4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I don’t follow that thought process at all 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Thanks for the Super Bowl, Schwartz. 

You mean thanks for making it entertaining.

In all seriousness, the defense and Brandon Graham made the biggest play of the game, arguably.  The defense did get gashed especially by Brady but they showed up vs Atlanta and Minnesota.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s letting his contract expire so he was never going to get fired, just not retained. Doesn’t seem like a fall guy move. 

It could be a smart move, too, if he didn't agree with Howie's approach to things. It allows him to get out without burning bridges.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t follow that thought process at all 

I don’t either...

15 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I don't know if I quite agree with that. I think he wants LBs and talent, but at this stage of his career he probably didn't want drama with Howie. So, he probably just accepted it. I guess you could make the argument that his accepting it is part of the problem. But, ultimately, Howie has control. Schwartz's system is built for a team that has talent in the front 7 and at least a decent CB.  The problem is our LBs are weak and CB has been a problem spanning several DCs now. So, that is on Howie.

If Schwartz  wanted a real # 2 CB, howie would have gotten it for him. He was enamored with a Maddox. That's on him.  If he wanted real linebackers, Howie would have gotten at least one. Schwartz is terrible at recognizing talent and need. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

If Hurts plays well under these circumstances, he's the guy.

Hurts will be running for his life.  

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

You mean thanks for making it entertaining.

In all seriousness, the defense and Brandon Graham made the biggest play of the game, arguably.  The defense did get gashed especially by Brady but they showed up vs Atlanta and Minnesota.

Yup. We don’t win the SB without a great defensive performance vs Atlanta, and the defense changed the game vs Minnesota with Barnett’s strip sack and Robinson’s pick six. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

If Schwartz  wanted a real # 2 CB, howie would have gotten it for him. He was enamored with a Maddox. That's on him.  If he wanted real linebackers, Howie would have gotten at least one. Schwartz is terrible at recognizing talent and need. 

How can you say Howie would've got it for him?  Howie drafts based on what Howie wants.  I doubt most of the coaches wanted Hurts in the 2nd round when they could've used a player that could come in and compete for a starting job with that pick.

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

If Schwartz  wanted a real # 2 CB, howie would have gotten it for him. He was enamored with a Maddox. That's on him.  If he wanted real linebackers, Howie would have gotten at least one. Schwartz is terrible at recognizing talent and need. 

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. People are giving Schwartz more credit or discredit than he deserves with personnel. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t follow that thought process at all 

I’m guessing his assertion is that Schwartz would have been interested in HC if Doug were fired, and the only way Doug would be okay with losing out would be an assurance it won’t affect his job security?

The flaw in this is that Doug coached out of desperation all season by playing Jeffery, Peters, and DJax.  He’d have gone with younger guys if he felt more secure.  
 

It’s also possible that Howie/Lurie have given Schwartz and Doug the heads up that the organization is planning to go with a completely different coaching direction next season.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think recency bias is coming into play and people forget how dominant Chase was 

Not for me.  I remember that Chase will be a full year removed from football and by the time the season starts, nearly 2 full years.  This is a weird time, weird circumstances.   But, for me, his team played, so he likely should have and shown his wares.  In the meantime, he didn't, and Smith did.  As a result, Smith might have moved past him.   Is there a guarantee that Chase will come back to where he was when he left the game?  How far might he regress?   These are not questions I like to have circulating around a top 5 selection.   

Personally, I'd rather not draft either of them at that first pick.   With a trade down, that changes things.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. We don’t win the SB without a great defensive performance vs Atlanta, and the defense changed the game vs Minnesota with Barnett’s strip sack and Robinson’s pick six. 

I also point out they wouldn’t have won the Raiders game to get home-field advantage without the defense playing as well as it did. Also could make the case after wentz left the Rams game in LA the defense came up with some huge plays in that game to win that game to help the offense and foles 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. People are giving Schwartz more credit or discredit than he deserves with personnel. 

That's my belief after hearing different reports over the years. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I also point out they wouldn’t have won the Raiders game to get home-field advantage without the defense playing as well as it did. Also could make the case after wentz left the Rams game in LA the defense came up with some huge plays in that game to win that game to help the offense and foles 

Top five defense that year. I’m glad some people can recognize the job he did beyond giving up 33 points in LII. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

What I dont understand and maybe someone can explain to me, is how are they 30th in money allocating to defense?  Dont they have a lot of money tied into Cox, Hargrave, Graham, Slay and McLeod?  Maybe Malik Jackson too...not sure what he makes.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie gave him such terrible CBs and LBs he hates the sport and wants to retire 

I wonder how much was Howie, how much was Schwartz and how much was just a disconnect between them.

