 games.”

Honestly that’s the Issue both ways. You project his numbers out to be that but then you don’t also put in there that at some point in time the league is going to catch up to you so you’re going to have some struggles as a rookie. Every rookie who’s ever played quarterback the NFL level has struggled for a stretch of games. Justin Herbert had a series of three games where he was not very good. So when you project out stats for a rookie at quarterback you also I have to assume at some point in time in that season you’re going to have some struggles because they are a rookie.

It’s the same reason why saying after one game of football he is going to be a bust. you have to give him some time to correct the rookie mistakes he’s making you you have to give them some time to see what exactly he is or isn’t. Currently we have some knowledge of it but we don’t have enough because it’s only been three starts.

Both are ridiculous notion‘s because you know he’s not going through an entire season  without having some sort of struggle at some point in the year where it’s going to ding his statistics. Go look at Justin Herbert he had a three week period where he struggled. And Justin Herbert is putting up historic rookie NFL numbers but he was on pace for even greater numbers until you hit that three week struggle. Now he was able to get out of the struggle only after three weeks but a lot of rookies he could last longer than three weeks.

Maadi is a shill. People really need to stop with the "won a Super Bowl thing.” Yes, they did and they deserve credit for it and to be remembered and treasured forever. But because we never won one before, people hold anyone connected to that team on this pedestal to where they need to be held onto until the end of time.

It wasn’t like it was some Fing dynasty. Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl with the packers and he Fing sucks. In fact, keeping him actually likely prevented Rodgers from winning another one.

not all Super Bowl winners are great at their jobs. There’s a difference between having one great year and being great. And anyone who’s not great is replaceable. That doesn’t mean they’ll pick the right guy to replace them, but you never know until you try. What I do know is this team has gotten worse 3 straight years and I don’t want to find out what the next year for this group holds.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Just shows how many people see the need for change

Lets just hope the change comes BEFORE the draft.

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lol. "Lets do exactly the same thing we did last year". Great solution. 

I feel like this was always the most likely scenario and unless doug got irritated by then forcing him to give a plays and fire coaches he wanted to keep for the second straight year.

however it would be different if they actually hired an offensive coordinator because they didn’t hire one last year. They just hired a bunch of offense of coaches and didn’t hire an actual OC. All they had to do last year was find someone they liked as an offensive coordinator and hire him. And yet they manage to screw that up by just hiring multiple other coaches and no one really has the full power of the OC and its divided up between like 5-6 guys 

Maybe I’m just hopeful, but I think Lurie is going to do something big. My logic:

Theres smoke with him being fed up and storming out of practices. They are the first team eliminated in the worst division ever. They already changed assistants, so I don’t know what good that will do again.

Lurie had gotten less patient and more hands on as he’s gotten older. I just don’t think he’s going to keep the status quo. And they can’t use the shortened season excuse because they were the only team in the division coming in with the same coaching staff the year prior. They can’t use the injury excuse because Dallas was more injured and the Eagles were the only team not to lose their starting QB due to injury.

I think either Doug is going to be fired or Howie will be stripped of final say on personnel. Or both. Lurie wants to win and I can’t see him being swayed to keep things the same if he’s that fed up with how bad the season went.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I feel like this was always the most likely scenario and unless doug got irritated by then forcing him to give a plays and fire coaches he wanted to keep for the second straight year.

however it would be different if they actually hired an offensive coordinator because they didn’t hire one last year. They just hired a bunch of offense of coaches and didn’t hire an actual OC. All they had to do last year was find someone they liked as an offensive coordinator and hire him. And yet they manage to screw that up by just hiring multiple other coaches and no one really has the full power of the OC and its divided up between like 5-6 guys 

Problem is they had a structured setting and it didn’t work. Groh stunk. And they tried the traditional approach but they had to go to this hodge podge 1000 assistants because no legit coordinator wants to be here if they aren’t calling plays. And no ones going to want to come here next year. So you have to hire some lackey like Groh or someone that just got fired and doesn’t have a choice. Them managing to hire Reich who was just fired who seemed to be decent is like winning a scratch off. I doubt it works again.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Problem is they had a structured setting and it didn’t work. Groh stunk. And they tried the traditional approach but they had to go to this hodge podge 1000 assistants because no legit coordinator wants to be here if they aren’t calling plays. And no ones going to want to come here next year. So you have to hire some lackey like Groh or someone that just got fired and doesn’t have a choice. Them managing to hire Reich who was just fired who seemed to be decent is like winning a scratch off. I doubt it works again.

