3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think we are going to get some really juicy dirt coming soon about the organizational structure once they clean house. 

I'd settle for a Schwartz tell all as soon as Tuesday.  

Great

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Gross

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Big-picture, agreed. There was a noticeable decline after the SB run..and it wasn't just personnel. 

Without Schwartz, the possibility of Saleh is HC is now on the table.

 By on the table you mean 1% chance, maybe. With the Hurts Wentz situation I don’t see how they go defensive at HC. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Spending 15M/3rd/5th on Slay IS a big investment. 
Giving Hargrave 3Y/39M IS a big investment.

Our biggest moves of the 2020 off-season were on the defensive side of the ball. Hell, most of the blog wanted to pass on Hargrave and/or Slay to get veteran WR help.

You could also claim Michael Bennett was their big time move after winning the super bowl.

i’m guessing their thought process with the defense was it’s more valuable to spend higher round draft picks on offense in a offensive driven league. Where they believe they could find pieces on defense via free agency, trade and middle round picks to build a good enough defense. I mentioned this a couple years back with don. we had the discussion that over the next decade you’re likely going to see a transition from a lot of teams in the NFL that begin to take high caliber offensive talent over defensive talent early even if the defensive player might be rated slightly hire due to how the league was going. This convo was back on 2015. Now they’re some variables like draft class prospects amongst others. I don’t have numbers from 2010-2015 to compare 2016-2020 but Id bet there’s likely an increase in offensive talent taken in the first two rounds over the last 5 years compared to 2010-2015

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Eagles are behind the curve, even in their own division.

WFT are making strides and improving with Rivera and Del Rio.  Giants are making strides and improving with Joe Judge.  Cowboys still suck, fortunately.

I can’t imagine what worthwhile OC will want to come and work for Doug and Howie.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not judging him on the Combine.   I want to judge him on a football field.   I can't do that.   Chase had one stud season.  That's it.  Lots of one year wonders have busted in the NFL.  Would be nice to have seen him do it again, or at least close to it.   We saw nothing.

That worries me a little too with Chase not playing all year.  

Cant really blame him.  Burrow left and their QBs havent been good at LSU this year.  He probably saw that and figured if he played his production would go down and his draft stock.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I hope this means Howie is gone. 

Lurie is still  basking in the glow from 2017.

Unless "staff" means FO staff, then yeah, let's just fire a bunch of assistants again. What a joke, man.

I swear to Fing god, on Monday if we hear "he's back because he won a SB in 2017" I'm gonna lose it.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wonder how much was Howie, how much was Schwartz and how much was just a disconnect between them.

 

No matter really, get rid of everyone!

Doug and Howie isn’t going anywhere. Like I said a few weeks ago we will get new coordinators and rinse wash repeat. 

Bringing back both Doug/Howie is easily the worst scenario. Both are going to be fighting for their jobs. They're going to continue to make short-term decisions (play vets over kids, trade future picks, push back cap space).

At least if Howie hired a new coach, he could have blown up 2021 for a 2022 run. With Doug/Howie, that's not happening. 

This is depressing.

More significant staff changes!
 

AKA firing Dave Fipp.

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I believe he has a lot of say, but not to the extent that he is HC and GM of the D. 

I don't think 100% but I think he had a very strong influence. 

Having Pederson won’t be such a bad thing IF he gives up play calling and hires a capable OC. 

7 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm not sure how other people feel but you can find good players in the 3rd and 4th round.

With the way the league is going, offense is just more important. That's why QB, WR and O-line are usually the top picks.  Only positions you would use a 1st on would be DL, mostly edge rusher and CB.

The WR taken in the 2nd the year before is a bust.  That's why they need another one.  If JJAW actually played and played well then we wouldn't need another WR.  That's on Howie.  Jury is still out on Reagor.  

Yeah let’s blame Schwartz for not being able to be successful with 5th round picks. Meanwhile for poor Doug who can’t develop a WR to save his life, none of it is his fault, they’re all busts, let’s just keep drafting them higher and higher. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

This puts tremendous pressure on Doug to turn things around in 2021.

If he has another season like this one then he's gone, no doubt about it.  