 

No matter really, get rid of everyone!

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

We would value OLB greatly if we went to a 3-4. 

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

These 2 things say it all. Schwartz did a lot with such little investment on defense. 
 

1) Eagles have been 31st and 29th in defensive spending last 2 years

2) Eagles have used only 3 out of the last 11(top 100 picks) on defense. 
 

Yet we’re keeping Doug and letting Schwartz walk SMH. 

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I am cautiously pessimistic about losing Schwartz.  He was infuriating at certain times, but overall, he's the perfect example of "Be careful what you wish for."  While there are better defensive minds and coordinators out there, I don't think there are many, but I do know there are plenty that are much much worse.  He would have been my last choice on my list of coaches or front office people to be fired.  

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

That's my belief after hearing different reports over the years. 

I believe he has a lot of say, but not to the extent that he is HC and GM of the D. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wonder how much was Howie, how much was Schwartz and how much was just a disconnect between them.

 

No matter really, get rid of everyone!

I wouldn't be surprised if Howie's decision to get Hurts in the 2nd round over getting defensive talent there could've affected Schwartz's decision with this. The decision to draft a backup QB in the 2nd round when you had your franchise QB in place and when there were holes at LB and DB couldn't have gone over well with defensive coaches.

Any talk of the Eagles not having enough picks on defense or cap spending is absurd. 

In 2020, Slay's cap hit is 4.3M. Hargrave's is 3.45M. That's because they're backloaded contracts. Using cap spending to say that Schwartz did a good job with limited resources is crazy.

Keep in mind that the team use 2017 2nd, 3rd, 2018 3rd, 4th on CBs (Jones, Douglas, Darby, Maddox). Again, legitimate resources. We have the most expensive DL in the NFL. We paid Bradham. For a time, we had a top 5 most expensive safety combo in the NFl. We traded a 2020 3rd/5th for Slay.

Jim Schwartz was average/slightly above-average. Any notion that he was excellent is misguided 

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

My wife

Now I see your issue with Deborah! 

Just now, RLC said:

Any talk of the Eagles not having enough picks on defense or cap spending is absurd. 

In 2020, Slay's cap hit is 4.3M. Hargrave's is 3.45M. That's because they're backloaded contracts. Using cap spending to say that Schwartz did a good job with limited resources is crazy.

Keep in mind that the team use 2017 2nd, 3rd, 2018 3rd, 4th on CBs (Jones, Douglas, Darby, Maddox). Again, legitimate resources. We have the most expensive DL in the NFL. We paid Bradham. For a time, we had a top 5 most expensive safety combo in the NFl. We traded a 2020 3rd/5th for Slay.

Jim Schwartz was average/slightly above-average. Any notion that he was excellent is misguided 

Oh yeah 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks. So much investment. 
 

Tell me again how you want to draft another WR at 6 overall after taking one in the first last year and in the 2nd the year before. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not for me.  I remember that Chase will be a full year removed from football and by the time the season starts, nearly 2 full years.  This is a weird time, weird circumstances.   But, for me, his team played, so he likely should have and shown his wares.  In the meantime, he didn't, and Smith did.  As a result, Smith might have moved past him.   Is there a guarantee that Chase will come back to where he was when he left the game?  How far might he regress?   These are not questions I like to have circulating around a top 5 selection.   

Just my opinion, but I think this, and weighing opting out vs playing, is overthinking it. Chase is going to show up to the combine. He’ll either show he has kept up with himself and will be in tremendous shape or let himself go somewhat. He’ll go through all the drills that will mostly answer all the questions.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Any talk of the Eagles not having enough picks on defense or cap spending is absurd. 

In 2020, Slay's cap hit is 4.3M. Hargrave's is 3.45M. That's because they're backloaded contracts. Using cap spending to say that Schwartz did a good job with limited resources is crazy.

Keep in mind that the team use 2017 2nd, 3rd, 2018 3rd, 4th on CBs (Jones, Douglas, Darby, Maddox). Again, legitimate resources. We have the most expensive DL in the NFL. We paid Bradham. For a time, we had a top 5 most expensive safety combo in the NFl. We traded a 2020 3rd/5th for Slay.

Jim Schwartz was average/slightly above-average. Any notion that he was excellent is misguided 

He was excellent in 2016 and 2017. He was mostly excellent in the playoffs too. 

He certainly was better than slightly above average in his time here.