2 minutes ago, Michaels maniacs said:

Why would u trade wentz and a 2nd for the 14th pick

I'd ask for the 14th straight up for him and keep our 2nd

 

Hes a Wentz hater, he would take a bag of peanuts for him thats why. 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Yeah Wentz coming off his worse year ever is going to fetch a 14th pick.  Good one!

If you’re trading for him you believe he’s an NFL starting QB for the next 10-12 years.

We’re not talking mid round picks here.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Belichick would be fleecing the Eagles with that deal.  Essentially he’d be getting Wentz for the price of trading back from #14 to #38.  Their 2022 would have to be their 1st round pick.

IIRC, the value of going from #38 to #14 would essentially be 1st round value. Not sure you could do much better.

Re-tread DC’s potentially out there.

Lovie Smith - maybe. It would be funny brining him in with these terrible LB’s. 

Wade Phillips - we have worse personnel to switch to a 3-4 than we did in 2013. No thanks .

John Fox - meh. Give me someone younger.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

IIRC, the value of going from #38 to #14 would essentially be 1st round value. Not sure you could do much better.

I still believe the proper course of action this offseason is to focus on repairing your franchise QB, and moving Hurts.  You cannot go into training camp next season with two guys who believe they will/should be the starting QB.  I can’t remember a single instance in NFL history where that has worked out.

 

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Hes a Wentz hater, he would take a bag of peanuts for him thats why. 

 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you’re trading for him you believe he’s an NFL starting QB for the next 10-12 years.

We’re not talking mid round picks here.

You also need to take into account his salary and whether or not Wentz agrees to restructure either here (before the trade) or with the new team

It's not nearly as simple as Wentz' trade value.  It's Wentz' trade value + his contract.

 

I know personnel isn’t great but this should be an attractive job for any DC out there, depending what they do with the other coaching jobs. You basically become almost co-head coach if Doug is brought back. 

Eagles aren't trading Wentz unless someone offers a top 20 1st rd pick, his upside is far greater than a 2nd rd pick, and then you're stuck with an unknown in Hurts, and a gamble with any college QB you draft (the majority of 1st rd QBs fail). Unless of course Pederson returns, in which case you have to trade Wentz for his sake, b/c Pederson doesn't know how to run a conventional NFL offense (Reich was a pocket QB).

Time to move on from Schwartz. And don't bring in a retread like the Cowboys did with Nolan. Bring in a young 4-3 DC who likes to blitz and play a more aggressive scheme, then load up with young fast players in the back seven and let them learn.

Accept it's time to rebuild, that's Lurie's call. But if you have to clear cap room, then do so in a big way, amass draft picks and let the kids play for two years.

I'd take Surtain over any WR, top CBs are hard to find, mediocre ones easy (that is, good big or go later), while lots of top WRs are drafted in round 2-4.

Though in today's NFL, I'm thinking a top FS might be more valuable than any CB, b/c it's harder to avoid the FS than it is to work around a top CB given multiple WR formations.

 

12 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Fields was definitely the big winner in tonight’s game. I can’t imagine the Jets passing on him. 

I can. If they believe in Darnold they take the LT

Just now, Ace Nova said:

 

 

You also need to take into account his salary and whether or not Wentz agrees to restructure either here (before the trade) or with the new team

It's not nearly as simple as Wentz' trade value.  It's Wentz' trade value + his contract.

 

There are 9 NFL QB making more than $30M next season against the cap.  The cost to apply a franchise tag to a QB next season is more than $36M, and going up.

Wentz’s contract is no obstacle at all.

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Very true.  People need to remember the sad days after Jim Johnson.  McDermott’s defense was awful, Todd Bowles defense was awful, Billy Davis defense was middling at best.  There are a lot of bad choices out there.

My hopes are someone like Kris Richard or Lovie Smith.  Even Marvin Lewis as a DC would be interesting.

Rex Ryan?

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I still believe the proper course of action this offseason is to focus on repairing your franchise QB, and moving Hurts.  You cannot go into training camp next season with two guys who believe they will/should be the starting QB.  I can’t remember a single instance in NFL history where that has worked out.

SF and GB for years, Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Rex Ryan?

He has too strong a personality to be content as a DC.  Also been a long time since he ran a defense.

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Rex Ryan?

🤢

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Rex Ryan?

god no

maybe the Dline coach from the Bills

Just now, Alphagrand said:

There are 9 NFL QB making more than $30M next season against the cap.  The cost to apply a franchise tag to a QB next season is more than $36M, and going up.

Wentz’s contract is no obstacle at all.

Normally I would say it wasn't but the fact that he has played at a very mediocre/bad level this year:

A.  Takes him out of the running for several teams (Less competition in the trade market diminishes his trade value).

B.  Would likely diminish his trade value from a 1st round value (likely had he played well and/or if his contract was less) to a mid to late 2nd round value, imo.

 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I still believe the proper course of action this offseason is to focus on repairing your franchise QB, and moving Hurts.  You cannot go into training camp next season with two guys who believe they will/should be the starting QB.  I can’t remember a single instance in NFL history where that has worked out.

I disagree with trading Hurts. He's almost 6 years younger than Wentz and will be paying for relative pennies in 2022.

But your overall point that they shouldn't be here together? I'm with you 100%.

Jim Schwartz's best unit was 2016. His second best unit was 2017. His 3rd best unit was 2018. You see where we're going with this.

Thanks Jim for the Lombardi, but it was time.

3 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Rex Ryan?

Im one of the rare ones that would welcome him. I know it has been a long time since he has been in the game but I think he has been one of the best DCs in this era. Some are better at being a DC/OC then HC. He is one of them. Would like to see that type of toughness added back in. 

Do I think he is even on the list? No I dont think he is and I doubt he will be a candidate. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He has too strong a personality to be content as a DC.  Also been a long time since he ran a defense.

People are throwing out old names just figured throw his as well. I agree about personality but he would bring much needed toughness. I’d go different direction myself. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

SF and GB for years, Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers.

Montana and Favre were the starters, and neither were benched for performance and needed to go into training camp and retake the position.  Rodgers had to wait 3 years to be the starter

Marvin Lewis seemed to always bring in great assistants in Cincinnati and repeatedly showed he could handle all sorts of personalities.

If Doug goes and Lurie can't bring in a Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley type, I would be absolutely fine with Marvin Lewis. Obviously not the sexiest hire, but in my opinion a great contingency plan.

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yay 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Montana and Favre were the starters, and neither were benched for performance and needed to go into training camp and retake the position.  Rodgers had to wait 3 years to be the starter

Both groups couldn’t stand each other either. 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Marvin Lewis seemed to always bring in great assistants in Cincinnati and repeatedly showed he could handle all sorts of personalities.

If Doug goes and Lurie can't bring in a Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley type, I would be absolutely fine with Marvin Lewis. Obviously not the sexiest hire, but in my opinion a great contingency plan.

He didn’t win a single playoff game in like 14 years. That would be an unacceptable hire IMO.

You can’t hire someone whose claim to fame is playoff failure. As a defensive coordinator, sure.