One sentiment I keep hearing on the national sports talk shows is the assertion that Wentz will be so difficult to trade because of his contract.

1.  Nobody is trading for Wentz unless they feel he can return to top 10 QB form

2.  Assuming he does return to form, a $34M average cap hit is the going rate for new QB contracts; 9 NFL QBs will be a $30M cap hit or more, Rothliesberger and Ryan are more than $40M for 2021.  Considering the price to franchise tag a QB (such as discussed with Trubisky) is about $36M, Wentz’s cap hits of $36.4M, $31.2M, $36.2M, and $32M wouldn’t be an obstacle at all for me.

Patriots currently have lots of cap space for 2021, and they’re currently sitting with the #14 pick without the draft capital to move up.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

One sentiment I keep hearing on the national sports talk shows is the assertion that Wentz will be so difficult to trade because of his contract.

1.  Nobody is trading for Wentz unless they feel he can return to top 10 QB form

2.  Assuming he does return to form, a $34M average cap hit is the going rate for new QB contracts; 9 NFL QBs will be a $30M cap hit or more, Rothliesberger and Ryan are more than $40M for 2021.  Considering the price to franchise tag a QB (such as discussed with Trubisky) is about $36M, Wentz’s cap hits of $36.4M, $31.2M, $36.2M, and $32M wouldn’t be an obstacle at all for me.

Patriots currently have lots of cap space for 2021, and they’re currently sitting with the #14 pick without the draft capital to move up.

Dont matter, we are keeping him and will return to his successful level of play:) 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Me personally, I hate the screen and think in the NFL level its been figured out by defenses. Its rare to see a screen go for a good gain anymore in the NFL. Defensive lineman sniff out the screens to HBs now with how the oline react. DBs have a great reaction time to WR screens. Yes there have been a few success stories but its rare. the days of the early 2000's and the screen confusing teams is over.

So that stat to me is not a big difference between the two on screen plays. If Im an OC, yes ill throw in the screen once in a blue moon but its not going to be added in much at all. 

I only included that second tweet because it shows Chase earned his crazy stat line the traditional WR way. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

One sentiment I keep hearing on the national sports talk shows is the assertion that Wentz will be so difficult to trade because of his contract.

1.  Nobody is trading for Wentz unless they feel he can return to top 10 QB form

2.  Assuming he does return to form, a $34M average cap hit is the going rate for new QB contracts; 9 NFL QBs will be a $30M cap hit or more, Rothliesberger and Ryan are more than $40M for 2021.  Considering the price to franchise tag a QB (such as discussed with Trubisky) is about $36M, Wentz’s cap hits of $36.4M, $31.2M, $36.2M, and $32M wouldn’t be an obstacle at all for me.

Patriots currently have lots of cap space for 2021, and they’re currently sitting with the #14 pick without the draft capital to move up.

He’s absolutely movable in a trade. The questions are 1. Do the Eagles want to accept the dead cap hit and 2. what is acceptable draft compensation for Wentz?

First block to fall

Howie gave him such terrible CBs and LBs he hates the sport and wants to retire 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

First block to fall

Thank god. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

First block to fall

I'm fine with this to be honest. I know he didn't always have the best talent to work with but I'd like to a new approach on defense going forward.

Just now, Blazehound said:

He’s absolutely movable in a trade. The questions are 1. Do the Eagles want to accept the dead cap hit and 2. what is acceptable draft compensation for Wentz?

IMO you always have to trade from a position of strength.  The Eagles have 2 QB that NFL observers think can be starters; there are quite a few teams with zero who are QB needy.

Howie shouldn’t even be calling anyone.  Wait for the phone to ring — teams pay for QBs.  I wouldn’t listen to any offer for Hurts less than a 2nd and 3rd (or future pick).  For Wentz I wouldn’t listen to anything less than a 1st, 3rd, and future pick.

 

I think you can do a lot worse than Schwartz as DC, so Eagles need to be careful here. Do not promote from within. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think you can do a lot worse than Schwartz as DC, so Eagles need to be careful here. Do not promote from within. 

Very true.  People need to remember the sad days after Jim Johnson.  McDermott’s defense was awful, Todd Bowles defense was awful, Billy Davis defense was middling at best.  There are a lot of bad choices out there.

My hopes are someone like Kris Richard or Lovie Smith.  Even Marvin Lewis as a DC would be interesting.

I haven’t looked over all potential DCs but DeMeco Ryans is a name to watch

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Patriots currently have lots of cap space for 2021, and they’re currently sitting with the #14 pick without the draft capital to move up.

What's the value of going from the Eagles second round pick (high 30s-low 40s) to #14? Wentz and the 2nd for #14 and 2022 conditional? 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

IMO you always have to trade from a position of strength.  The Eagles have 2 QB that NFL observers think can be starters; there are quite a few teams with zero who are QB needy.

Howie shouldn’t even be calling anyone.  Wait for the phone to ring — teams pay for QBs.  I wouldn’t listen to any offer for Hurts less than a 2nd and 3rd (or future pick).  For Wentz I wouldn’t listen to anything less than a 1st, 3rd, and future pick.

 

what are you smoking to think that for wentz

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I haven’t looked over all potential DCs but DeMeco Ryans is a name to watch

I really liked Ryans as a player with the Eagles.

I know his career was basically done after his Achilles injury; I wonder if he stayed on good terms with the organization after his release.

Yay 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think you can do a lot worse than Schwartz as DC, so Eagles need to be careful here. Do not promote from within. 

I think I want to read between the lines....this decision may be very telling of the dysfunction at the top..if he is making this decision on his own. I would be more comfortable knowing he was being shown the door with the Eagles having a plan in place for his replacement. I also hope he is not being scapegoated and tossed under the bus as the only major change.

If this is true, my best guess is there is no plan in place yet without the harder decisions, Howie and Doug still out there. The Eagles FO does not look like it has any control right now over future coaching decisions. There is nothing worse walking into an offseason trying to pick up coaching pieces on the fly...plus such a decision and dysfunction may make the job less attractive for future coaches...

Going to miss Schwartz. Upside for his defense was definitely capped, but he's average at worst and great at best.

2 minutes ago, Sturm said:

what are you smoking to think that for wentz

Why would you trade him for less?

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

First block to fall

The one NFL sent says he wants to retire.

Doesnt matter either way, we knew he wont be back otherwise the FO would have signed him already. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I really liked Ryans as a player with the Eagles.

I know his career was basically done after his Achilles injury; I wonder if he stayed on good terms with the organization after his release.

He was cut right before/as Doug was brought in so he doesn’t have many ties to the current organization besides Howie/Lurie. I’m pretty sure they are on good terms though. Chip actually liked him and gave him high praise when he was here.

Why would u trade wentz and a 2nd for the 14th pick

I'd ask for the 14th straight up for him and keep our 2nd

 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think you can do a lot worse than Schwartz as DC, so Eagles need to be careful here. Do not promote from within. 

Jim has been in his career a 12-18 avg ranking DC. Hes had a few better, few worse. So yes we can do worse, but we could do better as well. We will find out soon enough

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

What's the value of going from the Eagles second round pick (high 30s-low 40s) to #14? Wentz and the 2nd for #14 and 2022 conditional? 

I think Belichick would be fleecing the Eagles with that deal.  Essentially he’d be getting Wentz for the price of trading back from #14 to #38.  Their 2022 would have to be their 1st round pick.

6 minutes ago, Michaels maniacs said:

Why would u trade wentz and a 2nd for the 14th pick

I'd ask for the 14th straight up for him and keep our 2nd

 

Yeah Wentz coming off his worst year ever is going to fetch a 14th pick.  Good one!