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Great

It’s really not that surprising considering how Lurie handled the Reid situation in 2011 and 2012. Felt like it would always be one year later than it would be one year too early. My belief was the only way Doug was likely to be gone at the end of the year as if he left on his own accord because they took away playcalling from him, he figured he could go somewhere else get a HC and continue to be the play caller. I am curious to see who they get to become in here on the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. I can’t imagine an offensive coordinator of any clout wants to come here if he’s not able to call plays.

I am still of the belief that i was at the end of 2019 season at least one of Carson, Doug or howie is not going to be there at the end of 2021. At this point if I’m guessing it’s likely going to be Carson or Doug. I’m interested to see which direction the eagles go at QB as Doug believes he’s the guy to fix Carson or if that is just a front the eagles are putting on this. 

Doug back at HC

Will be forced to hire an official OC

 Press Taylor is gone

Gym Shorts gone

Howie will be forced to hire a draft guy

 

That is what I said will be done a while ago and that is what looks like will be gone still unsure on Press Taylor and I hope to the OC isn't Duce we need an outside voice.  And I still think Wentz and Hurts both can't be back. 

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Having Pederson won’t be such a bad thing IF he gives up play calling and hires a capable OC. 

Not sure you are getting a capable OC unless doug decides to give up play calling. If i were a up and coming coach gaining clout I’m not going somewhere where i am not going to get the opportunity to call plays. 

15 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That worries me a little too with Chase not playing all year.  

Cant really blame him.  Burrow left and their QBs havent been good at LSU this year.  He probably saw that and figured if he played his production would go down and his draft stock.

Boo hoo. Competitors want to play.  Guys worried about things like this are too much into the business side of things.   I've been critical of players who opt out of bowl games fearing injury, it's a bad sign to the rest of your teammates that you are above the fray and more important than they are.  Granted, it makes 100% logical sense from a business standpoint.   But, from a competitive standpoint it's highly questionable.   Now, sitting out the whole season... even with Covid looming in the backdrop... calls things into question.   His team was out playing and he wasn't.  When does he decide to put the business side ahead of the game side in the NFL?  Year before free agency?  Last 3 games of the season?  As soon as the season is lost and playoffs are out?  Whenever he feels that the playoffs are out?   Nah, give me a guy like Kelce 100 times out of 100 who is hurt, but fights through it even though the team is terrible.   And there's no way that I am going to spend a top 5 or even top 10 pick on a guy that puts himself ahead of the team like that.  Those guys usually end up hurting the team as they make business decisions in NFL games at some point too.

 

And before anyone says it... yes, he's within his rights to do that.  However, there are consequences to decisions that are made, and one of them might be to forego being a lock as a top 5 pick.   Maybe he slides 10 spots and loses some money, because he was too scared to play and risk losing more draft position.   This isn't an indictment of the person, but it does make you question the competitor... and certainly makes (at least me) one question how much you want to invest without seeing more.    This is where the pre-draft process comes in and he needs to explain why he sat out. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure you are getting a capable OC unless doug decides to give up play calling. If i were a up and coming coach gaining clout I’m not going somewhere where i am not going to get the opportunity to call plays. 

At this point I’m expecting their grand answer is promote Press to OC and bring in a new QB coach. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Bringing back both Doug/Howie is easily the worst scenario. Both are going to be fighting for their jobs. They're going to continue to make short-term decisions (play vets over kids, trade future picks, push back cap space).

At least if Howie hired a new coach, he could have blown up 2021 for a 2022 run. With Doug/Howie, that's not happening. 

This is depressing.

Yup.

This is so ridiculous. So Rapsheet says they're gonna make him have significant staff changes. Press Taylor is his guy. They won't get a better OC unless Lurie forces him to give up play calling.

If they're just going to keep stripping him of responsibilities, then why are they keeping him at all?

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

At this point I’m expecting their grand answer is promote Press to OC and bring in a new QB coach. 

If Press Taylor is still on the staff, what are we doing?

 

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s letting his contract expire so he was never going to get fired, just not retained. Doesn’t seem like a fall guy move. 

That's what many (most) here don't seem to grasp.