But I think part of doug keeping his job is likely the eagles telling him he has to give up play calling. I’d be surprised if the eagles retained doug and he got to continue to call plays knowing they’ve struggle on offense and the ability to hire a coordinator without it. I’m guessing that’s part of the change they make going into next year is that doug Gives up playcalling 

46 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Bears could lose against Packers and still get into the playoffs

Wonder if they'd consider putting Foles in

If I were a Bears fan I’d be pissed about what’s going on right now.  Fool’s Gold the last 3 games.  Brady Quinn and Bruce Murray said the Bears screwed up by not picking up Trubisky’s 5th year option and now ‘have to’ franchise tag him next year.  Are they kidding?  That would be $36M to Trubisky to play under the tag.

Foles is a $6.67M cap hit next season.  Have him be the backup and draft a QB.  You can’t throw bad money after bad at Trubisky; they’ve already seen what he is for 4 years.

Also "Give John Dorsey more say on player personnel” is the WORST approach they could take. It would be worse than just giving Howie full autonomy. All that does is set up yet another fall guy for bad drafts and signings. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

But I think part of doug keeping his job is likely the eagles telling him he has to give up play calling. I’d be surprised if the eagles retained doug and he got to continue to call plays knowing they’ve struggle on offense and the ability to hire a coordinator without it. I’m guessing that’s part of the change they make going into next year is that doug Gives up playcalling 

Could be but then if I were Doug I’d say "lol no.” He really has no motivation to continue to be neutered. I can’t see how his contract specifies anything about play calling. So if I were him I’d just do my job the way I want or they can fire me and I can continue to collect money on the contract they locked him into.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also "Give John Dorsey more say on player personnel” is the WORST approach they could take. It would be worse than just giving Howie full autonomy. All that does is set up yet another fall guy for bad drafts and signings. 

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Could be but then if I were Doug I’d say "lol no.” He really has no motivation to continue to be neutered. I can’t see how his contract specifies anything about play calling. So if I were him I’d just do my job the way I want or they can fire me and I can continue to collect money on the contract they locked him into.

It’s part of the reason why I said I think doug might not be back and they claim it is mutual cause i think he goes somewhere else they are going to allow him to do that. I think the biggest question is Doug weighing not having playcalling with the Eagles as a better job then potentially one on the market that he could get where they allow him to do that.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also "Give John Dorsey more say on player personnel” is the WORST approach they could take. It would be worse than just giving Howie full autonomy. All that does is set up yet another fall guy for bad drafts and signings. 

Dorsey wouldn’t be my choice, but he’s in the building so I’ll use him as a hypothetical example.

Howie gets moved back to EVP; unfortunately that would mean he’s still in charge of the money side of player’s contract, salary cap, etc.

Dorsey takes the Chip role as far as GM goes.  Final say over drafts, trades, FA acquisition .... all of the "roster building” aspects aside from money.

Dorsey/Lurie fires Doug and the coaching staff.  Troublesome scenario, since I don’t think Dorsey has any experience interviewing or hiring coaching staffs.  Most likely move if there is a coaching change would be a young, offensive minded head coach, paired with an older, experienced DC.  Think McVay/Wade Phillips with the Rams.

There’s the offseason plan as I see it — not what I want, but sort of what I expect at this point.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Dorsey wouldn’t be my choice, but he’s in the building so I’ll use him as a hypothetical example.

Howie gets moved back to EVP; unfortunately that would mean he’s still in charge of the money side of player’s contract, salary cap, etc.

Dorsey takes the Chip role as far as GM goes.  Final say over drafts, trades, FA acquisition .... all of the "roster building” aspects aside from money.

Dorsey/Lurie fires Doug and the coaching staff.  Troublesome scenario, since I don’t think Dorsey has any experience interviewing or hiring coaching staffs.  Most likely move if there is a coaching change would be a young, offensive minded head coach, paired with an older, experienced DC.  Think McVay/Wade Phillips with the Rams.

There’s the offseason plan as I see it — not what I want, but sort of what I expect at this point.

I'm not a huge fan of Dorsey, but if they want to bring him on then he needs to be the GM. They need a clear defined role of who does what, who has final say, who takes the heat and who takes the praise. What you suggest is what they need to do. What I think they will do though is just muddy the water, and eventually use Dorsey to take the heat and Roseman keeps on cooking.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not a huge fan of Dorsey, but if they want to bring him on then he needs to be the GM. They need a clear defined role of who does what, who has final say, who takes the heat and who takes the praise. What you suggest is what they need to do. What I think they will do though is just muddy the water, and eventually use Dorsey to take the heat and Roseman keeps on cooking.

Yep, this is what I meant last night when I said I have no faith in the Eagles if something like this is the scenario.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Dorsey wouldn’t be my choice, but he’s in the building so I’ll use him as a hypothetical example.

Howie gets moved back to EVP; unfortunately that would mean he’s still in charge of the money side of player’s contract, salary cap, etc.

Dorsey takes the Chip role as far as GM goes.  Final say over drafts, trades, FA acquisition .... all of the "roster building” aspects aside from money.

Dorsey/Lurie fires Doug and the coaching staff.  Troublesome scenario, since I don’t think Dorsey has any experience interviewing or hiring coaching staffs.  Most likely move if there is a coaching change would be a young, offensive minded head coach, paired with an older, experienced DC.  Think McVay/Wade Phillips with the Rams.

There’s the offseason plan as I see it — not what I want, but sort of what I expect at this point.

I said this yesterday and I'll say it again...I think Lurie likes Doug the Head Coach but dislikes Doug the Offensive Coordinator. I predict that Duce will replace Doug under the condition that he operates as a Dungy-type Head Coach. Have a dedicated OC and DC to handle their respective sides of the ball. I'd bet that Lurie thinks Duce shares the same qualities that make Doug a good head coach. I'm not saying that I like this, but it seems to me to be the most likely scenario

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not a huge fan of Dorsey, but if they want to bring him on then he needs to be the GM. They need a clear defined role of who does what, who has final say, who takes the heat and who takes the praise. What you suggest is what they need to do. What I think they will do though is just muddy the water, and eventually use Dorsey to take the heat and Roseman keeps on cooking.

If Lurie was actually thinking for the long term he would tear it down to the pins after this season.  I don’t see a really good OC coming in here just to have Doug set the game plan and call the plays on game day.  It was troubling to me that the Eagles interviewed Graham Harrell for the OC job last season.  He was a 35 year-old guy with minimal experience and would only have been here to be an intern for Doug.  It was even more troubling that Harrell turned down the job to stay at USC; it would be very interesting to know what he saw in the interview process to make him say "No, thanks”.  Why would a 35 year-old coach turn down an opportunity to be an NFL OC?

Lurie has had Howie by his side since 2000.  Until he sees the dysfunction that goes on in Howie’s environment for what it is, I think the future looks not-so-bright.

10 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I said this yesterday and I'll say it again...I think Lurie likes Doug the Head Coach but dislikes Doug the Offensive Coordinator. I predict that Duce will replace Doug under the condition that he operates as a Dungy-type Head Coach. Have a dedicated OC and DC to handle their respective sides of the ball. I'd bet that Lurie thinks Duce shares the same qualities that make Doug a good head coach. I'm not saying that I like this, but it seems to me to be the most likely scenario

Troubling — because I believe as long as Doug is here, Wentz is wasted.  I don’t believe Hurts is a long term answer at QB, so the path forward has to be to get Wentz back to being a good starting QB.  I’m also really skeptical of Duce as an OC; it’ll just be more of the same because he likely wouldn’t push back against Doug’s fatal flaw — let’s pass the ball 40 times every game.

I agree with you that Lurie no doubt likes Doug, but .....

 

Howie isn’t going anywhere, never was even if we lost em all.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Howie isn’t going anywhere, never was even if we lost em all.

Holy crap Ben just crushed a three 

9. WR DeVonta Smith, Alabama
36. CB Shaun Wade, Ohio State
37. DE Patrick Jones, Pitt
133. S Paris Ford, Pitt
139. RB Kylin Hill, Miss St
164. DT Tommy Togiai, Ohio State
196. CB Josh Jobe, Alabama

Traded 6 overall and our 3rd rd pick for 9 overall and 36. I'd love this draft. The Jets took Sewell in this simulation. 🥴
 

30 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Howie isn’t going anywhere, never was even if we lost em all.

This is what some fans don't understand.  Although Lurie is likely frustrated, he's not a rabid fan who is going to gut the entire team, the entire coaching staff and the entire F.O. 3 seasons after winning a Super Bowl with the same staff.  And since then, making the playoffs for 2 consecutive seasons.  Contrary popular belief, Lurie (most likely) likes and respects both Howie and Doug...this is nothing like the situation with Chip Kelly.

From an owner's perspective, this is the first season fans have turned on Doug and Howie....combine that with everything that is going on with Covid, the myriad of injuries and the fact that 2020 was the first "true" Howie/Doug draft, he will most likely give them at least one more season, imo. 

 

That’s brutal for the packers